Iron Crotch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On Pysyk for Drouin - ###### it, do it. I'm bored. On Tyson Barrie - no on Risto for him but absolutely yes on a serious pursuit if he somehow becomes available. I'd bet the farm that Pysyk is being held out because he is the subject of a potential trade (most of which eventually fall through). Personally, I think folks around here overvalue Pysyk. He is a nice player. Very smooth. But, he doesn't bring much on the offensive end. I'd trade him for the right return. We have the pieces to then try to swing another trade for a better two-way defenseman. Definitely Tyson Barrie, but I'm not sure the Avs will part with him. I'd go after Matt Dumba. He is great with the puck and can shoot. Dumba for Ennis and some picks/prospects or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Barrie is a good player (and a nice kid according to an acquaintance whose car he smacked into), although his dad is a piece of work. He's not physical and not that great in his own end. Dumba is a guy whose head doesn't match his skills. I'm much lower on him than most. We know the Sabres like Pysyk a lot less than we do, but maybe the Lightning agree with us. That said, wouldn't he being showcased for a trade, rather than being held out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Barrie is a good player (and a nice kid according to an acquaintance whose car he smacked into), although his dad is a piece of work. He's not physical and not that great in his own end. Dumba is a guy whose head doesn't match his skills. I'm much lower on him than most. We know the Sabres like Pysyk a lot less than we do, but maybe the Lightning agree with us. That said, wouldn't he being showcased for a trade, rather than being held out? Would depend on how close the deal is to consumation. If they (whomever they may be) are down to just haggling over what spare parts even out the value, don't expect to see Pysyk tomorrow night either. If he plays tomorrow, guess TM doesn't have to get a room just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 He's having a breakout year offensively. His skating ability is the something the Sabres are sorely lacking on the back-end. If I'm GMTM, I'm texting Joe Sakic once a week. This is not a breakout year for Barrie, last year was that year for him. On Pysyk for Drouin - ###### it, do it. I'm bored. On Tyson Barrie - no on Risto for him but absolutely yes on a serious pursuit if he somehow becomes available. I'm just not interested in Drouin, he's all hope and nothing else. Pysyk may not be flashy, or ever even get into an ASG, but he's what we need most right now I'd bet the farm that Pysyk is being held out because he is the subject of a potential trade (most of which eventually fall through). Personally, I think folks around here overvalue Pysyk. He is a nice player. Very smooth. But, he doesn't bring much on the offensive end. I'd trade him for the right return. We have the pieces to then try to swing another trade for a better two-way defenseman. Definitely Tyson Barrie, but I'm not sure the Avs will part with him. I'd go after Matt Dumba. He is great with the puck and can shoot. Dumba for Ennis and some picks/prospects or something like that. He's our best possession defenseman. Granted that's along with 4 other slobs, but still No, but Barrie brings a skill set we absolutely need to add to our blue line. I'd pay a hefty price for him. Any ideas? At this point I'm assuming Pysyk and Zemgus go somewhere in that deal http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-offered-ryan-nugent-hopkins-in-deal-for-nashvilles-seth-jones-spector-reports Report says Oilers offered Nashville RNH for Seth Jones but Nashville picked Johansen. RNH > Johansen. Edmonton will move one of Eberle, Yak or RNH, with maybe Hall. It's going to happen, and we're going to miss the boat because we have nothing to offer that we'd part with (looking at you, Risto) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I'm just not interested in Drouin, he's all hope and nothing else. Pysyk may not be flashy, or ever even get into an ASG, but he's what we need most right now What is this based on? Drouin is actually producing fine in the NHL which is probably why he demanded a deal in the first place. 