Trade ideas and speculation

[Eleven]

What's important to know about this chart is that it doesn't tell you a thing about how the players perform. Every measure just tells you what kind of situations they get deployed in. The higher a bubble is, the tougher the players' deployments are in terms of who they're against. The guys at the top get the Crosby line, or the O'Reilly line, the guys at the bottom get the Cullen line, or the Cal O'Reilly line. 

 

The guys on the left start in the defensive zone more often, the guys on the right start in the offensive zone more often. The guys with bigger circles play more. The guys with blue circles have better teammates on the ice with them, the guys with red circles have worse players on their own team playing with them. 

This stuff needs to be taken into account when you look at trashy stats like +/-, because it shows why you can't use that stat to measure how well a player is playing. 

 

Thank you, because I thought the dark blue bubble was a star and all of the other bubbles were planets in orbit around it.

 

Ok, not really, but certainly I didn't know what it meant.  I like learning more about fancystats.

[TrueBlueGED]

Anyone who wants a terrific introductory primer on hockey stats should get this: https://www.amazon.com/Hockey-Abstract-Presents-Stat-Shot/dp/177041309X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475020993&sr=8-1&keywords=stat+shot

[Randall Flagg]

Anyone who wants a terrific introductory primer on hockey stats should get this: https://www.amazon.com/Hockey-Abstract-Presents-Stat-Shot/dp/177041309X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475020993&sr=8-1&keywords=stat+shot

Pretty sure I saw that get advertised on the site I used to give that chart. Now give your guess, True! 

[Eleven]

Anyone who wants a terrific introductory primer on hockey stats should get this: https://www.amazon.com/Hockey-Abstract-Presents-Stat-Shot/dp/177041309X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475020993&sr=8-1&keywords=stat+shot

 

Dude.  THIS IS THE TYPE OF BOOK I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR for like 2 years now!  Thank you.

 

I will have it in my hands by Friday, because Amazon Prime is the most amazing thing in existence (no, d4rk, I don't want to discuss my environmental footprint).

[LGR4GM]

can we that chart with the accompanying players now? I assume Risto is the dark colored circle near the top left

[Randall Flagg]

can we that chart with the accompanying players now? I assume Risto is the dark colored circle near the top left

Yeah, you got it.

 

 

I included Pysyk because we've always been told that he has great analytics, but warned that his sample size isn't very good. This shows he was indeed very sheltered and rarely played. 

[Eleven]

So does that mean that Rielly is better or worse than Ristolainen?  (Except for spelling his own name, which Rielly sucks at.)

[Randall Flagg]

So does that mean that Rielly is better or worse than Ristolainen?  (Except for spelling his own name, which Rielly sucks at.)

Neither. He plays against slightly tougher competition than Risto (Not sure exactly where that comes from - Dan likes Bogosian more than Babcock likes Gardiner?)

He also plays with better teammates than the ones Risto gets. He starts in the offensive zone ~4% more than Risto does.

 

We take this information and then look at their statistics and possession metrics, and use the two analyses hand-in-hand while also watching them in person a bunch to form our full comparison.

Also, feel free to correct me anyone if my take on this stuff is flawed, I haven't formally learned any of it. I just watch and read a lot and see what other posters like True do and try to draw my own conclusions about the way things work.

[Eleven]

Neither. He plays against slightly tougher competition than Risto (Not sure exactly where that comes from - Dan likes Bogosian more than Babcock likes Gardiner?)

He also plays with better teammates than the ones Risto gets. He starts in the offensive zone ~4% more than Risto does.

 

We take this information and then look at their statistics and possession metrics, and use the two analyses hand-in-hand while also watching them in person a bunch to form our full comparison.

Also, feel free to correct me anyone if my take on this stuff is flawed, I haven't formally learned any of it. I just watch and read a lot and see what other posters like True do and try to draw my own conclusions about the way things work.

 

Another sincere thank you.  And the point about Bogosian might have to do w/ experience?  Not sure.

 

Also, you failed to address Rielly's spelling porblem.

Edited September 28, 2016 by Eleven

[darksabre]

Dude. THIS IS THE TYPE OF BOOK I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR for like 2 years now! Thank you.

 

I will have it in my hands by Friday, because Amazon Prime is the most amazing thing in existence (no, d4rk, I don't want to discuss my environmental footprint).

Bruh, you ain't seen my library.

[Eleven]

Bruh, you ain't seen my library.

 

Try me; I actually have one.

 

I'm not kidding.

