Claude_Verret Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I mean the concept of suspending him for 4 games over deflating footballs is maybe ridiculous, but the fact that he consistently lied about everything and that his isn't the first time this organization has cheated is pretty bullish IMO. Is there an example in another North American sport where an organization has as blatantly cheated this continuously and reaped prominent success over that same time period, only to go minimally punished? Nope. Cheat, lie, obfuscate, deflect....and receive minimal punishment. Why would they stop now? Quote
WildCard Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Oh and you know what's really gonna be fun? The next round of CBA negotiations Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Oh and you know what's really gonna be fun? The next round of CBA negotiations I wonder if this ruling just took the NFL's punishment system from a CBA bargaining chip to something which will have to be addressed by the league before the CBA expires. Quote
K-9 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Sure did. Judge Berman's opinion literally says "An arbitrator's factual findings are generally not open to judicial challenge, and we accept the facts as the arbitrator found them." So a federal judge told us we can call Brady a cheater. That's my silver lining here. LOL! I just read the same quote from Berman's ruling and had the exact same thought. GO BILLS!!! Quote
Taro T Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Posted September 3, 2015 That's the biggest problem. It went from a negative to a positive for Brady. It turned into some sort of victory against injustice. To a degree. To his rabid Cheatriot followers this will be viewed as vindication unfortunately even though it is a rebuke of how Goodell and the league handled the matter rather than a finding that Marcia (sorry, couldn't stand her as a kid and can't stand him now - they're equal in my book) didn't cheat and lie. To the rest of the world, he's still a cheater and a liar; much as OJ is a murderer regardless of whether Marcia Clark (so it IS always Marcia ;)) was competant enough to get a conviction or not. Hopefully the Bills put a world of hurting on him 2 weeks from Sunday. Quote
shrader Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 The old rule "Any publicity is good publicity" may be not true for the league; I think they're big enough at this point where they don't need this kind of publicity to further their market/exposure Thanks to this story the NFL was in the news for just about every single day of the offseason. This was very good for them. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kraft and Goodell are off somewhere in secret right now, sharing a swim in the corporate Scrooge McDuck money pool. To a degree. To his rabid Cheatriot followers this will be viewed as vindication unfortunately even though it is a rebuke of how Goodell and the league handled the matter rather than a finding that Marcia (sorry, couldn't stand her as a kid and can't stand him now - they're equal in my book) didn't cheat and lie. To the rest of the world, he's still a cheater and a liar; much as OJ is a murderer regardless of whether Marcia Clark (so it IS always Marcia ;)) was competant enough to get a conviction or not. Hopefully the Bills put a world of hurting on him 2 weeks from Sunday. All that matters in the eyes of the fans is that their player is on the field. They got exactly what they wanted. Quote
K-9 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 This is pretty much where I am as well. I'd go a bit further and say that as a (somewhat conflicted) NFL fan, I would not have wanted Brady -- one of the best 2 or 3 players in the game -- to miss 4 games of the season for something so inconsequential. It's inconsequential for a player to offer compensation to team employees to engage in efforts to undermine the game officials' duty to ensure compliance with league rules? GO BILLS!!! Quote
thewookie1 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I'm waiting for the book "How I would've deflated the footballs" by Tom Brady Quote
X. Benedict Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I'm waiting for the book "How I would've deflated the footballs" by Tom Brady That would be a good one. Quote
wjag Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I wish the network coverage would get 10 high school QBs and give them a test to see if they could pick out 3 under inflated balls out of 10 total. My guess is they could do it without error. Then show that film on NFL network. Quote
WildCard Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks to this story the NFL was in the news for just about every single day of the offseason. This was very good for them. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kraft and Goodell are off somewhere in secret right now, sharing a swim in the corporate Scrooge McDuck money pool. Aren't they already in the news that much? I mean, they were in the news last year for the Rice fiasco, but that doesn't mean they wanted it. There's no way the league can like what this case has done for their image Quote
MattPie Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I wish the network coverage would get 10 high school QBs and give them a test to see if they could pick out 3 under inflated balls out of 10 total. My guess is they could do it without error. Then show that film on NFL network. Maybe we should submit it to Mythbusters. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks to this story the NFL was in the news for just about every single day of the offseason. This was very good for them. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kraft and Goodell are off somewhere in secret right now, sharing a swim in the corporate Scrooge McDuck money pool. If not quite this cynical. I doubt the owners are upset this story has kept the league in the news, but is also guess there not too pleased to come out on the losing end of yet another court decision. Eventually they might end up in court on something that matters...if/when that happens I think they'd prefer not to be there under the leadership of a commissioner who conducts business in a way that always loses. They could have won this case if Goodell don't live and breath arbitrary behavior, all while still getting the same press. I just can't get to a place where I believe the owners don't care at all about continual court losses. Is Goodell's financial value added really that much higher than a potential replacement that he's worth putting up with this stuff for? The NFL could cover Manhattan in qualified candidates if they wanted a new commish. Quote
musichunch Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) If not quite this cynical. I doubt the owners are upset this story has kept the league in the news, but is also guess there not too pleased to come out on the losing end of yet another court decision. Eventually they might end up in court on something that matters...if/when that happens I think they'd prefer not to be there under the leadership of a commissioner who conducts business in a way that always loses. They could have won this case if Goodell don't live and breath arbitrary behavior, all while still getting the same press. I just can't get to a place where I believe the owners don't care at all about continual court losses. Is Goodell's financial value added really that much higher than a potential replacement that he's worth putting up with this stuff for? The NFL could cover Manhattan in qualified candidates if they wanted a new commish. This wasn't just about Brady. This was specific NFL owners vs Bob Kraft. As big a loss for the Colts and Ravens as it is for Goodell. I've noticed that whenever there is a major story out that smears a large organization, there is usually in-fighting at the top level. Snowden, Trump, etc. Factions of executives trying to humiliate another faction. ESPN has been beating this story to death all off-season. If the NFL could get Bill Simmons fired and Bill Polian to change his interview stance in real-time, they can get the Worldwide Leader to cut down on the coverage. Somebody in an important position liked this story. Edited September 3, 2015 by musichunch Quote
darksabre Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Wait, there's a game tonight? Quote
WildCard Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Wait, there's a game tonight?There is but it's completely meaningless, unless you want to watch why O'Leary should be cut Edited September 4, 2015 by WildCard Quote
Eleven Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Well, Davis just got cut. That pass was perfect. Quote
WildCard Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Well, Davis just got cut. That pass was perfect.It fell within arms reach of him, and he literally just let it fall without trying to catch it. Quote
Ogre Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Urbik with "the ghost" snap. Pretty damn funny. Quote
Eleven Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 This is the worst pre-season game I ever have watched. That says something. The NFL needs to get rid of the preseason more than it needs to get rid of cheaters. Quote
Eleven Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Also: I am watching the Detroit broadcast, which makes the pathetic WKBW team look like Monday Night Football in its heyday. Quote
Hoss Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Rex, sounding pissed as hell, insinuated that Dan Carpenter will be cut. Quote
darksabre Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Rex, sounding pissed as hell, insinuated that Dan Carpenter will be cut. Was he that bad again tonight? Quote
Hoss Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Was he that bad again tonight? Shtoinked a 40 yarder off the goal post. Something just seems off with him. I don't know who is out there. Josh Scobee was traded a few days ago. Quote
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