Hoss Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Posted February 19, 2016 More for Fowler, or just not that happy with Zemgus? As it is our wingers blow More for Fowler. I really like him and the genetics that made him left handed. I'm not "down" on Zemgus but I'm not as excited about him as others or as I was. Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 More for Fowler. I really like him and the genetics that made him left handed. I'm not "down" on Zemgus but I'm not as excited about him as others or as I was. The question is then, what do we do for wingers, or a third line center for that matter if Larsson is traded, which it appears more likely than Zemgus Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I must emphasize that this was Garth from SabresBuzz reporting this, but supposedly Murray is interested in Zemgus at the deadline, Garth suggested Zemgus for Fowler. I felt it move. Can't imagine Zemgus has that kind of value though with the season he's having. The question is then, what do we do for wingers, or a third line center for that matter if Larsson is traded, which it appears more likely than Zemgus I don't know, and I don't care. Zemgus is a 2nd/3rd line tweener, and Fowler is a #2/3 Dman tweener. Quote
Brawndo Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 The question is then, what do we do for wingers, or a third line center for that matter if Larsson is traded, which it appears more likely than Zemgus This is more of an offseason move, but Hockey Hotline had Craig Rivet on with Peters and Matthew Coller while Sylvester was on vacation ( they are a fantastic trio to tune in for BTW), and they mentioned that St Louis being in cap trouble might cause them to have to move a guy like Jaden Schwartz. He is just coming back after an injury, but has 2G and 1A in three games. I would love to give him a look. Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 @True: We need wingers, we have to have something more than an injury prone Kane and Ennis, the former of which clearly needs to be with restricted line mates This is more of an offseason move, but Hockey Hotline had Craig Rivet on with Peters and Matthew Coller while Sylvester was on vacation ( they are a fantastic trio to tune in for BTW), and they mentioned that St Louis being in cap trouble might cause them to have to move a guy like Jaden Schwartz. He is just coming back after an injury, but has 2G and 1A in three games. I would love to give him a look.Very interesting. The also have the Backes contract to deal with. I'm assuming he's not a UFA? Quote
Brawndo Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 @True: We need wingers, we have to have something more than an injury prone Kane and Ennis, the former of which clearly needs to be with restricted line mates Very interesting. The also have the Backes contract to deal with. I'm assuming he's not a UFA? RFA. I wonder if Armstrong is going to have buyers remorse on Stastny? Quote
Hoss Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Posted February 19, 2016 The question is then, what do we do for wingers, or a third line center for that matter if Larsson is traded, which it appears more likely than Zemgus That's something GMTM can handle in the offseason. Draftee, free agency, Ennis trade... There's options. It'll take time to fill the holes on this team. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 @True: We need wingers, we have to have something more than an injury prone Kane and Ennis, the former of which clearly needs to be with restricted line mates Very interesting. The also have the Backes contract to deal with. I'm assuming he's not a UFA? I don't disagree, but if I have the chance to flip a guy who probably looks like a 5th, 6th or 7th best forward on a good team into a 2nd or 3rd best Dman on a good team, I'm doing it and worrying about the rest later. I just think it's easier to replace Zemgus than to find a Fowler-caliber defenseman. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 This is more of an offseason move, but Hockey Hotline had Craig Rivet on with Peters and Matthew Coller while Sylvester was on vacation ( they are a fantastic trio to tune in for BTW), and they mentioned that St Louis being in cap trouble might cause them to have to move a guy like Jaden Schwartz. He is just coming back after an injury, but has 2G and 1A in three games. I would love to give him a look. It's hard to imagine St. Louis letting Schwartz go, but if it was possible, mmmmmmm. I don't disagree, but if I have the chance to flip a guy who probably looks like a 5th, 6th or 7th best forward on a good team into a 2nd or 3rd best Dman on a good team, I'm doing it and worrying about the rest later. I just think it's easier to replace Zemgus than to find a Fowler-caliber defenseman. Zemgus is my main man, but I'd have to do this trade as well. I'd probably cry a little, but I'd do it. Quote