 

When I bought the house, there was this nice, ALSO uninsulated little room across from my bedroom--technically another bedroom itself since it has a closet, but picture Harry Potter's room under the stairs.  Including the sloped roof.  I put in custom shelving, an easy chair and a hassock, and a small TV (which is now meaningless since I cut the cord).  And my old stereo.

 

There probably are 3000 books in there.  There's a first-edition Faulkner, there's a Shorter OED, there's freaking EVERYTHING.  The books are organized by subject, except for fiction, which is organized by author.  (Except for the rack-sized stuff; that's on the shelves that only fit rack-sized stuff.  Cf. sloped roof; it goes down to about 3.5 feet at the far end.)

 

It is by far my favorite room in the house.

 

I am a nerd's nerd.

[darksabre]

Try me; I actually have one.

 

I'm not kidding.

 

When I bought the house, there was this nice, ALSO uninsulated little room across from my bedroom--technically another bedroom itself since it has a closet, but picture Harry Potter's room under the stairs. Including the sloped roof. I put in custom shelving, an easy chair and a hassock, and a small TV (which is now meaningless since I cut the cord). And my old stereo.

 

There probably are 3000 books in there. There's a first-edition Faulkner, there's a Shorter OED, there's freaking EVERYTHING. The books are organized by subject, except for fiction, which is organized by author. (Except for the rack-sized stuff; that's on the shelves that only fit rack-sized stuff. Cf. sloped roof; it goes down to about 3.5 feet at the far end.)

 

It is by far my favorite room in the house.

 

I am a nerd's nerd.

My goal is to have a room like that some day. We've already got a book collection that is too damn big. Not looking forward to moving in the spring.

[Eleven]

My goal is to have a room like that some day. We've already got a book collection that is too damn big. Not looking forward to moving in the spring.

 

Did it myself too many times.  The last time, I hired movers.  Overheard one say, "dammit, why is every heavy box 2B?"  (That's how I had labeled the room.)

 

I tipped him well.

 

And please do get a room like that someday.  It's so nice to just turn on the light, open a book, have a glass of water or whisky, and chill.

[darksabre]

Did it myself too many times. The last time, I hired movers. Overheard one say, "dammit, why is every heavy box 2B?" (That's how I had labeled the room.)

 

I tipped him well.

 

And please do get a room like that someday. It's so nice to just turn on the light, open a book, have a glass of water or whisky, and chill.

I tell Josie that my plan is that if we ever have kids, that they will never have any excuse to be bored so long as they haven't read every book in the room.

[Weave]

Did it myself too many times.  The last time, I hired movers.  Overheard one say, "dammit, why is every heavy box 2B?"  (That's how I had labeled the room.)

 

I tipped him well.

 

And please do get a room like that someday.  It's so nice to just turn on the light, open a book, have a glass of water or whisky, and chill.

 

I have an office.  It's not much of an office.  It's got a desk with an obsolete, unused desktop PC.  A bunch of sports and pop culture memorabilia on the wall.  And a comfortable chair.  And a bookcase.  Problem is, I can't read a book more than once.  Just can't pick them up again once I've read them.  they collect dust until I buy more and donate a few to make room.

[Eleven]

I have an office.  It's not much of an office.  It's got a desk with an obsolete, unused desktop PC.  A bunch of sports and pop culture memorabilia on the wall.  And a comfortable chair.  And a bookcase.  Problem is, I can't read a book more than once.  Just can't pick them up again once I've read them.  they collect dust until I buy more and donate a few to make room.

 

I re-read a lot.  Especially Faulkner but other stuff too.  

 

Nonfiction, I tend to re-read math stuff a lot.  And I'll want to look back at history/language/religion stuff.

 

Fiction, I really try to reread at least one Faulkner novel per year.  I read the Narnia series (childhood!) so often that I'm on my FOURTH set since my late aunt bought them for me when I was eight--and I'm about ready for a fifth.  Yeah, cheap glue.  I guess I should just buy a nice hardcover with all seven books in it.  I reread Cormack McCarthy quite a bit, too.  

[3putt]

I moved at the beginning of the month. Donated 17 moving boxes of books to SEVA. Eye doctors who do great work in less fortunate areas. They sell them to other used bookstores and take the rest to schools and the like in areas they serve. I still have 5 boxes I couldn't part with.

[WildCard]

http://public.tableau.com/shared/7MBY4GGBY?:display_count=yes

 

...check out those CF and possession numbers for Trouba... they're practically jumping out of the page at you.

 

 

The only context is that Risto is not very good defensively yet. There are plenty of young defensemen that have tough matchups night in and night out, and guess what, they're all not in the minus 20's or 30's.

