Trade ideas and speculation

[Randall Flagg]

I agree and I would freaking love to add Pacioretty if the Habs decide to scapegoat the Yankee.

 

Ennis, Pysyk and a #2 for Pacioretty? Who says no?

That seems light because I'd be all over it in a second, they'd probably want the second to be our first and would maybe ask for something more. Hasn't Max hit 40 goals before? He always seems to be top 10 in goal scoring, that'd be tough to trade for

[thewookie1]

You might be able to get Pacioretty for 3 2nds, Pysyk and Ennis 

 

He's a 3 time 30g scorer with 2 years within 3 of hitting 40

 

It would be rather funny though since we'd of got MTL's last two Cs then.

 

If we can acquire another 1st for this or next year we might be able to use that with 2 2nds + Ennis and Pysyk and that sound not half bad.

 

I'd love having him on Eichel's left.

[Hoss]

Oh, Wookie. You're a treasure.

[nfreeman]

It's pretty clear that Subban is the scapegoat, though.

Well, he's this coach's scapegoat, but I'd guess the coach goes before PK.

 

I also think my proposal for Max P. was too optimistic.

[tom webster]

Well, he's this coach's scapegoat, but I'd guess the coach goes before PK.

 

I also think my proposal for Max P. was too optimistic.

I have heard rumblings for Max as well and as much as I love Pysyk I would do that in a heart beat but agree that they wouldn't.

[Brawndo]

If PK was on the market and there is NFW I believe he is, EDM would be the perfect partner. A combination of Hall/Draistal/RNH or Nurse and their non lottery protected 1st would be a possible starting point.

 

One of Montreal Bloggers mentioned that Pacioretty and Subban are at odds in the Locker Room FWIW.

[Randall Flagg]

FWIW, I'm reading Montreal forums right now and they view Max P similarly to how we viewed Vanek/Pominville around the times they were traded. That he's a part of a failed core and needs to be shipped out as part of a culture change.

I'd still love to add him, because ideally we wouldn't also need him to be our captain or our best offensive player. 

[qwksndmonster]

Familiarity breeds contempt.  Max is a great player and is only 27.  He's signed for 3 more years at an extremely reasonable 4.5 mil per.  His production is roughly equivalent to Pominville's (but more goals) at the same age and I think he's better defensively.

 

Man, if we traded for him my mom would go NUTS.  Max is her favorite player in the league.

Edited February 19, 2016 by qwksndmonster

[WildCard]

Familiarity breeds contempt.  Max is a great player and is only 27.  He's signed for 3 more years at an extremely reasonable 4.5 mil per.  His production is roughly equivalent to Pominville's (but more goals) at the same age and I think he's better defensively.

 

Man, if we traded for him my mom would go NUTS.  Max is her favorite player in the league.

How in the hell is that guy on for $4.5m for the next 3 years? His defensive and offensive play is great. The fact that he is putting up those numbers on that team is nothing short of incredible. The guy deserves $8m per

[#freejame]

FWIW, I'm reading Montreal forums right now and they view Max P similarly to how we viewed Vanek/Pominville around the times they were traded. That he's a part of a failed core and needs to be shipped out as part of a culture change.

 

I'd still love to add him, because ideally we wouldn't also need him to be our captain or our best offensive player. 

WOOKIE WAS RIGHT  :huh:

[thewookie1]

WOOKIE WAS RIGHT :huh:

What?

[Weave]

What?

 

said everyone.

[inkman]

said everyone.

:lol:

[thewookie1]

said everyone.

Haha...... ????

[Eleven]

I do not want them to trade McGinn.

 

I'm posting this in multiple threads.

[TrueBlueGED]

I'm all in on trading McGinn! :nana:

[dudacek]

It's nothing personal Jamie.

I like you and would love to see on the team next year.

But not trading you now is a warm and fuzzy mistake.

And I am a cold-blooded cup-chasing reptile.

Zero given.

Thanks for your service, Tim Murray.

[Rasmus_]

It's nothing personal Jamie.

I like you and would love to see on the team next year.

But not trading you now is a warm and fuzzy mistake.

And I am a cold-blooded cup-chasing reptile.

Zero ###### given.

Thanks for your service, Tim Murray.

 

Absolutely!  Jamie, we're sorry we couldn't sign you to an extension that works for us.  But, we'll try in free agency.  Insert 2nd round pick, to get a healthy Jamie McGinn. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I agree and I would freaking love to add Pacioretty if the Habs decide to scapegoat the Yankee.

 

Ennis, Pysyk and a #2 for Pacioretty? Who says no?

 

Max is really on the outs with the GM and the fans.

 

Two Anglo captains back to back, no sir, not for long in Montreal.

 

I think your trade proposal is acceptable.

[Thorner]

I do not want them to trade McGinn.

 

I'm posting this in multiple threads.

 

 

It's nothing personal Jamie.

I like you and would love to see on the team next year.

