Around the NHL: 2015-2016

[WildCard]

I bet Matthews could get 25 points next season and still be a Calder finalist.

Really though. McDavid and Panarin should not both be considered for this over Jack. One can apply for Social Security and watches Murder She Wrote, the other spent nearly half the season in the press box from an injury. I don't care it wasn't his fault, availability is the best ability. 

[LGR4GM]

Meh, it's not an award that really matters. Jack had exactly the season he was supposed to and that's not a "good story", So he doesn't get nominated. Panarin is winning anyway so let's get ready for next season. I bet Eichel outdoes Matthews and drops a 75pt season while Matthews only hits 45pts. Toronto media will tell you how his rookie season was better though.

[Stoner]

I bet Matthews could get 25 points next season and still be a Calder finalist.

I think it's great our board Spock is down here at the muddy trough of ignorance and irrationality with the rest of us.

It's cute, how much you love your little Flyer.

Eleven and TPegs: closet Philly fans.

[Taro T]

Jack Eichel is not a Calder finalist 

@JoeYerdon  2m2 minutes ago

 

Panarin, McDavid, and are the Calder Trophy finalists. Jack Eichel will just have to relax on having an awesome season. #Sabres

 

Any word on whether Eichel was 4 or 5? He should've finished 4, but w/ the lovefest for Larkin that there seemed to be, could've seen him finishing 4 ahead of our boy.

 

Agree w/ the concensus: Ghostberry deserves to win but Panarin will win.

[TrueBlueGED]

I think it's great our board Spock is down here at the muddy trough of ignorance and irrationality with the rest of us.

Eleven and TPegs: closet Philly fans.

 

It's just that not having Eichel as a finalist is complete and utter nonsense. And to not even discuss him, as the Canadian media is wont to do, is totally indefensible. Top-2 in every major category, all while having garbage linemates for most of the year. He played over 200 even strength minutes with Matt Moulson! He was 51st in the entire league in individual primary points percentage among players with over 500 minutes. Gostisbehere? 342nd. McDavid? 70th. Panarin? 138th.

 

Just garbage.

Edited May 3, 2016 by TrueBlueGED

[Randall Flagg]

Good. Jack will react to this in the best way possible.

Canada can ignore our Stanley Cup parade too when we blast through some of their teams to win it.

[bunomatic]

It's just that not having Eichel as a finalist is complete and utter nonsense. And to not even discuss him, as the Canadian media is wont to do, is totally indefensible. Top-2 in every major category, all while having garbage linemates for most of the year. He played over 200 even strength minutes with Matt Moulson! He was 51st in the entire league in individual primary points percentage among players with over 500 minutes. Gostisbehere? 342nd. McDavid? 70th. Panarin? 138th.

 

Just garbage.

nice post and I agree.

[Brawndo]

Next year's three finalists Matthews, Willie Nylander and Marner.

[LGR4GM]

When Jack scores the gwg against Canada in a world tourney, well that will be vengeance enough.

[TrueBlueGED]

When Jack scores the gwg against Canada in a world tourney, well that will be vengeance enough.

 

...on a pass from Matthews, who proceeds to get all the credit for making it happen.

 

Sorry, had to :lol:

[JJFIVEOH]

Oilers with McDavid: .822 points/game

Oilers without McDavid: .892 points/game

 

McDavid didn't even make a difference for his team when he did play. I could see if the Oilers won a ton of games with McDavid in the lineup, but they didn't. 

[LGR4GM]

...on a pass from Matthews, who proceeds to get all the credit for making it happen.

 

Sorry, had to :lol:

Eh, Canada still loses. We appreciate Eichel and as long as we do, it's all okay.

[Randall Flagg]

Next year's three finalists Matthews, Willie Nylander and Marner.

It's funny because leafs hfboards has been all over this since they won the lottery. Dead convinced it will happen. Would probably get banned for suggesting otherwise.

[TrueBlueGED]

Eh, Canada still loses. We appreciate Eichel and as long as we do, it's all okay.

 

How often do I get mad? LET ME BE MAD DAMMIT! :angry:

[LGR4GM]

How often do I get mad? LET ME BE MAD DAMMIT! :angry:

Screw the media and their bs. Eichel was the best true rookie by far and those nob gobblers were too busy bowing to the alter of Connor McCollarBitchBone to even notice.

 

 

;)

Edited May 3, 2016 by LGR4GM

[Wyldnwoody44]

I'm sorry, If you miss half the season you're Calder chances are gone, too bad so sad..... And I think if you're over 20/21 then you're out too.

 

It should be eichel, ghost, Larkin.

[3putt]

What was the stat I heard that measures offense generated per toi? Wasn't Jack in the top ten in the league?

