TrueBlueGED Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 The intesting thing about Drouin is that he fits Murray's stated goal to a tee: talented young players who haven't found their niche yet in other organizations, for whatever reason. He was the third overall pick in a stronger draft and is just 20 years old. Would you trade this year's first-rounder for him? Not a chance. Too many questions about him, both health and play, three years after his draft for a guy who should be making his mark. And I'm all about trying to pry him away, but that pick is u touchable for me right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Not a chance. Too many questions about him, both health and play, three years after his draft for a guy who should be making his mark. And I'm all about trying to pry him away, but that pick is u touchable for me right now. I think Ennis plus would be a more likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think Ennis plus would be a more likely scenario. Ennis as the centerpiece makes a ton of sense from our perspective. Not sure what Tampa is looking for though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 For the record, I am not a fan of Drouin's attitude. He seems spoiled. That said, he was more highly thought of than either of the Finns in his draft year and is two years ahead in the development process. Is he really that far from where Ryan Johansen was at this point in his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 For the record, I am not a fan of Drouin's attitude. He seems spoiled. That said, he was more highly thought of than either of the Finns in his draft year and is two years ahead in the development process. Is he really that far from where Ryan Johansen was at this point in his career? No, but I wouldn't have given a likely top-5 pick for Johansen 3 years after his draft year either :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Ennis as the centerpiece makes a ton of sense from our perspective. Not sure what Tampa is looking for though. Dreger and LeBrun have been reporting they would like a similar aged D Man. Asking price for Ottawa for example is Cody Ceci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 The intesting thing about Drouin is that he fits Murray's stated goal to a tee: talented young players who haven't found their niche yet in other organizations, for whatever reason. He was the third overall pick in a stronger draft and is just 20 years old. Would you trade this year's first-rounder for him? I agree, except that GMTM likes bigger guys. Still, I can see him being very interested in Drouin for the reasons you mention. Not a chance. Too many questions about him, both health and play, three years after his draft for a guy who should be making his mark. And I'm all about trying to pry him away, but that pick is u touchable for me right now. I think Ennis plus would be a more likely scenario. I agree with TBGED, and I don't think GMTM would trade next year's #1 for Drouin -- at least not until we know what it is. If it turns out to be, say, the 9th pick in the draft? Then I think GMTM pulls the trigger. At this point, though, if TB is shopping him pre-deadline, that means we don't know what pick it will be, and that TB will probably want players who will help them in the playoffs this year. And that, in turn, means IMHO TB is going to want one of the Sabres' untouchables -- ROR, Eichel, Reino or Risto. I would give them Ennis, one of McCabe or Pysyk and the Sabres' 2nd-rounder in a heartbeat, but I don't think TB will go for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Dreger and LeBrun have been reporting they would like a similar aged D Man. Asking price for Ottawa for example is Cody Ceci.So Pysyk or McCabe. Weird, I thought the Bolts were loaded on the back end. You'd think with Drouin not panning out and the uncertainty of Stamkos, they'd want forwards. Maybe get the d-man, then add some and ship it to Edmonton for Hall/Eberle/RNH? Edited January 14, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Would you trade this year's first-rounder for him? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) The Lightning reportedly want a young NHL RHD, so we're likely going to need to send them Pysyk. But I think they'd still be interested in young forwards... My guess is it will need to be Girgensons or Pysyk. And I don't think they'll have interest in Bogosian because it's been reported they can't take money back. Edited January 14, 2016 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Lots of deals thrown around that most others react with n f'n way. Perfect for trade ideas and speculation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 NBCSN has the Wild after Drouin, with TB wanting Dumba back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 NBCSN has the Wild after Drouin, with TB wanting Dumba back I think that works for both teams. Drouin goes West and the Wild get a replacement for Pommers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) As a junior, Druin would go 4 to 6 in this draft .... correct? While not a dissappointment, he's not improved his stock thereafter. Accordingly, id value him like 6 to 9. A trade demand moves me to the 8/9 end. To the learned .... I'd trade 8 or higher (9, 10 direction) for him. I'd not trade a first until I knew it. Edited January 14, 2016 by N'eo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 NBCSN has the Wild after Drouin, with TB wanting Dumba back I really like Dumba. He's in the wrong system in Minnesota. Kid needs to be allowed to freelance offensively a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I think that works for both teams. Drouin goes West and the Wild get a replacement for Pommers.I think it works for TB, that's for sure. But Drouin isn't made for Yeo's system, and he isn't the type of player Pommers is. If I'm Drouin, I pray for a miracle that I can go to Chicago, Dallas, or even Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 NBCSN has the Wild after Drouin, with TB wanting Dumba back I'd do that yesterday if I were Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 As a junior, Druin would go 4 to 6 in this draft .... correct? While not a dissappointment, he's not improved his stock thereafter. Accordingly, id value him like 6 to 9. A trade demand moves me to the 8/9 end. To the learned .... I'd trade 8 or higher (9, 10 direction) for him. I'd not trade a first until I knew it. Players are still like used cars to me... Once you drive them off the lot they lose value. I don't think he's worth a top ten pick right now. There's a ton of value, to me, in having a guy come straight to your system from the draft. When a guy has spent a few years in another franchise who knows what he's been told that you'll have to correct or tweak. I would give them Girgensons, though. Probably Pysyk. Certainly not both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Is it a good idea to be shopping Ennis considering the type of season he's having? I'm sure NHL GMs are better able than fans to take the long-term view, but... The guy is a proven 20-goal scorer in the early part of his prime with speed, a solid contract - particularly for a budget team, given that Tpegs has paid out the real cash up-front - and good character. There can't be more than 100 guys in the league that can be counted on for 20 goals. He has to have pretty solid value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Good young defencemen the Sabres should be pursuing from teams that have a lot of young D and could have interest in Ennis: Shea Theodore Anaheim Mike Matheson Florida Steve Santini New Jersey Brady Skjei New York Travis Sanheim Philadelphia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Good young defencemen the Sabres should be pursuing from teams that have a lot of young D and could have interest in Ennis: Shea Theodore Anaheim Mike Matheson Florida Steve Santini New Jersey Brady Skjei New York Travis Sanheim Philadelphia Sanheim might be out of our league, and will take a long, long time to get here I think. I really like Metheson and Theodore, and perfer Theodore honestly because in a much shorter AHL time span, he's been much more productive. Matheson is a higher rated prospect however. Also, Theodore could probably be gotten from Anaheim more easily simply because of where those organizations are at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Theodore is my favourite target from that group. Some might say trading someone of Ennis' age, track record and skill for a promise is silly. Others might say we know Tyler's ceiling and Theodore could have a higher one. Given where each organizations is, I say a Theodore for Ennis swap has merit from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I don't think the Ducks would trade Theodore, essp not for Ennis while on his worst season in the league. If a deal is doable there, i think the player we need to look at is Cam Fowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I don't think the Ducks would trade Theodore, essp not for Ennis while on his worst season in the league. If a deal is doable there, i think the player we need to look at is Cam Fowler. Is Theodore really worth more than Fowler? I have a very hard time believing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Is Theodore really worth more than Fowler? I have a very hard time believing that I don't think it's a major step down from a performance standpoint but Fowler is a $4m cap hit for two seasons after this one, so i think based on that and potential i think they'd value moving Fowler over Theodore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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