But not trading you now is a warm and fuzzy mistake.

And I am a cold-blooded cup-chasing reptile.

Zero ###### given.

Thanks for your service, Tim Murray.

 

Is there something to be said for what signing McGinn this season rather than trading him could do for team dynamics? We've seen how this team is coming together, are we confident all the players will be able to adequately process the "business mentality" that Murray would be operating under if he were to trade McGinn for a 2nd? Even assuming they do accept it fine, would signing McGinn provide a beneficial morale boost going forward? Does such a thing in this case even exist?

 

I'm unsure where I fall on this matter. It's a second round pick. Is it really worth dealing McGinn for, if we can sign him now, for a reasonable price, rather than risk losing him in free agency?

 

I think it comes down to price for me. If we can get him in a good deal, I'd rather sign him this season than trade him for a pick that has a real chance of amounting to nothing.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Thorny

[dudacek]

If McGinn was signed for 2 or 3 years at $3 million per, not a problem. Go for it.

I think his market value is more like 4/4. Can't see him taking much less and I don't want to pay him that.

 

You have to be thinking about needing space on the roster for the Baileys and the Faschings a year or two down the road, and cap space for the Eichels and Reinharts.

You also have to look at saving cap space so you have the option to spend more than $4 million per on someone better than McGinn this summer.

 

Now if we deal Moulson or Ennis at the deadline, then the idea of re-signing Jamie at market value gets more interesting.

Edited February 21, 2016 by dudacek

[Weave]

We are shortest at the wing.  McGinn is a good one.  A 2nd round pick has a 25% chance of ever having an NHL career.

 

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[nfreeman]

If McGinn was signed for 2 or 3 years at $3 million per, not a problem. Go for it.

I think his market value is more like 4/4. Can't see him taking much less and I don't want to pay him that.

 

You have to be thinking about needing space on the roster for the Baileys and the Faschings a year or two down the road, and cap space for the Eichels and Reinharts.

You also have to look at saving cap space so you have the option to spend more than $4 million per on someone better than McGinn this summer.

 

Now if we deal Moulson or Ennis at the deadline, then the idea of re-signing Jamie at market value gets more interesting.

 

As always, our esteemed colleague from BC nails it.

 

Everyone is feeling happy right now, but no one should kid himself/herself:  the team still has plenty of real needs, especially on D.

 

Overpaying a decent, but only decent, winger handicaps them in their ability to bring in players who are very good to great, and in locking up the emerging core.  Getting Risto, Eichel, Reino, Kaner, another good winger and another top-pairing defenseman locked up long term is going to be expensive.

 

This is McGinn's best shot in his entire life at a big payday.  He's going to see what's out there on July 1, and he should. 

 

Just like the Sabres are going to try to get a #1 for him and a #4, or him and Franson, or something like that, and then maybe sign him for $3.5MM x 3 years in the summer if he can't get a 4-year deal elsewhere -- and they should. 

[TrueBlueGED]

We are shortest at the wing.  McGinn is a good one.  A 2nd round pick has a 25% chance of ever having an NHL career.

 

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

I don't think most of us advocating trading him want the pick for the purpose of being used as a pick. Additionally you're ignoring the opportunity cost: $4 million spent on McGinn is $4 million they can't use on something better.

 

I look at it this way: if we spend $4 million on McGinn, we can only realistically target one of Eriksson, Boedker, Yandle. If we trade McGinn, we can target two. I'd rather have any 2/3 of those players over 1/3 + McGinn. I know, I know, it's not guaranteed we'd get 2/3 of them...but I want the option to try.

 

Edit: Just wanted to add, I think I can get McGinn-caliber production (30-35 points) for less than what he'll get on the market. 

Edited February 21, 2016 by TrueBlueGED

[Thorner]

As always, our esteemed colleague from BC nails it.

 

Everyone is feeling happy right now, but no one should kid himself/herself:  the team still has plenty of real needs, especially on D.

 

Overpaying a decent, but only decent, winger handicaps them in their ability to bring in players who are very good to great, and in locking up the emerging core.  Getting Risto, Eichel, Reino, Kaner, another good winger and another top-pairing defenseman locked up long term is going to be expensive.

 

This is McGinn's best shot in his entire life at a big payday.  He's going to see what's out there on July 1, and he should. 

 

Just like the Sabres are going to try to get a #1 for him and a #4, or him and Franson, or something like that, and then maybe sign him for $3.5MM x 3 years in the summer if he can't get a 4-year deal elsewhere -- and they should. 

 

I think everyone is in agreement that we don't want to be overpaying for him. The argument is that if we can get him for a reasonable price now, it might be beneficial to lock him up now, rather than chancing that in the summer. Especially when the return may be minimal. He's a useful player that this roster needs.

 

If what you are saying is that it would be impossible to get him at a decent price and term, when attempting to sign him to a deal during this season, then I agree, trade him. But I am not convinced that is the case.