Trade ideas and speculation

[rakish]

This note from wikipedia's 2016 NHL draft page

 

The Colorado Avalanche’s second-round pick was re-acquired as the result of a trade on June 27, 2015 that sent Buffalo's second-round pick in 2015 to San Jose in exchange for a second-round pick in 2015, Colorado's sixth-round pick in 2017 and this pick.^[19]

 

Colorado took Buffalo's 2015 #31, traded down to 2015 #39, and added the 2016 Colorado second round pick.

 

So in the end, Buffalo traded 4 pieces, but Colorado traded down and turned them into 5 pieces. And you're right, if we're counting, there's a third subtracted for McGinn

Edited June 8, 2016 by rakish

[Randall Flagg]

Yes I think Sakic is that dumb. He traded ROR instead of signing him for a russian enigma, a russian tank that occasionally wonders off, a canadian kid who listens more to his dad than his coaches, a guy who looks to be a solid 3rd or possibly 2nd line winger and a draft pick they traded and ended up with a 2nd round guy I personally don't think will ever see the NHL.

Is the dad kid you're referring to Lemieux? He went to Winnipeg, we only gave up Zads/Grigs/Compher/31, somehow.

[LGR4GM]

Oh yea Lemiuex did go to Winnipeg. Clearly I need a vacation. 

[Brawndo]

 

Per Bob Stauffer the Oilers Radio Analyst

 

At this stage it would really surprise me if the Oilers trade down from #4 in the draft. Team is going to get a "core" player in that spot

[pi2000]

Per Bob Stauffer the Oilers Radio Analyst

 

At this stage it would really surprise me if the Oilers trade down from #4 in the draft. Team is going to get a "core" player in that spot

 

That's funny.   Half their team are high pick "core" players.    How's that been working out for them?

[Thorner]

Per Bob Stauffer the Oilers Radio Analyst

At this stage it would really surprise me if the Oilers trade down from #4 in the draft. Team is going to get a "core" player in that spot

In Lenny's voice: ahhhhh nuts.

 

Guess it's likely either a trade to 3 for Puljujarvi, or picking at 8th.

[dudacek]

Bob Stauffer is the Oilers mouthpiece.

Those comments are code to other GMs for "time to up the bidding."

[Brawndo]

Dreger: Benning isn't fully sold on keeping the 5th overall pick & could move it to get back into playoffs. #Canucks

 

Also aggressive offers being made for the 3rd Pick

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

[Eleven]

Dreger: Benning isn't fully sold on keeping the 5th overall pick & could move it to get back into playoffs. #Canucks

 

Also aggressive offers being made for the 3rd Pick

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

 

Delusional.

[dudacek]

Dreger: Benning isn't fully sold on keeping the 5th overall pick & could move it to get back into playoffs. #Canucks

Also aggressive offers being made for the 3rd Pick

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

Any relation of either of these developments to the Stauffer quote is purely coincidental.

 

I think you combine the fact the Bluejackets don't need a winger with the fact the Oilers don't need a teenager and the fact the Canucks don't embrace an extended rebuild, with the fact there is little consensus on four through 10 or 12 and we could see some NFL-style pick swapping on the draft floor.

Edited June 9, 2016 by dudacek

[TrueBlueGED]

In Lenny's voice: ahhhhh nuts.

 

Guess it's likely either a trade to 3 for Puljujarvi, or picking at 8th.

 

Drafting #8 was always by far the most likely outcome, right? I enjoy the speculation a lot, but every year we hear all kinds of chatter about trades at the top, and inevitably all the teams just stand pat and pick. I'm okay with it. I just mentioned this in the draft thread, but I'm really starting to believe Brown goes to Calgary or Vancouver, helping Nylander to slide to us at 8. I'd be ecstatic. 

 

 

Dreger: Benning isn't fully sold on keeping the 5th overall pick & could move it to get back into playoffs. #Canucks

 

Also aggressive offers being made for the 3rd Pick

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

 

 

Delusional.

 

That's putting it mildly. Vancouver is a team that desperately needs a legitimate rebuild...if Benning gives up a cornerstone rebuild piece for immediate help? Well, once again I'd like to thank Pat LaFontaine for not hiring him.

 

 

Any relation of either of these developments to the Stauffer quote is purely coincidental.

