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Quick does two posts on that cite, titled 'Elite Snipers'. He talks about dangerous possession vs possession, and what makes the best snipers the best

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/

 

Nice, thanks.

 

I said it in the Romance of Hockey thread too, but I hope Scott goes and has fun. And I hope he retires and goes and puts that engineering degree to use. He's only 33. Someone would hire him. 

 

Yeah seems like it will be his last game in NHL.  Black list for sure after this.  Cube at GM!  

 

Frankly, I haven't read a dud on there yet. I'm surprised I haven't found their complete list and read them all. There's a Shawn Merriman one about the ProBowl that popped up today and it's good too (might be a year or two old though).

 

I was like "this is great writing...really?"  Nope.  I'm fine with it.  

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huh?  :huh:

 

I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue.

 

I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history.

 

Maybe they're concussed too?

 

I should not be surprised when they bungle things.

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I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue.

 

I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history.

 

 

I should not be surprised when they bungle things.

 

Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too.

 

Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute...

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Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too.

 

Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute...

If he was penalized during the game for contact with an official, the suspension pending a hearing is automatic.

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Most of the people making judgments about Wideman didn't see the game and have no idea of the context of what went on. The Flames were frustrated by the way the game was playing out and all the non-calls. And, that same linesman had just made a "too many men" call on the Flames. Perhaps Wideman was dazed but he didn't receive medical attention or miss a shift. He skated right at the linesman and trashed him from behind then went to the bench without apologizing or trying to help him up or trying to bear hug the linesman to minimize impact or anything else that might suggest an accident. He was on the ice for his very next shift.

 

A player is responsible for his own actions. If every guy who takes a hard hit has free reign to assault a linesman from behind then we'd see this sort of thing all the time. Yet, tens of thousands of players have taken similarly hard hits and managed not to assault someone from behind on their way to the bench. The league has to protect its officials. They have to. 10 games minimum.

 

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Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too.

 

Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute...

 

Agreed on there needing to be something done. Also agreed on giving the Flames medical staff a hard look. 

 

My take is that no one's talking concussion because that would be a recognition that the issue and protocol were ignored during the game.

 

I'm not suggesting that he had a mood swing rage episode because of that concussion -- those generally come later (years and decades later, even). I'm saying he was disoriented and confused -- like if you held up three fingers, he'd have said "nine."

 

As for his refusal to claim head trauma, I am not surprised. He denied it on the bench, and, maybe while still concussed, denied it after the game. 

 

If he was penalized during the game for contact with an official, the suspension pending a hearing is automatic.

 

I don't think he was, though.

Most of the people making judgments about Wideman didn't see the game and have no idea of the context of what went on. The Flames were frustrated by the way the game was playing out and all the non-calls. And, that same linesman had just made a "too many men" call on the Flames. Perhaps Wideman was dazed but he didn't receive medical attention or miss a shift. He skated right at the linesman and trashed him from behind then went to the bench without apologizing or trying to help him up or trying to bear hug the linesman to minimize impact or anything else that might suggest an accident. He was on the ice for his very next shift.

 

A player is responsible for his own actions. If every guy who takes a hard hit has free reign to assault a linesman from behind then we'd see this sort of thing all the time. Yet, tens of thousands of players have taken similarly hard hits and managed not to assault someone from behind on their way to the bench. The league has to protect its officials. They have to. 10 games minimum.

 

Good insight. This is all fair.

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http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857

 

TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P

 

(I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC)

Edited by Randall Flagg
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http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857

 

TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P

 

(I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC)

 

Wow that list is bad. Crawford at 19, Panarin at 25? Quick as the 4th best goaltender? Awful stuff.

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I'm just grousing. My take was that Wideman was in la-la land from the hit he took and should not have been disciplined for hitting an official, and that the league was hur-dur treating this as an attack on an official when it's really a concussion issue.

 

I think there's some merit to Eleven's suggestion that it may be appropriate to discipline him for a hit from behind. Not sure if he'd have gotten anything for that, given the incident and his history.

 

 

I should not be surprised when they bungle things.

 

 

Agreed on there needing to be something done. Also agreed on giving the Flames medical staff a hard look. 

 

My take is that no one's talking concussion because that would be a recognition that the issue and protocol were ignored during the game.

 

I'm not suggesting that he had a mood swing rage episode because of that concussion -- those generally come later (years and decades later, even). I'm saying he was disoriented and confused -- like if you held up three fingers, he'd have said "nine."

 

As for his refusal to claim head trauma, I am not surprised. He denied it on the bench, and, maybe while still concussed, denied it after the game. 

 

 

I don't think he was, though.

 

Good insight. This is all fair.