40 points in 89 games isn't spectacular, but it's not terrible for a 20 year old. In my opinion, Pysyk's absolute ceiling is a second-pairing righty. Drouin's absolute ceiling is a first-line playmaker. I think his chances of having an impact on your team at or above Pysyk's ceiling are good to very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Barrie is a right hand shot so I can see a slight problem in him, unless he plays on the left side frequently. As for Pysyk for Drouin, I'd be very torn. Pysyk could become quite the effective defenseman with his possession skills and calm demeanor. However I doubt that's what they'd want. They probably want Girgs, Pysyk and a 2nd for Drouin and I wouldn't do that. I'd be more into Torey Krug since he more of a lesser Barrie, left handed shot on a team already strapped for cap room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Matthew Collor suggested on WGR this morning that Pysyk should demand a trade. His reasoning was that Pysyk was kept in the AHL last year for the obvious purpose of the tank, and he seemed to take it well. Now that the tank is over he suddenly isn't playing despite being healthy and better than probably every other dman but Ristolaienen. So what gives? I disagree that he should demand a trade, but I understand what he's getting at. Maybe he's being held out for a trade. Maybe he's still got some hesitations from the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Matthew Collor suggested on WGR this morning that Pysyk should demand a trade. His reasoning was that Pysyk was kept in the AHL last year for the obvious purpose of the tank, and he seemed to take it well. Now that the tank is over he suddenly isn't playing despite being healthy and better than probably every other dman but Ristolaienen. So what gives? I disagree that he should demand a trade, but I understand what he's getting at. Maybe he's being held out for a trade. Maybe he's still got some hesitations from the injury. Or he's just not physical enough for Bylsma's liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Or he's just not physical enough for Bylsma's liking.Or they had won 2 straight and disco dan didn't want to change the lineup. I feel like I woke up on Kashyyyk Edited January 16, 2016 by inkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Or they had won 2 straight and disco dan didn't want to change the lineup. I feel like I woke up on Kashyyyk Pysyk was getting 3rd pair minutes before the injury. I just don't think Bylsma's that into him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Pysyk was getting 3rd pair minutes before the injury. I just don't think Bylsma's that into him. Player usage has infuriated me but some of GMTM'S comments yesterday make me wonder if he feels the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Player usage has infuriated me but some of GMTM'S comments yesterday make me wonder if he feels the same way I got the impression Murray does, but he is balancing that with the things the team is doing right and giving Dan a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Varone showcase anyone? What could he fetch, a 5th at best maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Pysyk is 24 and still isn't a full-time NHL defenseman. He'll give you maybe 15-20 points in a full season. We have Risto and Bogo on the right side already. Both are bigger and more physical and bring more on the offensive end. I personally don't see why folks think it'd be such a tragedy to move him (for the right return, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Varone showcase anyone? What could he fetch, a 5th at best maybe? A 1/5 of jack Daniels maybe...prolly not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Pysyk is 24 and still isn't a full-time NHL defenseman. He'll give you maybe 15-20 points in a full season. We have Risto and Bogo on the right side already. Both are bigger and more physical and bring more on the offensive end. I personally don't see why folks think it'd be such a tragedy to move him (for the right return, of course). I don't know how you can think Bogo brings much of anything on the offensive end. His offensive instincts and decisions are hilariously bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I don't know how you can think Bogo brings much of anything on the offensive end. His offensive instincts and decisions are hilariously bad. I find it odd that a Dman drafted that high is that bad on the oh-fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Bogo is starting to come on in. Hopefully his start has been system and injury related. Historically his offence is decent and certainly better than Pysyk's. Potato and Freeeman have been voices in the wilderness on here re Pysyk, but so far they're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Bogo is starting to come on in. Hopefully his start has been system and injury related. Historically his offence is decent and certainly better than Pysyk's. Potato and Freeeman have been voices in the wilderness on here re Pysyk, but so far they're right. I haven't seen enough of Pysyk to have an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Bogo is starting to come on in. Hopefully his start has been system and injury related. Historically his offence is decent and certainly better than Pysyk's. Potato and Freeeman have been voices in the wilderness on here re Pysyk, but so far