 

I think you combine the fact the Bluejackets don't need a winger with the fact the Oilers don't need a teenager and the fact the Canucks don't embrace an extended rebuild, with the fact there is little consensus on four through 10 or 12 and we could see some NFL-style pick swapping on the draft floor.

 

Could go both ways, though. On the one hand, some GM may really like one player more than the group, and be willing to pay for a move. On the other hand, they all might be relatively ambivalent and not inclined to give up enough to make a move.

[Thorner]

Drafting #8 was always by far the most likely outcome, right? I enjoy the speculation a lot, but every year we hear all kinds of chatter about trades at the top, and inevitably all the teams just stand pat and pick. I'm okay with it. I just mentioned this in the draft thread, but I'm really starting to believe Brown goes to Calgary or Vancouver, helping Nylander to slide to us at 8. I'd be ecstatic.

You and me both on Nylander. As I alluded to in another thread, I'm worried Murray will pass on him if he's available. I suppose we'll know how it all plays out soon enough.

 

Is there any pick that would be genuinely disappointing? Someone off the board, I guess?

[TrueBlueGED]

You and me both on Nylander. As I alluded to in another thread, I'm worried Murray will pass on him if he's available. I suppose we'll know how it all plays out soon enough.

 

Is there any pick that would be genuinely disappointing? Someone off the board, I guess?

 

If Nylander is on the board, anyone not named Nylander :lol

 

I'd be pretty disappointed in somebody like Bean, Brown, Fabbro, McAvoy, or McLeod. 

[ct fab]

If you guys like Nylander than you should love Keller. Both are small and dynamic, granted Keller is smaller, but Keller is more dynamic and doesn't play small. Nylander is more of a perimeter player. I would be happy with either on Jack's wing eventually, but happier with Keller. Neither are long and play, both have to get significantly stronger. The only player who might be plug and play at #8 is the Russian dman.

[TrueBlueGED]

If you guys like Nylander than you should love Keller. Both are small and dynamic, granted Keller is smaller, but Keller is more dynamic and doesn't play small. Nylander is more of a perimeter player. I would be happy with either on Jack's wing eventually, but happier with Keller. Neither are long and play, both have to get significantly stronger. The only player who might be plug and play at #8 is the Russian dman.

Oh, I love me some Keller for sure and would be fine if he's our pick, but I'd take Nylander with both there. Nylander has a better shot and is more versatile, with the ability to play either wing spot. He also has a more all around game, with decent to good defensive play and penalty killing.

[sabills]

Would you guys move Zemgus to land 3,4, or 5? I think I would. I think I need more in return for Z+8 than those picks, but if I can do Z+8 for 3+nice D prospect I'd love that. I love me some Latvian Locomotive, but I just don't see his spot on this team, really. I'd rather have Pulololvuailraraivlaiai or Tkachuck on the Eichel/Reinhart wing, and Larsson has 3C locked down for me for now.

[That Aud Smell]

Would you guys move Zemgus to land 3,4, or 5? I think I would. I think I need more in return for Z+8 than those picks, but if I can do Z+8 for 3+nice D prospect I'd love that. I love me some Latvian Locomotive, but I just don't see his spot on this team, really. I'd rather have Pulololvuailraraivlaiai or Tkachuck on the Eichel/Reinhart wing, and Larsson has 3C locked down for me for now.

 

At least with regard to pick 3, my sense continues to be that the deal would need to be Zemgus + the 8th overall + a Sabre pick or prospect for the #3 pick.

 

Maybe picks 4 and 5 come a little cheaper.

[TrueBlueGED]

Would you guys move Zemgus to land 3,4, or 5? I think I would. I think I need more in return for Z+8 than those picks, but if I can do Z+8 for 3+nice D prospect I'd love that. I love me some Latvian Locomotive, but I just don't see his spot on this team, really. I'd rather have Pulololvuailraraivlaiai or Tkachuck on the Eichel/Reinhart wing, and Larsson has 3C locked down for me for now.

Yes for 3, no for 4/5 unless the Dman coming back had legit top-4 upside sooner than later, which I have difficulty imagining being the case.

[sabills]

At least with regard to pick 3, my sense continues to be that the deal would need to be Zemgus + the 8th overall + a Sabre pick or prospect for the #3 pick.

 

Maybe picks 4 and 5 come a little cheaper.