 

He's and the Flames are in a pickle. He either needs to say, I was fine and I hit the linesman. Or, I was concussed and didn't know. The former he's in a world of hurt. The latter he and the Flames are in a world of hurt for ignoring the concussion.

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Favourite comment on this incident so far:

 

"Thank god it didn't cause a concussion circle. Wideman gets concussed and attacks a linesman, linesman gets concussed and attacks another player, that player gets concussed and attacks someone else... In under a year, everyone on the planet is a concussion zombie."

Posted

Concussion issue or not, he still injured a linesman and that has to be dealt with. The Flames medical department should also be reviewed if he was concussed. As there has been no mention of him being injured from anyone official, I don't see why everyone is attributing it to concussion so easily. I hope he gets 20 games personally. If he was feeling so far in la-la land he needs to tell the medical department, because if his concussion is bad enough that he rages out so quickly then there are probably some pretty awful headaches and vomiting too.

 

Finally he doesn't even try and defend himself saying head trauma made him act out. His defense was he didn't see the ref until the last minute...

IF he was concussed, I feel bad for him because getting a concussion sucks & then, from all accounts, the Calgary training & coaching staffs ignored it, which is even worse.

 

But there is no way that he didn't cross check an official from behind & that HAS to carry repercussions. The officials have to know that the league puts a premium on their safety & there is zero tolerance (d*mn, can't stand that term) for player abuse of officials. The second these guys believe a player might come after him, their objectivity is gone.

 

And, for those wondering why would he hit a linesman rather than a ref (other than 'because he was there'), maybe it had to do w/ the too many men penalty called a few minutes prior?

Posted

http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857

 

TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P

 

(I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC)

 

The Deutchland Dangler, Leon Draisaitl is in there. :D

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Wow that list is bad. Crawford at 19, Panarin at 25? Quick as the 4th best goaltender? Awful stuff.

 

Agreed, not a great list. Nice to see ROR get some love though, ranked 34th in the league.

Posted

http://www.tsn.ca/usual-suspects-slip-in-top-50-players-list-1.429857

 

TSN mid-season top 50 players list. Toews sits at 16 despite being the 2nd-lowest-scoring forward on the list (to Tavares.) He just has good intangibles, including the ability to efficiently kill time so Kane can rest and then get back on the ice :P

 

(I'm just messing around, don't get mad Hoss or WC)

I'll thank True and others for pointing out the innacuracy that list :lol:
Posted

Time for my semi-monthly screw Jack Edwards post...

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/jack-edwards-rips-chris-stewart-s-iq--ducks-forward-hits-back--video-055721046.html

This from the guy who had to change his pants after Lucic steamrolled Miller. Of all the pricks who ever pricked, Edwards is just about the biggest prick. Nothing in this post has anything to do with the fact that I'm in the middle of my second week on night shift and am three beers into the morning. Nope...

Root canal, colonoscopy, Edwards .... In that order. "Hey, Jack, ever call out Zdeno for going after someone smaller?"

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Root canal, colonoscopy, Edwards .... In that order. "Hey, Jack, ever call out Zdeno for going after someone smaller?"

Thank-you!

 

GO SABRES!!!

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Now I totally understand why we do this. But at first, I’m so confused. In the NHL, the space is so tight that you can’t think you’re special. If my teammates play 60 hard minutes, do the right things, and then I turn the puck over at the blue line and we lose, I got 22 big guys in the locker room very angry with me. Not good.

 

This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned.  He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win.  Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special.

Posted

Favourite comment on this incident so far:

 

"Thank god it didn't cause a concussion circle. Wideman gets concussed and attacks a linesman, linesman gets concussed and attacks another player, that player gets concussed and attacks someone else... In under a year, everyone on the planet is a concussion zombie."

So THAT'S how the zombie apocalypse starts! I have been wondering about that!
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This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned.  He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win.  Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special.

I you're overstating this a bit.  Jack is definitely still not being quite as physical as he could be, but he's still playing smart hockey.  He hasn't completely dumbed his game down to the NHL level quite yet. He also hasn't really been playing with anybody that's even close to his level of hockey smarts except Reinhart for a few short bursts.

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This is precisely what Jack hasn't learned.  He still thinks he's special, as in immune to what you have to do to win.  Once he starts playing the NHL game, he truly will be special.

I you're overstating this a bit.  Jack is definitely still not being quite as physical as he could be, but he's still playing smart hockey.  He hasn't completely dumbed his game down to the NHL level quite yet. He also hasn't really been playing with anybody that's even close to his level of hockey smarts except Reinhart for a few short bursts.

Gotta agree with qwk here.

 

Seriously though, bigger rinks???

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