sabresith Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Ouch. He may not be top 6, but 4th line? Absolutely he is a fourth liner. That's where I would want him on my team. I'm sorry, but if this guy is in your top nine then you are not a playoff team. Quote
Brawndo Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Foligno possible trade target?? http://www.wgr550.com/pages/22514224.php?contentType=4&contentId=18513815#.VtGw7xYC13o.twitter Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Foligno possible trade target?? http://www.wgr550.com/pages/22514224.php?contentType=4&contentId=18513815#.VtGw7xYC13o.twitter Yes please. Quote
sabresith Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Foligno possible trade target?? http://www.wgr550.com/pages/22514224.php?contentType=4&contentId=18513815#.VtGw7xYC13o.twitter Nice, hope it happens. Quote
tom webster Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Absolutely he is a fourth liner. That's where I would want him on my team. I'm sorry, but if this guy is in your top nine then you are not a playoff team. And exactly his many 15-20 goal scorers are third liners much less 4th lines? Quote
Hoss Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Posted February 27, 2016 I think it's more appropriate to call him a "bottom-six forward." And one you feel confident in having some spot duty in the top six when players are injured/need rest. They should get good value for him on Monday. I pretty much never find myself agreeing with a word any of The Fourth Period guys say. Quote
sabresith Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 And exactly his many 15-20 goal scorers are third liners much less 4th lines? Like the quote said he is a fourth liner having a good year. Quote
tom webster Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Like the quote said he is a fourth liner having a good year. Actually, he is having the kind of year that he has been having for his career, He is a career 15-20 goal scorer. I'm not advocating keeping him because as I have said before, the new NHL is a top 4 core kind of league and you don't give term and money to any other forwards but to say he is a fourth line center shows a lack of knowing what the NHL has become with respect to scoring and a lack of knowing what McGinn has done throughout his career 2011/2012 - 20 goals 2012/2013 -11 goals in a 48 game strike shortened season 2013/2014 - 19 goals 2014/2015 - 4 goals in 19 games before injury Quote
Hoss Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Posted February 27, 2016 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Teams, at times, with maybe > than cursory int: ANA, ARI, BOS, CAR, CHI, COL, MIN, MTL, NSH, NJD, NYI, NYR, OTT, PHI, SJ, STL, TOR, VAN, WPG Quote
dudacek Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) I think it's more appropriate to call him a "bottom-six forward." And one you feel confident in having some spot duty in the top six when players are injured/need rest. They should get good value for him on Monday. I pretty much never find myself agreeing with a word any of The Fourth Period guys say. I much prefer middle six as a description for McGinn.It's where he fits statistically (ncluding ice time) and stylistically and where he has played most of his career. There is no such thing as an NHL team with a 15-goal scorer playing regularly on the fourth line. I doubt it's happened over the course of a full season in 20 years. Anyone calling McGinn a fourth -liner has a hate on for the guy, or has never really looked at who is playing on 4th lines around the NHL, including the top teams. He's an average player. Average players aren't on the fourth line. Edited February 27, 2016 by dudacek Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Teams, at times, with maybe > than cursory int: ANA, ARI, BOS, CAR, CHI, COL, MIN, MTL, NSH, NJD, NYI, NYR, OTT, PHI, SJ, STL, TOR, VAN, WPG That is in reference to Drouin, in case it's not clear from the tweet. (It isn't.) Quote
dudacek Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 That is in reference to Drouin, in case it's not clear from the tweet. (It isn't.) Damn, I thought it was McGinn ;-) Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) I much prefer middle six as a description for McGinn. It's where he fits statistically (ncluding ice time) and stylistically and where he has played most of his career. There is no such thing as an NHL team with a 15-goal scorer playing regularly on the fourth line. I doubt it's happened over the course of a full season in 20 years. Anyone calling McGinn a fourth -liner has a hate on for the guy, or has never really looked at who is playing on 4th lines around the NHL, including the top teams. He's an average player. Average players aren't on the fourth line. 2007, the Sabres had four centers with >15 and four RWs with >13. (But I agree w/ your point.) Edited February 27, 2016 by Eleven Quote
dudacek Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 2007, the Sabres had four centers with >15 and four RWs with >13. Which one was playing regularly on the 4th line? Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Which one was playing regularly on the 4th line? Kotalik and Hecht, I believe. I think Roy and Stafford were together on the third line. Quote
sabresith Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Hey man put him in your top nine and see if you ever make the playoffs. Also never said he should be a center. I will say I don't like where the league is going. It seems like as a league we are sacrificing skill and speed for big guys who can cycle the puck on the boards. IMO most of the nhls scoring problems stem from this style of play, but that's just what I think. Actually, he is having the kind of year that he has been having for his career, He is a career 15-20 goal scorer. I'm not advocating keeping him because as I have said before, the new NHL is a top 4 core kind of league and you don't give term and money to any other forwards but to say he is a fourth line center shows a lack of knowing what the NHL has become with respect to scoring and a lack of knowing what McGinn has done throughout his career 2011/2012 - 20 goals 2012/2013 -11 goals in a 48 game strike shortened season 2013/2014 - 19 goals 2014/2015 - 4 goals in 19 games before injury Quote
Hoss Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Posted February 27, 2016 That is in reference to Drouin, in case it's not clear from the tweet. (It isn't.) Good call. I just plopped it right in there without thinking. Not the first time this got me in trouble. Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Hey man put him in your top nine and see if you ever make the playoffs. Also never said he should be a center. I will say I don't like where the league is going. It seems like as a league we are sacrificing skill and speed for big guys who can cycle the puck on the boards. IMO most of the nhls scoring problems stem from this style of play, but that's just what I think. I mean, it happened just two years ago, didn't it? Good call. I just plopped it right in there without thinking. Not the first time this got me in trouble. You go be sorry on the bench. Quote
sabresith Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 Also like Eleven said maybe I just have hate for Mcginn. No real reason just don't want him on my team. Quote
Weave Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 I mean, it happened just two years ago, didn't it? You go be sorry on the bench. Colorado doesn't count! #notsurewhy Quote
dudacek Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 I don't remember Hecht ever being a regular on the 4th line. Wasnt the fourth line Mair, Goose and Peters? Point taken though. Kotalik was probably at a similar level as McGinn. And if that roster was healthy he was probably the number 4 RW Damn, that was deep hockey team. Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 I don't remember Hecht ever being a regular on the 4th line. Wasnt the fourth line Mair, Goose and Peters? Point taken though. Kotalik was probably at a similar level as McGinn. And if that roster was healthy he was probably the number 4 RW Damn, that was deep hockey team. Yeah, completely an exception and not the rule. As I said, your point stands. I just wanted a nice trip down memory lane! Quote
Brawndo Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 More from McKenzie If Drouin is traded, TB will have to get a piece that helps them this season and a significant prospect for the future. Maybe a pick, too? And this from Dreger I'm told Yzerman was asking for a right shot D as part of any Drouin deal. Quote
Eleven Posted February 27, 2016 Report Posted February 27, 2016 More from McKenzie If Drouin is traded, TB will have to get a piece that helps them this season and a significant prospect for the future. Maybe a pick, too? And this from Dreger I'm told Yzerman was asking for a right shot D as part of any Drouin deal. A smart GM waits until the off-season, then. Y help Y get out of his mess? Quote
Hoss Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Posted February 27, 2016 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Kris Russell was informed yesterday he is likely to be traded. No surprise. Very strong market. Pitt and Bos frontrunners. #TradeCentre Quote
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