off topic Buffalo Bills 2015

[TrueBlueGED]

Also, is anyone else worried that Rex is refusing to play to our team's strength of a solid front 4? We don't seem to be pressuring nearly as much, or getting the sacks. I get he wants to swarm and confuse the QB, but sometimes you gotta work with what you have, and what's been proven to work

Nope. It worked against Luck (and the Jets used the same blueprint Monday for him) and against Brady we didn't do nearly as much of it, in part because the Pats pace didn't allow it but in his presser Rex alluded to liking some matchups that we just didn't win (in other words, our DL got manhandled when it shouldn't have). It's also worth noting that Pettine, with an identical front four, did essentially what Rex does and our pass D was great that year.

 

Brady's just great man, no need to get all crazy on us! Look at what he did against Seattle in the second half of the Super Bowl--it was amazing but I don't think it was cause to fundamentally question Seattle's defensive approach.

 

Edit: Put differently, sometimes you just get beat. We try to find reasons or explanations, and want to find something, anything, that makes sense other than "he's just that good" because it really sucks to admit that. But sometimes that's just the cold truth.

Edited September 24, 2015 by TrueBlueGED

[WildCard]

Our pass defense has been great (I believe) the past 2 years, and our rush defense improved when we went away from Pettine's scheme. I'm not worried about the thrashing Brady put on us, I get how good he is and how great their coaching is. I'm worried that we didn't get any pressure on him, and that Jerry Hughes is running down the field trying to cover Amendola instead of lining up with his hand on the ground. 

[nfreeman]

Nope. It worked against Luck (and the Jets used the same blueprint Monday for him) and against Brady we didn't do nearly as much of it, in part because the Pats pace didn't allow it but in his presser Rex alluded to liking some matchups that we just didn't win (in other words, our DL got manhandled when it shouldn't have). It's also worth noting that Pettine, with an identical front four, did essentially what Rex does and our pass D was great that year.

 

Brady's just great man, no need to get all crazy on us! Look at what he did against Seattle in the second half of the Super Bowl--it was amazing but I don't think it was cause to fundamentally question Seattle's defensive approach.

 

Edit: Put differently, sometimes you just get beat. We try to find reasons or explanations, and want to find something, anything, that makes sense other than "he's just that good" because it really sucks to admit that. But sometimes that's just the cold truth.

I completely agree that sometimes you just get beat, and that he Pats are just the team to do it -- but they didn't just get beat. They got completely outclassed. It's perfectly OK, IMHO, to have a bit of angst about the team and to wonder whether they are any good.

[tom webster]

I completely agree that sometimes you just get beat, and that he Pats are just the team to do it -- but they didn't just get beat. They got completely outclassed. It's perfectly OK, IMHO, to have a bit of angst about the team and to wonder whether they are any good.

 

 

I'd say they have made great progress if getting completely outclassed by the defending Super Bowl Champs means losing by 8.

[nfreeman]

I'd say they have made great progress if getting completely outclassed by the defending Super Bowl Champs means losing by 8.

You're not the only One who has said something like this, but I have to ask anyway: do you really feel like that was just another eight-point loss? You don't think they got completely manhandled and then made it a bit closer in garbage time?

[TrueBlueGED]

Our pass defense has been great (I believe) the past 2 years, and our rush defense improved when we went away from Pettine's scheme. I'm not worried about the thrashing Brady put on us, I get how good he is and how great their coaching is. I'm worried that we didn't get any pressure on him, and that Jerry Hughes is running down the field trying to cover Amendola instead of lining up with his hand on the ground. 

 

I distinctly remember Jerry Hughes running down field in coverage under Pettine's defense as well, and it drives me nuts every time I see it, so I'm right there with you on principle with that one. I just don't think that had anything to do with us not getting pressure. Simply put, our stud DTs got schooled by a collection of rookie interior linemen, which is of course unacceptable, but not something I'd put on the coaches and not something I think we'll see happen too often. The blueprint for beating Brady (and basically every great pocket passer in history) is pressure up the middle to get them off their spot (see: the Giants in both of those Super Bowls) and to force them into moving left/right in the pocket as opposed to up, and we simply failed on that front. I don't think Hughes being on the line every snap as opposed to nearly every snap changes that outcome with the play of our DTs.

 

What I'm really trying to say is Rex Ryan's defense will be fine! :p

[tom webster]

No, garbage time is piling up points and yards when you have no chance to win. The Bills got the ball back with plenty of time to score and conceivably tie it up. The Patriots continued to throw and twice went for it on fourth down. There is really no way of knowing if the Patriots defense lost its focus but I saw little evidence of a coaching adjustment similar to how Buffalo pulled back the reigns against the Colts.

