off topic Buffalo Bills 2015

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No. It is not my goal in being here. My goal in being here is to discuss sports and be a fan. My goals outside of here are none of your business unless it is relevant to the discussion or I bring it up. Neither of which are true here. Move on.

 

 

Doesn't matter.  If that is how you think, then, you're on your way to being a star in the media.

We can many other events that are far more recent to support this as well.  Go look through some of the stuff talked about in the politics thread and see how stories evolved after the initial witch hunt from the media.  We're in such a ratings driven rush nowadays that we just immediately report these stories without actually digging up any info on them.  You'd think that people would learn from this stuff and actually let a story play out a bit before casting judgement.  I know that I want to hear more of this story before casting him aside or keeping him with the team, but unfortunately that's a rare opinion today.

 

 

HANDS UP! DON'T SHOOT!

If you're going to reference my job then the only relevance here is that I sift through police reports every single day and completely understand that they are not entirely based in facts. I likely have more experience in dealing with police reports and understanding them than anybody here outside of those with experience in the field of law.

 

 

 

I did your job - I did more than your job.  I was in the media. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Again, I KNOW that the report isn't fact. I KNOW that there's still a long way to go before he is convicted of anything (it may never happen). I KNOW these things just as much as you do. But I also know that the team shouldn't be waiting around for the judicial system. The league and its teams have moved beyond that lazy way of doing things. They need to move on.

 

Why?  What if that police report is 95% wrong?  Then what?

And here we have the dip-sh*t Schopp, saying people are "defending" the guy because he's important to the Bills.  How about people are sick of people's rights being abused by the media, how about people sick of what they're seeing is happening with the establishment out there?   How about people tired of the media tearing people apart with the impatience a child has on Christmas morning? 

[Hoss]

 

Why?  What if that police report is 95% wrong?  Then what?

Then we've still have an offensive line coach who puts himself in ###### situations. Kromer was a bad hire in the first place considering his history as a guy who is completely willing to throw everybody else in the locker room under the bus.

 

What magical scenario is there where Kromer has zero fault and didn't put himself in a bad situation?

He walks down to retrieve chairs that were stolen from his property and taken elsewhere. He says "please can I have my chairs back?" They respond by swearing and attacking him. He swings in self defense and punches one in the face and then walks away without the teenagers that just attacked him following him for retaliation.

 

###### Aaron Kromer.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Hoss

[nfreeman]

I think it's time to chill out on this one boys.

 

I also think that while it may not be necessary to wait until the judicial process has exhausted itself, a bit of time to let Kromer tell his side of the story and let more facts out is probably advised.

[Eleven]

One - AGAIN, I don't know how many ###### times I have to repeat this... I am NOT here as a member of the media. Any reference to that is entirely irrelevant and insulting.

Two - It was too dark for him to realize he was punching a teenager, but it wasn't dark enough for him to not threaten to kill their family... Because adults definitely threaten to kill other adults' families.

 

Reality is that there is very little supporting him at this point. VERY little. In REALITY, there is nothing supporting Kromer aside from the hope that the teenagers were lying. There are very few scenarios where Kromer can come out of this looking like anything but an idiot who deserves to be fired.

We have no reports of injuries to anybody but the one teenager... If there was an actual scuffle there would be other reported injuries. The report that his son stuck around to assist them after his alleged ###### father decided to punch one of them in the face is damning. Why would he do that if he was just involved or witnessed them fighting with his father?

 

Sorry. There just aren't any avenues that look good here. Kromer should've been fired already.

 

That, or not telling the whole truth.  Agree w/ you there.

 

 

Have we not paid any attention to the progress the league has made in not waiting around for the judicial system? The Bills should not be waiting around for the judicial system here. Just like the Bears didn't wait for the judicial system on Ray McDonald. If this were any other team we wouldn't be defending Kromer. Most wouldn't care but those who would would have wondered why he wasn't fired already...

 

I don't think they are.  See my post from yesterday at around 5pm.  There's no other reason for those guys to be in Buffalo right now, with training camp roughly 3 weeks and 65 miles away.

[Hoss]

That, or not telling the whole truth. Agree w/ you there.

 

 

 

I don't think they are. See my post from yesterday at around 5pm. There's no other reason for those guys to be in Buffalo right now, with training camp roughly 3 weeks and 65 miles away.

Ah, yes. I forgot about that post.

I will wait a few more days before assuming they're waiting on the judicial system. Their silence aside from a one-sentence statement might mean they are still gathering facts.

 

They have likely already talked to Kromer and/or his attorney(s), so they've likely heard his side.