Edited May 3, 2016 by 3putt

[dudacek]

It's just that not having Eichel as a finalist is complete and utter nonsense. And to not even discuss him, as the Canadian media is wont to do, is totally indefensible. Top-2 in every major category, all while having garbage linemates for most of the year. He played over 200 even strength minutes with Matt Moulson! He was 51st in the entire league in individual primary points percentage among players with over 500 minutes. Gostisbehere? 342nd. McDavid? 70th. Panarin? 138th.

 

Just garbage.

But #fancystats says most players played better away from Jack.

His WOWYs are pathetic ????

Edited May 3, 2016 by dudacek

[TrueBlueGED]

But #fancystats says most players played better away from Jack.

His WOWYs are pathetic

 

After the 'Nucks steal Juolevi from us, I'm going to travel to Vancouver for two things. 1) To challenge you to a duel by slapping you with a glove, and 2) To kidnap Juolevi.

[Randall Flagg]

After the 'Nucks steal Juolevi from us, I'm going to travel to Vancouver for two things. 1) To challenge you to a duel by slapping you with a glove, and 2) To kidnap Juolevi.

I am curious though, can you, if you have time, supplement his WOWY comments with explanations? Jack looked elite with the puck to me, and pretty bad without, but not terrible-advanced-stat player overall. Why did his WOWY charts look so bad, and is it something to worry about long term?

[TrueBlueGED]

I am curious though, can you, if you have time, supplement his WOWY comments with explanations? Jack looked elite with the puck to me, and pretty bad without, but not terrible-advanced-stat player overall. Why did his WOWY charts look so bad, and is it something to worry about long term?

 

Any real legwork will have to wait until after I'm done grading, but my off the cuff explanation (see: without looking at any stats) is that it says more about how awesome it is to play with O'Reilly than anything negative about Eichel, with secondary issues being chemistry. Kane and Reinhart are his two most common linemates, but they were both mostly with O'Reilly when not with Eichel. I also still think Kane and Eichel mesh like oil and water. The you have somebody like Moulson who goes from facing top-6 competition where he is woefully overmatched, to other 4th liners...makes sense he'd look better there.

 

I think it'd also be worth looking at this stuff with midseason splits--my expectation would be Eichel's WOWYs look considerably better for the second half of the year than the first half. I'd also like to incorporate defensemen into the analysis. Eichel was so bad defensively that I'd expect the blue liners to have more of an impact on his stats than say, O'Reilly's. I seem to remember some feast or famine with him--dominant in the OZ and on the rush, but with a tendancy to get pinned in the DZ. 

 

And yea, I definitely think his play without the puck negatively impacted some of his stats. But I fully expect this to improve in year two.

[WildCard]

Also depends on which WOWY stats you look at. What is Jack expected to do his rookie season? Score goals. Not prevent them, and not to control possession; he'll get better with those at time. I'd expect his WOWY for GF% to be good

 

Curious on what the other Calder candidates are. I know Panarin'd is laughable, but McDavid I'm not sure about.

[Eleven]

It's cute, how much you love your little Flyer.

 

I will kill you where you stand if you ever phrase it that way again.

[LGR4GM]

Well that escalated quickly, I mean that really got out of hand...

I will kill you where you stand if you ever phrase it that way again.

[Taro T]

Any real legwork will have to wait until after I'm done grading, but my off the cuff explanation (see: without looking at any stats) is that it says more about how awesome it is to play with O'Reilly than anything negative about Eichel, with secondary issues being chemistry. Kane and Reinhart are his two most common linemates, but they were both mostly with O'Reilly when not with Eichel. I also still think Kane and Eichel mesh like oil and water. The you have somebody like Moulson who goes from facing top-6 competition where he is woefully overmatched, to other 4th liners...makes sense he'd look better there.

 

I think it'd also be worth looking at this stuff with midseason splits--my expectation would be Eichel's WOWYs look considerably better for the second half of the year than the first half. I'd also like to incorporate defensemen into the analysis. Eichel was so bad defensively that I'd expect the blue liners to have more of an impact on his stats than say, O'Reilly's. I seem to remember some feast or famine with him--dominant in the OZ and on the rush, but with a tendancy to get pinned in the DZ. 

 

And yea, I definitely think his play without the puck negatively impacted some of his stats. But I fully expect this to improve in year two.

Kane & Moulson would be 2 big reasons for that stat.

 

But he also had horrid puck luck early too. No assists in October only 4 in November (3 coming in 2 games) & only 1 in the 1st 1/2 of December. He could've had at least 2 assists in 2/3's of those games.

 

I'd be shocked if his #'s prior to Christmas break weren't significantly worse than post-Christmas. That break did him a world of good and actually saw some guys able to finish what he set up.