 

The defense was obviously ineffective most of the day against Brady but he was just in one of those zones that very few can duplicate. He makes it look so easy that it can be maddening but first deciding where to throw and then hitting those throws with such precision that his receivers can turn up field and doing it all in under 2 seconds is something they may never face again.

 

On top of that there were at least three calls that could have turned the tide early that went against them. Not saying it cost them the game but to think the game wouldn't have been different without them is in my opinion incorrect.

 

On a side note, I laughed out loud when the announce expressed surprise that the Patriots continued to throw and used the cliche "I'm surprised the Patriots haven't taken the air out of the football and just stopped throwing."

Edited September 25, 2015 by tom webster

[K-9]

"Garbage time" also entails playing against many 2nd stringers as the leading team seeks to rest its starters in the belief their lead is insurmountable at a certain point in the game. 

 

The only coaching adjustment the Patriots**** made was on the defensive side of the ball in the 4th quarter. It was the smart move and high percentage play to drop seven or eight into coverage at that point in the game. 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[SwampD]

No, garbage time is piling up points and yards when you have no chance to win. The Bills got the ball back with plenty of time to score and conceivably tie it up. The Patriots continued to throw and twice went for it on fourth down. There is really no way of knowing if the Patriots defense lost its focus but I saw little evidence of a coaching adjustment similar to how Buffalo pulled back the reigns against the Colts.

 

The defense was obviously ineffective most of the day against Brady but he was just in one of those zones that very few can duplicate. He makes it look so easy that it can be maddening but first deciding where to throw and then hitting those throws with such precision that his receivers can turn up field and doing it all in under 2 seconds is something they may never face again.

 

On top of that there were at least three calls that could have turned the tide early that went against them. Not saying it cost them the game but to think the game wouldn't have been different without them is in my opinion incorrect.

 

On a side note, I laughed out loud when the announce expressed surprise that the Patriots continued to throw and used the cliche "I'm surprised the Patriots haven't taken the air out of the football and just stopped throwing."

I think nfreemen's head just exploded.

 

There absolutely was a bias against the Bills and I wasn't crazy for thinking that, but, here's the thing. It was their own damn fault! All that BS before the game (Boobie kicking the ball into their bench, the DBs surrounding their drills) is embarrassing and they deserved not getting the benefit of the doubt on the penalties they got. I didn't know this when the game took place, that's why I was so pissed off, but what Rex and that team did before the game is, well, just f###in' stupid.

 

I really hope that they learned that if they just play football, they're pretty good.

[nfreeman]

I think nfreemen's head just exploded.

 

There absolutely was a bias against the Bills and I wasn't crazy for thinking that,

 

I really hope that they learned that if they just play football, they're pretty good.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me 100 times...

 

And we'll find out on Sunday if they're any good. There's a real possibility that they lose again.

[SwampD]

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me 100 times...

 

And we'll find out on Sunday if they're any good. There's a real possibility that they lose again.

You're just a ray of sunshine.

[WildCard]

I gotta go with nfreeman here, this Sunday is a must win

[nfreeman]

You're just a ray of sunshine.

I've just had the hopenchange beaten out of me over the years. But overall I'm happy with the direction of the franchise, which hasn't been the case for a long time.

[tom webster]

I gotta go with nfreeman here, this Sunday is a must win

 

Hardly a must win. A road game against a divisional foe, it won't be easy. It will be great to win but still plenty of season left if they lose.

[WildCard]

Hardly a must win. A road game against a divisional foe, it won't be easy. It will be great to win but still plenty of season left if they lose.

It's against a wild card contender coming off a huge loss. The Dolphins haven't looked good at all yet. This is a game good teams win

[tom webster]

It's against a wild card contender coming off a huge loss. The Dolphins haven't looked good at all yet. This is a game good teams win

Good teams win 10 or 11 games, doesn't matter when. Like I said, it will be great if they win but it's not the end of the season if they don't.

[nfreeman]

Good teams win 10 or 11 games, doesn't matter when. Like I said, it will be great if they win but it's not the end of the season if they don't.

Division games matter though, especially with the Pats looking like a 13-3 or better team and the Jets 2-0 already.

[WildCard]

Good teams win 10 or 11 games, doesn't matter when. Like I said, it will be great if they win but it's not the end of the season if they don't.