[Eleven]

On the lighter side, apparently Duke Williams has been a little too persistent in his pursuit of one young woman.  Caution, some words in this are not safe for work:

 

http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/07/mia-khalifa-exposes-duke-williams-for-sliding-into-her-dms?utm_campaign=complexmag+socialflow+07+2015&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

[That Aud Smell]

I think it's time to chill out on this one boys.

 

Hear, hear.

 

And I can't understand anyone getting exercised over the fact that the Bills are waiting more than - what - a day (or two or three) to decide on whether to separate an employee following an incident that occurred in the middle of night somewhere down in Florida.

 

Their silence aside from a one-sentence statement might mean they are still gathering facts.

 

Maybe. 

 

On the lighter side, apparently Duke Williams has been a little too persistent in his pursuit of one young woman.  Caution, some words in this are not safe for work:

 

http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/07/mia-khalifa-exposes-duke-williams-for-sliding-into-her-dms?utm_campaign=complexmag+socialflow+07+2015&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

Holy ###### - I heard about that. I feel bad for the young man. He just comes across as a horny pro ball player. His DMs were fairly innocent too. No ###### pics being alleged either. And, hey: She had to follow him back in order to get his DMs yeah? 

 

Jive activity on the porn star's part. But funny just the same.

Edited July 13, 2015 by That Aud Smell

[Johnny DangerFace]

Are you two saying we should have a porn (star?) thread?

 

If you say so.

[WildCard]

"His dick game is A1."  :lol:

[tom webster]

No. It is not my goal in being here. My goal in being here is to discuss sports and be a fan. My goals outside of here are none of your business unless it is relevant to the discussion or I bring it up. Neither of which are true here. Move on. If you're going to reference my job then the only relevance here is that I sift through police reports every single day and completely understand that they are not entirely based in facts. I likely have more experience in dealing with police reports and understanding them than anybody here outside of those with experience in the field of law.

 

The FACTS were have right now - teenagers claim that Kromer came at them heated about CHAIRS and pushed one before punching him on the face and launching the pole into the water. They claim that. No disputing that. We also have the FACT that the individual who was allegedly punched has injuries to his face consistent with a strike to the face. We also know that there are no other reported injuries, and we also know that Kromer hasn't even claimed self defense yet (which seems to be what everybody here wants to do for him).

 

Again, I KNOW that the report isn't fact. I KNOW that there's still a long way to go before he is convicted of anything (it may never happen). I KNOW these things just as much as you do. But I also know that the team shouldn't be waiting around for the judicial system. The league and its teams have moved beyond that lazy way of doing things. They need to move on.

 

a) I enjoy reading your post and point of view no matter how much I disagree with you at times.

b) I'm sorry. In my opinion, and in the opinion of the civilized world before there was an internet, a true journalist has an ethical obligation to not let his opinion condemn someone without knowing all the facts.  If your goal is to be a true journalist then it is relevant to everything you write. You don't get to be a journalist in one life and a fan in another. You can state your opinion of what should happen, what kind of character the guy has, etc. but as a journalist, you, more then anyone have an ethical obligation to not convict someone without all the facts. Again, this is strictly my opinion and I know some my closest friends and my adult son disagree with me. 

b) I enjoy reading your post and point of view no matter how much I disagree with you at times.

c) You are not the first person today who has said how can he say he didn't know who they were and yet apparently threaten their family. If in fact that did happen, couldn't he have reacted to a perceived threat by pushing back, even punching and then afterwards realizing who they were, try to scare them into keeping quiet?

 

Again, I have a hard time defending the man but I have been in similar situations with "juveniles" were it took all of my will power to not take a swing at one of them. Anyone who has worked fast food third shift at anytime in their life would probably know what I am talking about.

[That Aud Smell]

If your goal is to be a true journalist then it is relevant to everything you write. You don't get to be a journalist in one life and a fan in another. 

 

the poster's insistence on those things being maintained in wholly separate "silos" is ... perplexing to me.

 

(given that he apparently did not come to the board as an anonymous person.)

Edited July 13, 2015 by That Aud Smell

[Eleven]

Hear, hear.

 

And I can't understand anyone getting exercised over the fact that the Bills are waiting more than - what - a day (or two or three) to decide on whether to separate an employee following an incident that occurred in the middle of night somewhere down in Florida.

 

 

Maybe. 

 

 

Holy ###### - I heard about that. I feel bad for the young man. He just comes across as a horny pro ball player. His DMs were fairly innocent too. No ###### pics being alleged either. And, hey: She had to follow him back in order to get his DMs yeah? 

 

Jive activity on the porn star's part. But funny just the same.

 

I love this.

 

And yeah, Duke didn't do anything offensive. He was just too persistent.

