Trade ideas and speculation

[Radar]

Quite frankly the expectations of playoffs this year were a bit grandiose anyway. Impossible? Improbable? Yes. That goes no matter who the coach is, although I'm not a big fan of Bylsma.

[WildCard]

Quite frankly the expectations of playoffs this year were a bit grandiose anyway. Impossible? Improbable? Yes. That goes no matter who the coach is, although I'm not a big fan of Bylsma.

Babcock is going to make the playoffs with that roster. I'd bet anything he could have us in the playoffs

[Brawndo]

"Never say never, but it would take a lot... I don't want to make a habit of trading our top-four defense." GM Poile on @1025TheGame #Preds

[Radar]

Babcock is going to make the playoffs with that roster. I'd bet anything he could have us in the playoffs

I'm saying probability. I would not make that bet. We have glaring weaknesses beyond coaching still to fill. I also think you underestimate Toronto's talent more than I do.

[Huckleberry]

I'll trade my buddies for duchene. Ski vacation in austria. 2300 pm, alone at the bar having beers and tequila shots :D

[Weave]

 I also think you underestimate Toronto's talent more than I do.

 

I agree with this.  Yes, they have Babcock.  They also have a pretty good, young team.

 

They did it the right way.  We're still in recovery.

[WildCard]

For the love of god, trade for Ghost. I don't care what you have to do 

 

http://thehockeywriters.com/do-gostisbeheres-stats-warrant-benching/

[inkman]

For the love of god, trade for Ghost. I don't care what you have to do

 

http://thehockeywriters.com/do-gostisbeheres-stats-warrant-benching/

Just because the coach is sitting him, doesn't mean the GM is going to give him away.

[WildCard]

Just because the coach is sitting him, doesn't mean the GM is going to give him away.

True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal.

[pi2000]

True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal.

 

Ghost is the next Marc-Andre Gragnani.   He's an absolute mess defensively.    If you teach him to play D properly his offensive production (what little he's had this year) will decline, and he's small... no thank you.      You put him on this Sabres team and you're just asking for trouble.    

[LTS]

Understood but you said limp in to the playoffs....if they get in it, they won't limp in. They need to get hot. If they do then there is a chance to win in 1st round I know it's not probable

 

My mistake on the wording.

[WildCard]

Ghost is the next Marc-Andre Gragnani. He's an absolute mess defensively. If you teach him to play D properly his offensive production (what little he's had this year) will decline, and he's small... no thank you. You put him on this Sabres team and you're just asking for trouble.

He's the exact same size as Karlsson. His offensive ability is exactly what this team needs

[pi2000]

He's the exact same size as Karlsson. His offensive ability is exactly what this team needs

 

You think Bylsma will let him loose?    He only has 4 goals this season, and is a liability in his own end.   Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit.

[WildCard]

You think Bylsma will let him loose? He only has 4 goals this season, and is a liability in his own end. Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit.

So we can't trade for good players because our coach blows?

 

Since when is it a good idea to judge a defensmen based on his goals? He has 21 points despite being benched. His advanced stats are years better than those on his team, and he's young. Liability in his own end? He creates offense more than he's a liability, if he is indeed one. His stats say exactly that

 

Name one defensmen not named Risto that even comes close to Ghost

Edited February 8, 2017 by WildCard

[pi2000]

So we can't trade for good players because our coach blows?

 

Since when is it a good idea to judge a defensmen based on his goals? He has 21 points despite being benched. His advanced stats are years better than those on his team, and he's young. Liability in his own end? He creates offense more than he's a liability, if he is indeed one. His stats say exactly that

 

Name one defensmen not named Risto that even comes close to Ghost

 

Bogosian

 

Both in the minus teens this season with little offensive production to speak of.

 

You don't improve a team with a -20 goal differential by adding a defenseman who is a -19 in 48 games.     That's going in the wrong direction.

[dudacek]

True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal.

I would trade Kane for the right top three (not top 4) defence-man

Ghost is not that guy.

 

If we could get him for pennies on the dollar though, sign me up.

[WildCard]

Bogosian

 

Both in the minus teens this season with little offensive production to speak of.

 

You don't improve a team with a -20 goal differential by adding a defenseman who is a -19 in 48 games. That's going in the wrong direction.

Bogo, seriously? Goal differential isn't just the addition subtraction of +/-. Judging impact by that is absurd

 

And what is Bogosian production? I hardly believe his stats come close to Ghosts

I would trade Kane for the right top three (not top 4) defence-man

Ghost is not that guy.

 

If we could get him for pennies on the dollar though, sign me up.

That's the price these days. You're not getting a top 3 guy for Kane.

 

Though I firmly believe Ghost is a top pairing guy

[dudacek]

That's the price these days. You're not getting a top 3 guy for Kane.

Though I firmly believe Ghost is a top pairing guy

1) Which is why I don't think we should trade Kane because the hole it fills won't match the hole it creates

2) First pairing guy has to defend. And don't say Karlsson, because he has the puck and is moving it to the other end. Ghost isn't that guy. At best he's Tyson Barrie.

Edited February 8, 2017 by dudacek

[WildCard]

1) Which is why I don't think we should trade Kane because the hole it fills won't match the hole it creates

2) First pairing guy has to defend. And don't say Karlsson, because he has the puck and is moving it to the other end. Ghost isn't that guy. At best he's Tyson Barrie.

His stats say he's fine doing what he's doing. I hardly believe he's Franson in his own end. He's also a sophomore, he can correct defensive lapses

 

Bogo has more defensive struggles in his own end than anyone I can remember. Well Gorges too

[Brawndo]

Ghost is having a hard time adjusting to increased responsibility in his D Zone this season, a sophomore slump as Marty Biron put it. Plus Streit, Del Zotto and Schultz's Contracts are up after this season. He is not going anywhere.

[WildCard]

Ghost is having a hard time adjusting to increased responsibility in his D Zone this season, a sophomore slump as Marty Biron put it. Plus Streit, Del Zotto and Schultz's Contracts are up after this season. He is not going anywhere.

Quit killing my dreams Brawndo!

 

Fine, then give me Lazar

[TrueBlueGED]

Quit killing my dreams Brawndo!

 

Fine, then give me Lazar

Though I loved him as a prospect, as a pro, Lazar has shown the offensive acumen of Nic Deslauriers.

[WildCard]

Though I loved him as a prospect, as a pro, Lazar has shown the offensive acumen of Nic Deslauriers.

He's been stuck on the 4th line in a Larry role, right? Couldn't that be it?

[TrueBlueGED]

He's been stuck on the 4th line in a Larry role, right? Couldn't that be it?

Maybe, but I'm really not interested in giving up value to find out.

[dudacek]

Maybe, but I'm really not interested in giving up value to find out.

I would. I'd offer Minny's second. Was a big fan and he's only 21.

But goddamn does he suck right now.