shrader Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I agreed with the first bolded pieces, but just don't follow to the second one. To me, the issue here is that there was no good faith effort to assess Wideman for a concussion. They're getting a ton of national coverage for this. They're going to have to send the message that the refs are protected. Hell, I don't want to know how the refs react if Wideman walks. All I know is that I can't wait for the suspension video just to hear them talk about whether or not linesman A returned from injury.
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 They're getting a ton of national coverage for this. They're going to have to send the message that the refs are protected. Hell, I don't want to know how the refs react if Wideman walks. All I know is that I can't wait for the suspension video just to hear them talk about whether or not linesman A returned from injury. I see your point. The irony here, to me, is that the code of silence that still pervades head injuries is going to cause Wideman to take that suspension. If he were being honest about what was going on, the contact might more readily be excused.
LTS Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 This hit is hopefully the act needed to cause a serious discussion to occur. Concussion symptoms are not always physically apparent right away. It can take hours before a noticeable change occurs. That said, he clearly was hit hard enough to be in discomfort of some kind and when a player reaches for his head he should be removed from the ice as a precaution. Perhaps the NHL should go so far as to allow a healthy scratch to enter the lineup in place of a player who sustains a suspected concussion. In this case the hit occurs right at the Nashville bench. I could picture Wideman not being about his senses and thinking it was a Nashville player going off for a change and that he might as well get a shot in on the guy as Wideman exits the ice. I don't think he knew it was a ref. If he did and his mind was clear he would know that carries an automatic 20 game ban. His post-game explanation was a joke and that doesn't help but right now if it comes out that he has a concussion then nothing he says should be taken too seriously. Marty Biron talked about it pretty well on WGR this morning. The absolute shame is that he was not removed from the game. Frankly, the head coach should be suspended a minimum of 5 games for failing to remove a player. Fine the medical staff, I don't care. There has to be some accountability given. Either way.. this has a chance to get a lot uglier.
Weave Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I see your point. The irony here, to me, is that the code of silence that still pervades head injuries is going to cause Wideman to take that suspension. If he were being honest about what was going on, the contact might more readily be excused. 10+ games might be longer than his break for the concussion if it were actually diagnosed. Might be better for him in the long run. This hit is hopefully the act needed to cause a serious discussion to occur. Concussion symptoms are not always physically apparent right away. It can take hours before a noticeable change occurs. That said, he clearly was hit hard enough to be in discomfort of some kind and when a player reaches for his head he should be removed from the ice as a precaution. Perhaps the NHL should go so far as to allow a healthy scratch to enter the lineup in place of a player who sustains a suspected concussion. In this case the hit occurs right at the Nashville bench. I could picture Wideman not being about his senses and thinking it was a Nashville player going off for a change and that he might as well get a shot in on the guy as Wideman exits the ice. I don't think he knew it was a ref. If he did and his mind was clear he would know that carries an automatic 20 game ban. His post-game explanation was a joke and that doesn't help but right now if it comes out that he has a concussion then nothing he says should be taken too seriously. Marty Biron talked about it pretty well on WGR this morning. The absolute shame is that he was not removed from the game. Frankly, the head coach should be suspended a minimum of 5 games for failing to remove a player. Fine the medical staff, I don't care. There has to be some accountability given. Either way.. this has a chance to get a lot uglier. I agree with just about all of this except I don;t expect this incident to result in any further discussion about head injuries. It amazes me that the union these guys belong to isn't interested enough in improving the quality of life of these guys to demand changes to how head hits are managed. Great union for getting these guys paid, lousy for everything else.
Eleven Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So here's my thought on Wideman: Even if he thought the linesman was a Nashville player, he was still taking a run at someone from behind. Give him 10. I'd like to see what the new Lucic noise is all about.
Weave Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So here's my thought on Wideman: Even if he thought the linesman was a Nashville player, he was still taking a run at someone from behind. Give him 10. I'd like to see what the new Lucic noise is all about. Scrum, Looch got a gloved punch/shove in his face, he returned with a right cross, hit the linesman instead of the guy he was trying to get at.
Eleven Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Scrum, Looch got a gloved punch/shove in his face, he returned with a right cross, hit the linesman instead of the guy he was trying to get at. So not a sucker punch, then?
Weave Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So not a sucker punch, then? Not like the last one, no. It was a gloved punch in a scrum. Player was facing him at the time.
Doohicksie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Linus Omark with the hot stick. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-it-linus-omark-uses-flaming-stick-at-khl-skills-competition/ So much better than the glow puck :P
Weave Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Eleven, you follow harrington, right? He retweeted a gif posted by NHLonNBC that shows the "sucker punch".
Eleven Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Eleven, you follow harrington, right? He retweeted a gif posted by NHLonNBC that shows the "sucker punch". Saw it now. Doesn't look like a sucker punch to me. Edited January 28, 2016 by Eleven
K-9 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 If the Wideman incident is attributable to head trauma, then the entire Flames' training and medical staff was derelict in their duties since they saw fit to allow him not to miss a single shift afterwards. Ridiculous. GO SABRES!!!
