Trade ideas and speculation

[TrueBlueGED]

I would be pretty upset if we traded Reinhart. I highly doubt it will happen, but it would be pretty depressing, even if we did get a guy like Hall back. Really like Sam as a player. 

 

I'd punt a neighbor's puppy into Lake Erie.

[WildCard]

I'd punt a neighbor's puppy into Lake Erie.

It'd be impressive if you didn't have a lake house  ;)

[TrueBlueGED]

It'd be impressive if you didn't have a lake house  ;)

 

It's not mine, the rats just let me freeload.

[WildCard]

It's not mine, the rats just let me freeload.

I believe I can do something about that 

 

[Thorner]

I'd punt a neighbor's puppy into Lake Erie.

 

Bark twice if you're in Milwaukee!!

[thewookie1]

An LAK blog said they'd give a 2017 2nd for Cody Franson, that would rock!

 

If that were to happen here's what I'd do:

 

I'd use #38 and one of the two other 2017 2nds to move up to 29th.  Boston has 4 picks in 2017, 1,4,6,7 so they may be interested in recouping a 2nd and moving down seeing as they already have a pick at #32

 

With #29 I'd have much more of the ability to strike into the early 20's potentially to grab a guy who slid. #22 would be the most intriguing seeing as Winnipeg has 0 3rds and they may be willing to turn that #22 into #29 and a pair of 3rds and a 3rd next year.

 

 

#8 and #22 wouldn't be half bad and we'd still have 2 3s, 1 4, 2 5s, 1 6, and 2 7s for diamond hunting

[Hoss]

If the main pieces in a deal were Samson Reinhart, Mark Pysyk, 8 for Taylor Hall and 4 I would miss the sky.

 

I absolutely love Samson but there's no way that's enough to get Taylor Hall.

[nfreeman]

Reino for Hall?  Hmmmm.  The perfect daydream conversation for this thread.  It's almost, but not quite, impossible to see it happen, and the principal pieces are close enough in value to make it interesting.

 

The 2 players had very comparable rookie seasons, although Reino was a year older and Hall produced the same offense in 65 games that Reino produced in 79 (albeit with Hall getting about 1.5 min more ice time per game).  Hall also produced more shots.

 

Hall has not scored more than 27 goals in his 6 NHL seasons, but has scored over 20 in 5 out of 6 (if his 16 goals in the lockout season are extrapolated).  He has missed a fair amount of games with injuries in 3 out of 6 seasons, although not in 2 of his last 3 seasons.

 

So, Hall, who will be 25 this fall, has a good NHL track record and a great junior record to evaluate him on.  Reino, OTOH, has a great junior career (including World Juniors) and a nice NHL rookie season.  Hall has more speed; Reino probably has a better hockey IQ and hopefully will be more durable.

 

I don't think Edmonton would make the proposed trade -- I think getting Hall and the improvement in draft slots is too much to expect.  I could talk myself into them agreeing to Hall-for-Reino-plus-Pysyk, but even that is a stretch -- they would likely insist on McCabe.  And I don't think GMTM would make the trade without the draft pick swap, but I could maybe see him doing it with pick swap.  

 

It's definitely a more likely fantasy trade.

[Hoss]

It is indeed fun to think about but I imagine Hall only moves for a top-pairing dman which Risto would be our only offer there and I wouldn't do that.

[dudacek]

Sabres will make a hockey trade that brings in a younger top four defenceman.

I'm sticking with my Brodin for Zemgus prediction, which is fair value IMO.

But I would not be surprise to see a different deal where people think Murray overpays.

I also think he will make another deal for a top six forward where we give up very little to help some team clear cap space.

Edited June 14, 2016 by dudacek

[Thorner]

Sabres will make a hockey trade that brings in a younger top four defenceman.

I'm sticking with my Brodin for Zemgus prediction, which is fair value IMO.

But I would not be surprise to see a different deal where people think Murray overpays.

I also think he will make another deal for a top six forward where we give up very little to help some team clear cap space.

Those two things seem likely to me.

 

Your odds on landing Stamkos?

[WildCard]

FWIW. I have no idea if these guys are actually legitimate, hoping someone more versed in the twitter universe can verify or not

 

‏@sabres_talk  4h4 hours ago

A lot of rumors swirling that the #Sabres are trying to move up. Tim Murray is going to make some moves with trades and in free agency.

 

@JoeFinley716  5h5 hours agoNorth Tonawanda, NY

Source says the #Sabres are trying to move up in the draft and have ongoing trade talks with Edmonton.

[Hoss]

Neither are legit. One is just a fan page and the other is a fanboy.

 

(But I don't doubt that both are technically accurate despite their source)

Edited June 14, 2016 by Hoss

[TrueBlueGED]

Sabres will make a hockey trade that brings in a younger top four defenceman.