If you wanna win 10-11 games these are the games you win

Edited September 25, 2015 by WildCard

[WildCard]

@SalSports

Been watching Dolphins first two games. A couple things stand out......(cont)..

 

1. Tannehill's been very good at extending plays. If Bills DL doesn't get him down, DBs have to cover for extra 2 secs, or watch for run..

 

2. Dolphins have had a ton if issues running the ball. So, they've gone to more read-option, end-arounds, etc to try and get it going...

 

..and that's when they actually run the ball. Fins have basically abandoned it the first two weeks because it's been so poor. 78/34 pass/run

 

@TBNSports

Five Things To Know About the #Dolphins, from #Bills beat reporter @JaySkurski: http://galleries.buffalonews.com/default.aspx?id=4916#/0

1) Dolphins desperate for a win

2) Dolphins offensive line is an issue for them

3) Dolphins had 13 penalties last week, 19 overall (6th in NFL) Bills lead the league with 25

4) Jarvis Landry is a stud

5) Suh has just 3 tackles this year, Dolphins have 1 sack so far

@BuffaloBillsPR

#Bills QB Tyrod Taylor ranks in the Top 5 of all @NFL QBs in both completion pct (75.5%) & yards-per-attempt (8.92)

Edited September 25, 2015 by WildCard

[WildCard]

A poster over at TBD is nice enough to update the weekly expert picks for the Bills, his name is CodeMonkey over there. Cudos to him for all the work, here are this weeks results for the Dolphins game

 

CBS with Spread (Bills +2.5) : 4 take the Bills and 4 take the Fish. (http://www.cbssports...st-the-spread/3)

CBS Straight Up:4 take the Bills and 4 take the Fish. (http://www.cbssports...s/straight-up/3)

ESPN: 7 and the computer take the Bills and 6 take the Fish. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks)

Microsoft Cortana (Really bad week, Went 6-10 in week 2): Fish win 59,8% chance.  (http://www.cortanapredictions.com/)

FiveThirtyEight (Really bad week, Went 7-8  (one was a draw) in week 2): Fish 51% Bills 49% (http://projects.five...fl-predictions/)

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181254-experts-picks-week-3-versus-the-smelly-fish/

[calti]

We should be at the point where we are at least competitive with the Pats--not saying  as good but belonging on the same field.We werent sunday.-

TT at least shows potential out there altho he made some mistakes. He has the essentials like the ability to throw a decently accurate long pass;

unlike EJ who will never start on purpose in this league because he is a joke as a passer.

Dareus and mario both took last sunday off. We've seen both of them already take a season off(altho excuses on both sides may have been legit).

Neither of them has an excuse this year. They both need to play like big time players.Esp Dareus. This team will get torn to shreds by any good QB 

with a repeat of last week's non passrush.Zillion dollar d linemen arent supposed to need the support of a full blitz. This isnt supposed to be Kelsay

and that other guy--the way overrated high motor guy we have 10 yrs ago.

[dEnnis the Menace]

We should be at the point where we are at least competitive with the Pats--not saying  as good but belonging on the same field.We werent sunday.-

TT at least shows potential out there altho he made some mistakes. He has the essentials like the ability to throw a decently accurate long pass;

unlike EJ who will never start on purpose in this league because he is a joke as a passer.

Dareus and mario both took last sunday off. We've seen both of them already take a season off(altho excuses on both sides may have been legit).

Neither of them has an excuse this year. They both need to play like big time players.Esp Dareus. This team will get torn to shreds by any good QB 

with a repeat of last week's non passrush.Zillion dollar d linemen arent supposed to need the support of a full blitz. This isnt supposed to be Kelsay

and that other guy--the way overrated high motor guy we have 10 yrs ago.

 

Aaron Schobel? #2 in sacks in Bills all-time history?  That way overrated guy? 

[LGR4GM]

This might be a fun exercise...

 

You can add any 3 players to the Bills in the league, except a QB.  Who would you add?

JJ Watt, Jason Peters, and Todd Gurley

[shrader]

This might be a fun exercise...

 

You can add any 3 players to the Bills in the league, except a QB.  Who would you add?

JJ Watt, Jason Peters, and Todd Gurley

 

You're such a homer.  Any list here would have to be nothing but o-linemen.  Or maybe some love for a Revis type shutdown corner.

[That Aud Smell]

This might be a fun exercise...

 

You can add any 3 players to the Bills in the league, except a QB.  Who would you add?

JJ Watt, Jason Peters, and Todd Gurley

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