darksabre Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 Can we trade for one of the good GT Tampa has? Like Vasilevskiy? or Gudlevskis? Gudlevskis would be the obvious choice. Quote
Hoss Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Posted April 30, 2015 Incorrect. Read up on it. If it's obvious at the dot, then it's done. If it's not--and it wasn't--it should be the regular contest. This is hybrid icing, not no-touch. I'm not finding anything indicating this. From what I remember the "hybrid" is because there's still an actual "race." No-touch is when they just blow it once it crosses the line regardless. Anybody have any links to clarify? I'm probably wrong here. Quote
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 Gudlevskis would be the obvious choice. I just want Murray to go Skiing. Not sure the price but maybe a 2nd round pick could convince them. I'm not finding anything indicating this. From what I remember the "hybrid" is because there's still an actual "race." No-touch is when they just blow it once it crosses the line regardless. Anybody have any links to clarify? I'm probably wrong here. I believe you are correct. It is a race to the dot. Quote
Eleven Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 I'm not finding anything indicating this. From what I remember the "hybrid" is because there's still an actual "race." No-touch is when they just blow it once it crosses the line regardless. Anybody have any links to clarify? I'm probably wrong here. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=684940 Quote
Hoss Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Posted April 30, 2015 http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=684940 Read that. Doesn't indicate that what you're saying is true. Quote
Eleven Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Read that. Doesn't indicate that what you're saying is true. This is exhausting. From the link: The hybrid-icing system allows the linesman to blow the play dead and call an automatic icing if he determines that the puck will cross the goal line and the defending player is not behind in the race to the end-zone faceoff dots in his defensive zone. The faceoff would go to the far end of the ice as it did with icings called in the previous system the NHL used. If the attacking player is leading the race, the linesman is supposed to allow the play to continue. Now, the play wasn't blown dead at the dots, was it? So the linesman ###### up. Or you can just google "hybrid icing" or "new NHL icing" or something. Edited April 30, 2015 by Eleven Quote
Hoss Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) This is exhausting. From the link: The hybrid-icing system allows the linesman to blow the play dead and call an automatic icing if he determines that the puck will cross the goal line and the defending player is not behind in the race to the end-zone faceoff dots in his defensive zone. The faceoff would go to the far end of the ice as it did with icings called in the previous system the NHL used. If the attacking player is leading the race, the linesman is supposed to allow the play to continue. Now, the play wasn't blown dead at the dots, was it? So the linesman ###### up. Or you can just google "hybrid icing" or "new NHL icing" or something. That still doesn't say what you're claiming to be true. You claim that "And that was a ###### icing call. They were neck-and-neck at the circle, and TB touched first." There is nothing in that link that supports this claim. As I understand it it simply comes down to who is first to the dot. If it's the offensive player then the play goes on. If it's the defender it's blown dead. I've googled it plenty. Everything I've seen this season and everything I've read tonight support my thought that touching is completely irrelevant now. Edited April 30, 2015 by Hoss Quote
Eleven Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 That still doesn't say what you're claiming to be true. You claim that "And that was a ###### icing call. They were neck-and-neck at the circle, and TB touched first." There is nothing in that link that supports this claim. As I understand it it simply comes down to who is first to the dot. If it's the offensive player then the play goes on. If it's the defender it's blown dead. I've googled it plenty. Everything I've seen this season and everything I've read tonight support my thought that touching is completely irrelevant now. They were neck-and-neck at the dot. I should have written "dot" instead of "circle." The linesman did not blow the play when they were at the dot, either. I don't know what else I can say here. Quote
Taro T Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 name="Eleven" post="687501" timestamp="1430360171"] http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=684940 From rule 81.1 ... For clarification, the determining factor is which player would first touch the puck, not which player would first reach the end zone face- off dots. If the race for the puck is too close to determine by the time the first player reaches the end zone face-off dots, icing shall be called. ... Quote
Claude Balls Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 Hmm, Milbury must think Babcock is going to end up in Buffalo as he's already taking shots at him calling him "sourpuss". I guess you're supposed to be all happy and smiles right after being bounced from the playoffs. I really hope Milbury ends up in Boston just so I don't have to listen to his BS anymore. Quote