I'm sticking with my Brodin for Zemgus prediction, which is fair value IMO.

But I would not be surprise to see a different deal where people think Murray overpays.

I also think he will make another deal for a top six forward where we give up very little to help some team clear cap space.

I'm starting to think Zemgus-Brodin itself would be overpayment, unless Brodin has an offensive game hidden somewhere.

[jsb]

I'm starting to think Zemgus-Brodin itself would be overpayment, unless Brodin has an offensive game hidden somewhere.

You're not going to get E.Karlsson stats out of that guy but you will get a young, elite skater with speed and hockey IQ. Upgrade on Gorges in my opinion but still very young, I think he'll turn 23 by next year. I hate to give up on Z after one down year but that's a fair hockey trade in my opinion if the Wild add a little to the pie. You have Pysyk and Brodin on the 3rd pair, Bogosian and an improving McCabe on the 2nd pairing and that's 5/6ths of a very young and good D again in my opinion.

Speaking of McCabe, everything I've read about him at the IIHF tournament has been very positive.

[Brawndo]

• Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: NHL Rumors:

- The Montrea• Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: NHL Rumors:

- The Montreal Canadiens/Buffalo Sabres are interested in acquiring a higher pick in the NHL Draft. The Edmonton Oilers/Calgary Flames both are reported to be interested in moving down.

 

[LGR4GM]

• Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: NHL Rumors:

- The Montrea• Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: NHL Rumors:

- The Montreal Canadiens/Buffalo Sabres are interested in acquiring a higher pick in the NHL Draft. The Edmonton Oilers/Calgary Flames both are reported to be interested in moving down.

I would trade Pysyk and #8 to move up to #6 (maybe swap 2nds too to help even that out)... if Edmonton doesn't take a defender that means we would have the pick of the litter at #6.  I think Van is taking Dubois.

Edited June 14, 2016 by LGR4GM

[dudacek]

How many of you will be pissed when we trade up for Chychrun?

[Eleven]

How many of you will be pissed when we trade up for Chychrun?

 

As much as I like him, I do not want the team trading up for him.  If he's available at 8, he's my guy.  If he isn't, another very good defenseman will be there.

[WildCard]

I don't even know why we're trading up to begin with.

[Eleven]

I don't even know why we're trading up to begin with.

 

Some people really like Tkatchuk.

[WildCard]

Some people really like Tkatchuk.

Him or Juolevi are the only two I can think of. Of course there's Chyrchun, but I refuse to believe in that

 

Or it could be Nylander

 

 

And then you have to look at the big names in play here. Edmonton may have a couple. Eberle’s name has been out there forever. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins’ name has been out there. I’ll tell you what – during the Stanley Cup Final, Taylor Hall’s name became more of a name of interest than the other two, for obvious reasons. - Dreger (From today)

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-hall-became-name-interest-cup-final/

 

Dreger: Oilers’ brass told me Hall close to untouchable (From April)

I will lose my ###### mind if we trade Reinhart away in any package to Edmonton where Hall is not coming back. Even if Hall comes back, and I love me some Taylor Hall, I'll still be pissed

Edited June 14, 2016 by WildCard

[Brawndo]

If the trade is with EDM it probably is Tkatchuk. If it's with Calgary probably Juoveli.

 

As mentioned before getting in front of Arizona should give us the choice of D Men, depending on what EDM does of course.

 

Although the Arizona's Need for a D Man in the draft might be diminshed by this.

 

Per Joe Haggerty

Keep hearing Jacob Trouba's name mentioned in trade chatter leading up to July 1. Arizona is latest team. He'd make nice RH partner for OEL

[WildCard]

If the trade is with EDM it probably is Tkatchuk. If it's with Calgary probably Juoveli.

 

As mentioned before getting in front of Arizona should give us the choice of D Men, depending on what EDM does of course.

 

Although the Arizona's Need for a D Man in the draft might be diminshed by this.

 

Per Joe Haggerty

Keep hearing Jacob Trouba's name mentioned in trade chatter leading up to July 1. Arizona is latest team. He'd make nice RH partner for OEL

Which makes Barrie available again. How you pass up on Barrie/Duchene is beyond me though. Not sure how Arizona tops that offer

Edited June 14, 2016 by WildCard

[That Aud Smell]

Tim Graham's piece on analytics in football contained passing reference to two apparent truths in NFL analytics: Don't trade up in the draft, and don't skew heavily on the running game. (Both of which are tenets that the Bills have flouted.)

 

What about in the NHL? Should GM TM not trade up?

 

Seems to me that it's a different analysis.

 

That chart reflecting NHL playing minutes and draft position on an x,y axis comes to mind.