beerme1 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I don't disagree, but if I have the chance to flip a guy who probably looks like a 5th, 6th or 7th best forward on a good team into a 2nd or 3rd best Dman on a good team, I'm doing it and worrying about the rest later. I just think it's easier to replace Zemgus than to find a Fowler-caliber defenseman. I don't want to lose Zemgus. But I have to agree with it. I envisioned Zemgus as a Messier type player and still do! It will take some time to fill into that complete role if it is ever even possible. Fowler speeds everything up for us though. Really though they would ask for Zemgus and Ennis and? That gives me reason to start swearing should it be put on the table. Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Who do you choose if you're Anaheim: Eriksson, or Zemgus and Ennis? I'd think the latter would cost you a little more Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Who do you choose if you're Anaheim: Eriksson, or Zemgus and Ennis? I'd think the latter would cost you a little more Zemgus and Ennis, without question. Eriksson is better than either of them, but they're younger and under team control for longer. As a mid-cap team, that's no small thing to get two valuable players for about the same cash. Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I don't disagree, but if I have the chance to flip a guy who probably looks like a 5th, 6th or 7th best forward on a good team into a 2nd or 3rd best Dman on a good team, I'm doing it and worrying about the rest later. I just think it's easier to replace Zemgus than to find a Fowler-caliber defenseman. I mean, is Fowler really that good? Losing Larsson, Zemgus, McGinn, and Ennis really screw us. Fasching may not even be on the team next year, Bailey has shown some promise and then....what? ROR to the wing? A 18 year old Finn that looks further and further away every day? Zemgus may be the 5th best forward on the team, but he's very versatile, and has proven a great winger. Who are we realistically going to get in FA to replace 4-5 wingers? I think it's easier to get a Fowler than replace 2 wingers that we use to trade for him, let alone the other 3 we'll be losing for draft picks and prospects I don't want to lose Zemgus. But I have to agree with it. I envisioned Zemgus as a Messier type player and still do! It will take some time to fill into that complete role if it is ever even possible. Fowler speeds everything up for us though. Really though they would ask for Zemgus and Ennis and? That gives me reason to start swearing should it be put on the table. That's the thing with trades. Start throwing stuff onto the table until you hesitate, then you're close to a trade. Zemgus and Ennis, without question. Eriksson is better than either of them, but they're younger and under team control for longer. As a mid-cap team, that's no small thing to get two valuable players for about the same cash. True enough. And the Ducks style of play suites Zemgus very well Quote
thewookie1 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I'd never trade Girgs, don't care if its Fowler. He has something few players have in an indomitable will, coupled with skill. Go and draft a Dman, or find one worth Ennis, Larsson and a couple 2nds. Or both, but don't gut the little forward depth we have to get 1 more Dman Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I went on this wagon a few seasons back, and now I'm back to it. Anthony Mantha, anyone? 15-18-43 in 44 AHL games this year, he's already reached his point total for his first year in the AHL of 62 games. Mantha is a brilliant skater with great speed. He is a dangerous scorer with a very good shot and quick release, which he loves to use. Mantha has very good size and reach and knows how to hold on to the puck. While receiving criticism for insonsistancy, he has improved his defensive play and physicality. Once he adds some grit aggressiveness into his play, Mantha has the tools to become a solid top-six NHL forward. (Matias Strozyk, 2013) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=104045#sthash.uV3bNGsL.dpuf http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=104045 Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) I mean, is Fowler really that good? Losing Larsson, Zemgus, McGinn, and Ennis really screw us. Fasching may not even be on the team next year, Bailey has shown some promise and then....what? ROR to the wing? A 18 year old Finn that looks further and further away every day? Zemgus may be the 