Weave Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Ref that Wideman hit was in the hospital with concussion symptoms until 5am today.
WildCard Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Ref that Wideman hit was in the hospital with concussion symptoms until 5am today. Probably clocked some doctor on his way out on mistake
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Ref that Wideman hit was in the hospital with concussion symptoms until 5am today. Christ. Why didn't he get pulled?
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So much better than the glow puck :P Shhhhhh, don't give them any ideas.
MattPie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) John Scott on the All-Star game (cross posted with the romance of hockey thread, since I think it belongs in both). It's a great read and shows to a degree what the NHL was up to: http://theplayerstribune.com/a-guy-like-me/ Edited January 28, 2016 by MattPie
LTS Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 John Scott on the All-Star game (cross posted with the romance of hockey thread, since I think it belongs in both). It's a great read and shows to a degree what the NHL was up to: http://theplayerstribune.com/a-guy-like-me/ Just read it.. came over here to share and you had it up. I cannot recommend an article more. That is some Grade A material right there.
That Aud Smell Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So when someone from the NHL calls me and says, “Do you think this is something your kids would be proud of?” … That’s when they lost me. That was it, right there. That was the moment. Because, while I may not deserve to be an NHL All-Star, I know I deserve to be the judge of what my kids will — and won’t — be proud of me for. Good for you, big boy. Oh, and NHL? God. I just can't . . . . Yeah. It got dusty over here when he started talking about his kids.
MattPie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So when someone from the NHL calls me and says, “Do you think this is something your kids would be proud of?” … That’s when they lost me. That was it, right there. That was the moment. Because, while I may not deserve to be an NHL All-Star, I know I deserve to be the judge of what my kids will — and won’t — be proud of me for. Good for you, big boy. Oh, and NHL? God. I just can't . . . . Yeah. It got dusty over here when he started talking about his kids. Funny, dusty here too.
bcsaberks Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 John Scott on the All-Star game (cross posted with the romance of hockey thread, since I think it belongs in both). It's a great read and shows to a degree what the NHL was up to: http://theplayerstribune.com/a-guy-like-me/ Great read. Wonder who the dummy is at HQ "your kids...". Wtf. And that's 2/2 (kuznetsov) from this players tribune. Sold.
WildCard Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Great read. Wonder who the dummy is at HQ "your kids...". Wtf. And that's 2/2 (kuznetsov) from this players tribune. Sold. His article makes me happier that he's in the ASG. That dude lives and dies by hockey Practice is much different in Russia. We skate, skate, skate. As a kid, that was the focus of the coaches — to make sure you were skating the proper way. No hitting, no dump in corner. Practice was about playing hockey — scrimmage, one-on-one, lots of skills. This is the Russian style. When I come to America, guys ask, “Is it like Red Army? You skating with weights and stuff?” No, that’s different time. For kids my age, it’s skill, skill, skill. In my team in KHL, if you dump the puck, coach might put you on bench and you never go out and play hockey again. It’s true. If a guy skates in and shoots from blue line without passing, it’s like he doesn’t have respect. That’s how we play in Russia. If you’re a forward and you dump it, like maybe once they say, “Hey, hey, come on. What you doing?” Next time you do it, that’s it. You must be crazy. My first 10 games in NHL, I don’t understand why guys keep dumping puck. I’m looking at coach like, Is he going to say something? And he’s like, happy about it. Even Ovi. I see him dump it. I’m looking at him like, What?! But we keep winning. So I’m like, Ok, well, I guess it’s working. Now I totally understand why we do this. But at first, I’m so confused. In the NHL, the space is so tight that you can’t think you’re special. If my teammates play 60 hard minutes, do the right things, and then I turn the puck over at the blue line and we lose, I got 22 big guys in the locker room very angry with me. Not good. Sooooo....bigger rinks? Anyone? Edited January 28, 2016 by WildCard
WildCard Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Quick does two posts on that cite, titled 'Elite Snipers'. He talks about dangerous possession vs possession, and what makes the best snipers the best http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/
MattPie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Great read. Wonder who the dummy is at HQ "your kids...". Wtf. And that's 2/2 (kuznetsov) from this players tribune. Sold. Frankly, I haven't read a dud on there yet. I'm surprised I haven't found their complete list and read them all. There's a Shawn Merriman one about the ProBowl that popped up today and it's good too (might be a year or two old though).
darksabre Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 Great read. Wonder who the dummy is at HQ "your kids...". Wtf. And that's 2/2 (kuznetsov) from this players tribune. Sold. I said it in the Romance of Hockey thread too, but I hope Scott goes and has fun. And I hope he retires and goes and puts that engineering degree to use. He's only 33. Someone would hire him.
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