Hoss Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Posted April 30, 2015 They were neck-and-neck at the dot. I should have written "dot" instead of "circle." The linesman did not blow the play when they were at the dot, either. I don't know what else I can say here. See Taro's post above. Touching is irrelevant. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 The boards have scored more goals for Tampa than Stamkos. If the Sabres land Babcock, I'm attributing all of this to him. If not, it was Datsyuk, so losing out on Babcock doesn't matter. Quote
Eleven Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 See Taro's post above. Touching is irrelevant. Dammit I wish I could just show this play. You'd get it. I also wish I could sleep. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 Boring game. Fun in spurts, but I should've fallen asleep in my chair like my Mom did. Do you guys think Coburn actually aimed far post top corner? The puck knuckled like all hell so I couldn't tell if it was lucky, or he really meant to do that. Looked lucky. Quote
Hoss Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Posted April 30, 2015 Dammit I wish I could just show this play. You'd get it. I also wish I could sleep. I think you are now arguing something separate. The call may have been wrong -- I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that touching is not relevant to icing anymore. Quote
North Buffalo Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 So we are getting Datsyuk? Datsyuk is a god So does Detroit losing make Sabres 2nd 1st round choice worse? Quote
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Datsyuk is a god So does Detroit losing make Sabres 2nd 1st round choice worse? Well Detroit would have had to beat Tampa and then Montreal for them to improve the Sabres pick. So technically yes but it was a long shot anyways. I believe now our NYI pick will either be 19, 20, or 21. If Minnesota, Washington and Minnesota Calgary win this round it would be 19 (18?) if I did the math right which I might not have. Basically those 3 teams need to win to leapfrog the Islanders pick. Edited April 30, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote
Taro T Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Well Detroit would have had to beat Tampa and then Montreal for them to improve the Sabres pick. So technically yes but it was a long shot anyways. I believe now our NYI pick will either be 19, 20, or 21. If Minnesota, Washington and Minnesota win this round it would be 19 (18?) if I did the math right which I might not have. Basically those 3 teams need to win to leapfrog the Islanders pick. :unsure: Edited April 30, 2015 by Taro T Quote
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 :unsure: Minnesota counts twice! Sorry Calgary. The 3rd team is Calgary. Calgary, Minnesota, and Washington. For each one of those teams that wins this round, the NYI pick will drop 1 spot. Quote
Taro T Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 Minnesota counts twice! Sorry Calgary. The 3rd team is Calgary. Calgary, Minnesota, and Washington. For each one of those teams that wins this round, the NYI pick will drop 1 spot. Was pretty sure only 2 spots left to potentially move up. Looks like that is the case, but the Caps don't factor in. The Caps finished w/ more points that the Isles, so their beating the Rags would have no effect on the Isles pick. 21 could move up to 19 w/ 2 western upsets. Quote
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 hmm well if that is the case I would bet Calgary loses and Minnesota might win. I think at best we get the 20th overall pick. Was pretty sure only 2 spots left to potentially move up. Looks like that is the case, but the Caps don't factor in. The Caps finished w/ more points that the Isles, so their beating the Rags would have no effect on the Isles pick. 21 could move up to 19 w/ 2 western upsets. According to TSN the caps and isles finished with 101pts. Tied in ROW with 40 but in the regular season the Caps won the series 3-1 so the Caps should be ranked higher and therefore, do not impact the NYI pick. Quote
Taro T Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 hmm well if that is the case I would bet Calgary loses and Minnesota might win. I think at best we get the 20th overall pick. According to TSN the caps and isles finished with 101pts. Tied in ROW with 40 but in the regular season the Caps won the series 3-1 so the Caps should be ranked higher and therefore, do not impact the NYI pick. That'll teach me not to relook @ the standings before posting. :doh: The Caps WERE ranked higher, which is why game 7 was in DC, and why they are irrelevant to the discussion. Quote
LGR4GM Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) That'll teach me not to relook @ the standings before posting. :doh: The Caps WERE ranked higher, which is why game 7 was in DC, and why they are irrelevant to the discussion. you are right according to what I researched and read. IDK why tsn has the caps below the Isles but the Isles did not have home ice advantage so maybe I am reading something wrong somewhere else? Either way I expect the Capitals to lose to the Rangers. Edited April 30, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote
Cereal Posted April 30, 2015 Report Posted April 30, 2015 If CGY and MIN both win their second round series, Isles' pick is #19. If CGY wins second round series and MIN loses theirs, Isles' pick is #20. If MIN wins second round series and CGY loses theirs, Isles' pick is #20. If neither CGY nor MIN win their second round series, Isles' pick is #21. Quote
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