Hoss Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Indefinite suspension for Wideman pending post All Star hearing.
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Indefinite suspension for Wideman pending post All Star hearing. Welp. Just like the NHL to miss the point here, or just turn a blind eye to it.
WildCard Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Welp. Just like the NHL to miss the point here, or just turn a blind eye to it. huh? :huh:
bcsaberks Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Quick does two posts on that cite, titled 'Elite Snipers'. He talks about dangerous possession vs possession, and what makes the best snipers the best http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/ Nice, thanks. I said it in the Romance of Hockey thread too, but I hope Scott goes and has fun. And I hope he retires and goes and puts that engineering degree to use. He's only 33. Someone would hire him. Yeah seems like it will be his last game in NHL. Black list for sure after this. Cube at GM! Frankly, I haven't read a dud on there yet. I'm surprised I haven't found their complete list and read them all. There's a Shawn Merriman one about the ProBowl that popped up today and it's good too (might be a year or two old though). I was like "this is great writing...really?" Nope. I'm fine with it.
darksabre Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Welp. Just like the NHL to miss the point here, or just turn a blind eye to it. Maybe they're concussed too?
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 huh? :huh: I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue. I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history. Maybe they're concussed too? I should not be surprised when they bungle things.
Trettioåtta Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue. I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history. I should not be surprised when they bungle things. Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too. Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute...
tom webster Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too. Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute... If he was penalized during the game for contact with an official, the suspension pending a hearing is automatic.
Iron Crotch Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Most of the people making judgments about Wideman didn't see the game and have no idea of the context of what went on. The Flames were frustrated by the way the game was playing out and all the non-calls. And, that same linesman had just made a "too many men" call on the Flames. Perhaps Wideman was dazed but he didn't receive medical attention or miss a shift. He skated right at the linesman and trashed him from behind then went to the bench without apologizing or trying to help him up or trying to bear hug the linesman to minimize impact or anything else that might suggest an accident. He was on the ice for his very next shift. A player is responsible for his own actions. If every guy who takes a hard hit has free reign to assault a linesman from behind then we'd see this sort of thing all the time. Yet, tens of thousands of players have taken similarly hard hits and managed not to assault someone from behind on their way to the bench. The league has to protect its officials. They have to. 10 games minimum.
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too. Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute... Agreed on there needing to be something done. Also agreed on giving the Flames medical staff a hard look. My take is that no one's talking concussion because that would be a recognition that the issue and protocol were ignored during the game. I'm not suggesting that he had a mood swing rage episode because of that concussion -- those generally come later (years and decades later, even). I'm saying he was disoriented and confused -- like if you held up three fingers, he'd have said "nine." As for his refusal to claim head trauma, I am not surprised. He denied it on the bench, and, maybe while still concussed, denied it after the game. If he was penalized during the game for contact with an official, the suspension pending a hearing is automatic. I don't think he was, though. Most of the people making judgments about Wideman didn't see the game and have no idea of the context of what went on. The Flames were frustrated by the way the game was playing out and all the non-calls. And, that same linesman had just made a "too many men" call on the Flames. Perhaps Wideman was dazed but he didn't receive medical attention or miss a shift. He skated right at the linesman and trashed him from behind then went to the bench without apologizing or trying to help him up or trying to bear hug the linesman to minimize impact or anything else that might suggest an accident. He was on the ice for his very next shift. A player is responsible for his own actions. If every guy who takes a hard hit has free reign to assault a linesman from behind then we'd see this sort of thing all the time. Yet, tens of thousands of players have taken similarly hard hits and managed not to assault someone from behind on their way to the bench. The league has to protect its officials. They have to. 10 games minimum. Good insight. This is all fair.
Randall Flagg Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857 TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P (I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC) Edited January 28, 2016 by Randall Flagg
TrueBlueGED Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857 TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P (I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC) Wow that list is bad. Crawford at 19, Panarin at 25? Quick as the 4th best goaltender? Awful stuff.