Name them

While I don't always agree with pi, I think (i) his avatar is so eye-bleeding that it naturally makes others here hostile to his takes and (ii) more to the immediate point, there is a bit too much jumping the gun here on the "Risto is great" conclusion.

 

There are at least 40 defensemen in the NHL who are better than Risto is right now. Will Risto get into the top 10 in the next few years? I sure hope so, and he's got the tools. But it's far from certain.

Again, name them Edited September 28, 2016 by WildCard

[LGR4GM]

Sabres had a 145 5v5 goals last year. 

[WildCard]

Try me; I actually have one.

 

I'm not kidding.

 

When I bought the house, there was this nice, ALSO uninsulated little room across from my bedroom--technically another bedroom itself since it has a closet, but picture Harry Potter's room under the stairs. Including the sloped roof. I put in custom shelving, an easy chair and a hassock, and a small TV (which is now meaningless since I cut the cord). And my old stereo.

 

There probably are 3000 books in there. There's a first-edition Faulkner, there's a Shorter OED, there's freaking EVERYTHING. The books are organized by subject, except for fiction, which is organized by author. (Except for the rack-sized stuff; that's on the shelves that only fit rack-sized stuff. Cf. sloped roof; it goes down to about 3.5 feet at the far end.)

 

It is by far my favorite room in the house.

 

I am a nerd's nerd.

Ahhhh I'm so jealous of this. I have at least 200 books of my own that I've read, I'm obsessed with having a book collection. I dream of having a great study with a fireplace and a library

Sabres had a 145 5v5 goals last year.

A +?

I re-read a lot. Especially Faulkner but other stuff too.

 

Nonfiction, I tend to re-read math stuff a lot. And I'll want to look back at history/language/religion stuff.

 

Fiction, I really try to reread at least one Faulkner novel per year. I read the Narnia series (childhood!) so often that I'm on my FOURTH set since my late aunt bought them for me when I was eight--and I'm about ready for a fifth. Yeah, cheap glue. I guess I should just buy a nice hardcover with all seven books in it. I reread Cormack McCarthy quite a bit, too.

I reread all the HP books every summer.

 

Any chance you have recommendations and descriptions of some good math books?

 

I've read the Bible cover to cover. I've always wanted read the Quran and Torah

Edited September 28, 2016 by WildCard

[Randall Flagg]

Do you guys mean math books like textbooks? 

[Eleven]

Ahhhh I'm so jealous of this. I have at least 200 books of my own that I've read, I'm obsessed with having a book collection. I dream of having a great study with a fireplace and a library

A +?

I reread all the HP books every summer.

 

Any chance you have recommendations and descriptions of some good math books?

 

I've read the Bible cover to cover. I've always wanted read the Quran and Torah

 

I re-read the Narnia books for religious reasons, believe it or not.

 

I will get you some good pop-math recommendations.

 

I don't know where to find a Quran or Torah, but you can get a Book of Mormon at any Marriott.  I don't think you even have to check in.  I think you can ask at the desk.

[BagBoy]

I re-read a lot.  Especially Faulkner but other stuff too.  

 

Nonfiction, I tend to re-read math stuff a lot.  And I'll want to look back at history/language/religion stuff.

 

Fiction, I really try to reread at least one Faulkner novel per year.  I read the Narnia series (childhood!) so often that I'm on my FOURTH set since my late aunt bought them for me when I was eight--and I'm about ready for a fifth.  Yeah, cheap glue.  I guess I should just buy a nice hardcover with all seven books in it.  I reread Cormack McCarthy quite a bit, too.  

 

Wow.  I have some Faulkner stuff from my mom that I've never read.  Narnia once as a kid was great for me, but I never wanted to re-read them (still have them though along with the Space Trilogy by C.S. Lewis).  I like Cormac McCarthy but what I've read of him kind of depresses me.  Don't get me wrong, he's great, but some of the cruelty, etc. really gets to me for some reason.  His book with the wolf really fux with me, even now (All the Pretty Horses?).  I bought Cities of the Plains years ago and still haven't read it. 

 

As far as re-reading, I would gladly read any Vonnegut over and over again.  Planning on reading Eugene O'Neill's The Iceman Cometh again before the year is out.

[LGR4GM]

Yeah, you got it.

 

 

I included Pysyk because we've always been told that he has great analytics, but warned that his sample size isn't very good. This shows he was indeed very sheltered and rarely played. 

Hmm interesting.

[darksabre]

Do you guys mean math books like textbooks?

I like to buy used text books on things I find interesting. Used book stores with old editions just laying around are a great resource.