5th best forward on the team, but he's very versatile, and has proven a great winger. Who are we realistically going to get in FA to replace 4-5 wingers? I think it's easier to get a Fowler than replace 2 wingers that we use to trade for him, let alone the other 3 we'll be losing for draft picks and prospects That's the thing with trades. Start throwing stuff onto the table until you hesitate, then you're close to a trade. True enough. And the Ducks style of play suites Zemgus very well Fowler is a legit top-4 Dman, and has flirted with #1 status on good Anaheim teams (some debate about whether he or Lindolm is their best), so yea I think so--he'd instantly be our second best behind Risto, and by a comfortable margin. In any event, I'm assuming some level of competence here--that we're not going to lose all 4 forwards without getting at least 1-2 back in return, or otherwise retaining the ones we don't trade. Edited February 19, 2016 by TrueBlueGED Quote
WildCard Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Fowler is a legit top-4 Dman, and has flirted with #1 status on good Anaheim teams (some debate about whether he or Lindolm is their best), so yea I think so--he'd instantly be our second best behind Risto, and by a comfortable margin. In any event, I'm assuming some level of competence here--that we're not going to lose all 4 forwards without getting at least 1-2 back in return, or otherwise retaining the ones we don't trade. I wouldn't mind the deal, but it's really entirely contingent upon what Murray brings in to replace the depleted forwards. I have faith in him thus far to surprise me. I mean, who saw the Kane trade happening? I'm so stoked for this deadline/draft. It's going to be huge. HUGE ROCHESTER, HUUUUGGEEEEE Quote
Rasmus_ Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Trades as predicted by some writer, what do you guys think? To Buffalo: D Cam Fowler, F Stefan Noesen To Anaheim Ducks: F Tyler Ennis, 2016 3rd round pick (DAL or STL) To Buffalo: D Raman Hrbarenka, 2016 4th round pick To New Jersey: F Johan Larsson To Buffalo: 2016 5th round pick To Arizona: G Chad Johnson To Buffalo: F Kerby Rychel To Columbus: D Jake McCabe, F Nicholas Baptiste, 2017 Conditional 5th round pick (Calls this last one 'not going to happen') http://thehockeywriters.com/predicting-the-buffalo-sabres-trade-deadline/ The first one is what we should be looking for. I don't want to give up Larsson for a prospect in NJ not named: Quennville or Zacha. Quote
nfreeman Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I don't want to lose Zemgus. But I have to agree with it. I envisioned Zemgus as a Messier type player and still do! It will take some time to fill into that complete role if it is ever even possible. Fowler speeds everything up for us though. Really though they would ask for Zemgus and Ennis and? That gives me reason to start swearing should it be put on the table. Whoa. Quote
Brawndo Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Did the rounds to find out if Subban is on the market. One team executive said "his name has come up". @TVASports From Louis Jean from TVA Sports Quote
#freejame Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I went on this wagon a few seasons back, and now I'm back to it. Anthony Mantha, anyone? 15-18-43 in 44 AHL games this year, he's already reached his point total for his first year in the AHL of 62 games. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=104045 I've always like Mantha and then sort of forgot about him since guys don't make Detroit until they're like 35 (Larkin excluded) Quote
Rasmus_ Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 I'd never trade Girgs, don't care if its Fowler. He has something few players have in an indomitable will, coupled with skill. Go and draft a Dman, or find one worth Ennis, Larsson and a couple 2nds. Or both, but don't gut the little forward depth we have to get 1 more Dman Good points. You're trading the: McGinn, Colaiacovo, Legwand, Johnson, Weber's, Moulson of the world first. With gauging interests on Foligno, Larsson, Franson. Quote
Huckleberry Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-p-k-subbans-name-has-come-up-in-trade-talks-montreal-canadiens-marc-bergevin-tva-louis-jean/ Canadians rumoured to have gauged interest on the trade market for Subban. Find that hard to believe but this is the rumour thread :p Quote
Randall Flagg Posted February 19, 2016 Report Posted February 19, 2016 Montreal would want Eichel, or O'Reilly+, or Reinhart+ or Risto+. Quote
Hoss Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Posted February 19, 2016 Would do Reinhart+ or Risto+. But it ain't happening. Quote
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