MattPie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue. I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history. I should not be surprised when they bungle things. Agreed on there needing to be something done. Also agreed on giving the Flames medical staff a hard look. My take is that no one's talking concussion because that would be a recognition that the issue and protocol were ignored during the game. I'm not suggesting that he had a mood swing rage episode because of that concussion -- those generally come later (years and decades later, even). I'm saying he was disoriented and confused -- like if you held up three fingers, he'd have said "nine." As for his refusal to claim head trauma, I am not surprised. He denied it on the bench, and, maybe while still concussed, denied it after the game. I don't think he was, though. Good insight. This is all fair. He's and the Flames are in a pickle. He either needs to say, I was fine and I hit the linesman. Or, I was concussed and didn't know. The former he's in a world of hurt. The latter he and the Flames are in a world of hurt for ignoring the concussion.
Trettioåtta Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Favourite comment on this incident so far: "Thank god it didn't cause a concussion circle. Wideman gets concussed and attacks a linesman, linesman gets concussed and attacks another player, that player gets concussed and attacks someone else... In under a year, everyone on the planet is a concussion zombie."
Taro T Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too. Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute... IF he was concussed, I feel bad for him because getting a concussion sucks & then, from all accounts, the Calgary training & coaching staffs ignored it, which is even worse. But there is no way that he didn't cross check an official from behind & that HAS to carry repercussions. The officials have to know that the league puts a premium on their safety & there is zero tolerance (d*mn, can't stand that term) for player abuse of officials. The second these guys believe a player might come after him, their objectivity is gone. And, for those wondering why would he hit a linesman rather than a ref (other than 'because he was there'), maybe it had to do w/ the too many men penalty called a few minutes prior?
Iron Crotch Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857 TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P (I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC) The Deutchland Dangler, Leon Draisaitl is in there. :D
Thorner Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Wow that list is bad. Crawford at 19, Panarin at 25? Quick as the 4th best goaltender? Awful stuff. Agreed, not a great list. Nice to see ROR get some love though, ranked 34th in the league.
Weave Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec 2h2 hours ago .@RyanNPike Wideman will have union representation, so will Henderson, and of course NHL will fully staff. This isn't your everyday hearing
WildCard Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857 TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P (I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC) I'll thank True and others for pointing out the innacuracy that list :lol:
Neo Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Time for my semi-monthly screw Jack Edwards post... https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/jack-edwards-rips-chris-stewart-s-iq--ducks-forward-hits-back--video-055721046.html This from the guy who had to change his pants after Lucic steamrolled Miller. Of all the pricks who ever pricked, Edwards is just about the biggest prick. Nothing in this post has anything to do with the fact that I'm in the middle of my second week on night shift and am three beers into the morning. Nope... Root canal, colonoscopy, Edwards .... In that order. "Hey, Jack, ever call out Zdeno for going after someone smaller?"
K-9 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Root canal, colonoscopy, Edwards .... In that order. "Hey, Jack, ever call out Zdeno for going after someone smaller?" Thank-you! GO SABRES!!!
Doohicksie Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Now I totally understand why we do this. But at first, I’m so confused. In the NHL, the space is so tight that you can’t think you’re special. If my teammates play 60 hard minutes, do the right things, and then I turn the puck over at the blue line and we lose, I got 22 big guys in the locker room very angry with me. Not good. This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned. He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win. Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special.
BagBoy Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Favourite comment on this incident so far: "Thank god it didn't cause a concussion circle. Wideman gets concussed and attacks a linesman, linesman gets concussed and attacks another player, that player gets concussed and attacks someone else... In under a year, everyone on the planet is a concussion zombie." So THAT'S how the zombie apocalypse starts! I have been wondering about that!
qwksndmonster Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned. He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win. Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special. I you're overstating this a bit. Jack is definitely still not being quite as physical as he could be, but he's still playing smart hockey. He hasn't completely dumbed his game down to the NHL level quite yet. He also hasn't really been playing with anybody that's even close to his level of hockey smarts except Reinhart for a few short bursts.
WildCard Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned. He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win. Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special. I you're overstating this a bit. Jack is definitely still not being quite as physical as he could be, but he's still playing smart hockey. He hasn't completely dumbed his game down to the NHL level quite yet. He also hasn't really been playing with anybody that's even close to his level of hockey smarts except Reinhart for a few short bursts. Gotta agree with qwk here. Seriously though, bigger rinks???
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