 

 

Yes for 3, no for 4/5 unless the Dman coming back had legit top-4 upside sooner than later, which I have difficulty imagining being the case.

 

 

I just saw that this convo was happening in the Draft thread, too. Yeah, I agree with both cases I think. I would probably go as much as Gus+8+69 for 3, and probably Gus+8 for 4/5+D prospect.

[LGR4GM]

Dreger: Benning isn't fully sold on keeping the 5th overall pick & could move it to get back into playoffs. #Canucks

 

Also aggressive offers being made for the 3rd Pick

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

:lol:  what a dumbass. Sure you could make the playoffs but you will never get anywhere with the aging Sedins leading the way. A smart team would draft Dubois and start rebuilding quietly. 

Would you guys move Zemgus to land 3,4, or 5? I think I would. I think I need more in return for Z+8 than those picks, but if I can do Z+8 for 3+nice D prospect I'd love that. I love me some Latvian Locomotive, but I just don't see his spot on this team, really. I'd rather have Pulololvuailraraivlaiai or Tkachuck on the Eichel/Reinhart wing, and Larsson has 3C locked down for me for now.

You want to move up potentially 5 slots and get a good d prospect out of the deal? That isn't realistic. If you are giving up Zemgus and #8 to move to #3 at most you might get back a 3rd, maybe if you include your 3rd you can get a 2nd round pick but in the real world you might, might mind you, be able to trade Zemgus for a good d prospect straight up depending on if teams think last year was an anomaly for him and a change of scenario makes him a top 6 player. 

[sabills]

:lol:  what a dumbass. Sure you could make the playoffs but you will never get anywhere with the aging Sedins leading the way. A smart team would draft Dubois and start rebuilding quietly. 

You want to move up potentially 5 slots and get a good d prospect out of the deal? That isn't realistic. If you are giving up Zemgus and #8 to move to #3 at most you might get back a 3rd, maybe if you include your 3rd you can get a 2nd round pick but in the real world you might, might mind you, be able to trade Zemgus for a good d prospect straight up depending on if teams think last year was an anomaly for him and a change of scenario makes him a top 6 player. 

 

For 3, no, probably not, but for 4 or 5 I need it, otherwise its not worth it. I'm not going to move up only 3 spots AND give up a guy who is a second line center on some teams right now to get someone who probably won't play this year.  Take a look at my second post and it gives a little more info on what I'm thinking. I probably don't move to 5 at all if the three top wingers are all gone, anyways. If there hasn't been a D-man who's gone in the top 4 I'll just wait til 8 and get one of Nylander, Joulevi, Sergachev, or Chykryn (please excuse all of those spellings). I don't think Nylander is worth moving up to 5 for, and I don't know if any of those D-men are that much better than the rest to make me pay to get them. That's obviously up to Murray and the scouts, though.

 

For a D-prospect coming back in the case of 4/5 I need someone of the Ghule-from-last-year vein probably. Guy who has top-4 upside, but is 2ish years out. Preferably a LHD.

[BetterDays06]

Would you guys move Zemgus to land 3,4, or 5? I think I would. I think I need more in return for Z+8 than those picks, but if I can do Z+8 for 3+nice D prospect I'd love that. I love me some Latvian Locomotive, but I just don't see his spot on this team, really. I'd rather have Pulololvuailraraivlaiai or Tkachuck on the Eichel/Reinhart wing, and Larsson has 3C locked down for me for now.

Ummm in a second I would do #8 and girgs for #3

[WildCard]

Oh, I love me some Keller for sure and would be fine if he's our pick, but I'd take Nylander with both there. Nylander has a better shot and is more versatile, with the ability to play either wing spot. He also has a more all around game, with decent to good defensive play and penalty killing.

Keller was consistently put out there on the PK and in big minutes to close the game. Not sure you're right about his defensive work

[WildCard]

 

“What I know is this. Very recently, I reached out to a couple of general managers who I know have had some contact with Bergevin over time. One in particular, a Western Conference general manager, flat-out said he asked Bergevin about the availability of P.K. Subban. Now, this is probably in the last two, three weeks, maybe a bit longer than that. And he was flat-out told that he wasn’t going to be available."

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-western-conference-gm-flat-told-subban-not-available/

[Hoss]

That was the most pointlessly long way of saying PK Subban isn't available.