they're right. As Sabres, Bogosian is averaging .23 PPG and Pysyk is averaging .18 PPG. Bogosian has cracked 20 points once in the last 4 seasons. Whatever Bogosian looked like he may have had earlier in his career has completely vanished. Add in the possession metrics that favor Pysyk on both an individual and a team level, and I don't think there's a strong case for Bogosian's offensive game being superior. And on a purely qualitative level, I see Bogosian making countless boneheaded decisions when trying to generate offense. I find it odd that a Dman drafted that high is that bad on the oh-fenceHe was a PPG player his draft year and his early career showed signs of offensive ability. No clue what happened, but it clearly didn't develop from there. Edited January 16, 2016 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Bogo stopped getting power play time his last year and a half with the Jets. So, his scoring dropped. Unlike Pysysk, Bogo actually shoots the puck. He just shoots it a couple of feet wide, unfortunately. I'd like to see Murray make one more "blockbuster" trade. But, if he doesn't go that route before the trade deadline, he can sell off all of the UFAs, acquire a bunch of picks, then package picks/prospects for someone this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Hey True, any chance you could point me to where you find someone's career line mates? I remember you bringing it up before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Potato and Freeeman have been voices in the wilderness on here re Pysyk, but so far they're right. I like Pysyk just fine. It's just that I think a lot of folks around here overvalue him. He is a solid defender, but certainly not "untouchable." We have one "untouchable" defenseman and that is Risto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Hey True, any chance you could point me to where you find someone's career line mates? I remember you bringing it up before If you go to player stats at Hockey Analysis you can click a player's name and get it in there. You can select individual seasons or blocks of consecutive seasons up to (I think) 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Not advocating this just feeling out the temperature of the board. Risto for Barrie straight up, yes or no? I believe EDM should have traded RNH at the draft and taken Noah Hanifin. Never. Ristolainen is on the path to be a Top 5 D in the league. He's absolutely one of the best D the Sabres have ever had. Matthew Collor suggested on WGR this morning that Pysyk should demand a trade. His reasoning was that Pysyk was kept in the AHL last year for the obvious purpose of the tank, and he seemed to take it well. Now that the tank is over he suddenly isn't playing despite being healthy and better than probably every other dman but Ristolaienen. So what gives? I disagree that he should demand a trade, but I understand what he's getting at. Maybe he's being held out for a trade. Maybe he's still got some hesitations from the injury. Coller is an idiot. Pysyk was back for 1 game and was not played for that 1 game. He's not suddenly not playing. Pysyk is the kind of player no one values until he is gone. He doesn't light up the board, he doesn't level the forwards. He simply takes the puck, moves it up ice quickly, and goes about his business. It's too bad most people need big hits or G/A to determine the value of defense. Trade him.. this team will suffer immeasurably. As Sabres, Bogosian is averaging .23 PPG and Pysyk is averaging .18 PPG. Bogosian has cracked 20 points once in the last 4 seasons. Whatever Bogosian looked like he may have had earlier in his career has completely vanished. Add in the possession metrics that favor Pysyk on both an individual and a team level, and I don't think there's a strong case for Bogosian's offensive game being superior. And on a purely qualitative level, I see Bogosian making countless boneheaded decisions when trying to generate offense. He was a PPG player his draft year and his early career showed signs of offensive ability. No clue what happened, but it clearly didn't develop from there. Bogosian hasn't exactly played on a team that lights it up has he? I don't think he's anything amazing and certainly there are far better D that have been drafted at the spot he was but I'm not sure PPG is a good stat on teams that generally don't score much. (If I am mistaken on Winnipeg's scoring ability, then I apologize). I do agree with your assessment on his boneheaded decisions. I've seen improvement overall as of late but there are still many moments where I wonder. Then again, I also wonder how much he is trying to overdo things because he's with McCabe. I like McCabe but he's got some positional issues without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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