"His dick game is A1."  :lol:

 

If I'm that woman's BF, I am walking TALL tonight!

Edited July 13, 2015 by Eleven

[Weave]

 

 

If I'm that woman's BF, I am walking TALL tonight!

 

She's a porn star, right?  He's under pressure to walk tall EVERY night.

[Eleven]

She's a porn star, right?  He's under pressure to walk tall EVERY night.

 

That's one way of thinking.

 

The other is, well, she gets banged for a living, but he's the man that makes her happy.  I mean, that profession is her choice, right?

 

(Apparently I have no morals anymore.)

[drnkirishone]

Kromer should be held to the same standard the players are. how many would be defending one of the Bills for beating up a teenager over some chairs? even if the story is 95% bs by the teenagers. you still have someone that went out into the night to look for some chairs and had a confrontation with someone. there is no way this can be spun as a positive. if this was one of his Offensive lineman we would be saying dumbass should have just turned around went home and called the cops

[Eleven]

Kromer should be held to the same standard the players are. how many would be defending one of the Bills for beating up a teenager over some chairs? even if the story is 95% bs by the teenagers. you still have someone that went out into the night to look for some chairs and had a confrontation with someone. there is no way this can be spun as a positive. if this was one of his Offensive lineman we would be saying dumbass should have just turned around went home and called the cops

 

I don't think anyone is defending anyone.  I think most of us are just waiting to hear the other side of the story.  Just relax.  Try to breathe through your nose.  It will be ok.

[drnkirishone]

I don't think anyone is defending anyone.  I think most of us are just waiting to hear the other side of the story.  Just relax.  Try to breathe through your nose.  It will be ok.

now see this type of answer makes me understand why Hoss goes a bit crazy at times. I am very relaxed. All I am saying is with the facts we have there is no way to spin this as good decision making on Kromers part. If it comes out that a madman had a gun to Kromers head and made him throw the fishing pole and punch one of them in the face I will apologize. What should happen is the team suspends him until they have all the facts and make a decision.

Edited July 14, 2015 by drnkirishone

[Taro T]

now see this type of answer makes me understand why Hoss goes a bit crazy at times. I am very relaxed. All I am saying is with the facts we have there is no way to spin this as good decision making on Kromers part. If it comes out that a madman had a gun to Kromers head and made him throw the fishing pole and punch one of them in the face I will apologize. What should happen is the team suspends him until they have all the facts and make a decision.

Purely playing devil's advocate. What if he didn't punch the young man but was trying to wrestle the chair from him and the young man ended up hitting himself in the face w/ the chair? (Pulled that hypothetical from the TBD thread about the incident.) What if one of the young men threw one of his chairs and he responded by throwing the fishing rod? Could he have said something other than "I'll kill your family" in the confusion of the confrontation?

 

Are any a good decision? No. Would any actually result in a battery conviction? Doubtful. Should any be fireable? Doubtful.

 

He very well could be guilty; perhaps he did something more flagrant than the cop stated. (We don't even have the accusers' statements. They were redacted.) In this country, you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. A bunch of you sound like Ed Meese.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Taro T

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now see this type of answer makes me understand why Hoss goes a bit crazy at times. I am very relaxed. All I am saying is with the facts we have there is no way to spin this as good decision making on Kromers part. If it comes out that a madman had a gun to Kromers head and made him throw the fishing pole and punch one of them in the face I will apologize. What should happen is the team suspends him until they have all the facts and make a decision.

 

THERE ARE NO FACTS YET.  THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TRIAL OR PLEA.

[drnkirishone]

THERE ARE NO FACTS YET.  THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TRIAL OR PLEA.

typing in caps does not make your statement true. You seem obsessed with this line.

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typing in caps does not make your statement true. You seem obsessed with this line.

 

Hmmmmmmmm....

 

Okay, what are the facts, ma'am?

[Hoss]

Hmmmmmmmm....

 

Okay, what are the facts, ma'am?

The facts will not matter. We, nor the court system, will not no the facts barring an honest confession or video.

The facts right now: Kromer was arrested and a teenager has facial injuries consistent with being punched in the face. There are other facts such as time, location, etc. but the relevant facts are above.

 

The rest is just hearsay and who knows. The FACT that the kid has an injury consistent to what he told police and the FACT that the police felt that they had enough to place him under arrest are troubling for our o-line coach.

[tom webster]

The facts will not matter. We, nor the court system, will not no the facts barring an honest confession or video.

The facts right now: Kromer was arrested and a teenager has facial injuries consistent with being punched in the face. There are other facts such as time, location, etc. but the relevant facts are above.

 

The rest is just hearsay and who knows. The FACT that the kid has an injury consistent to what he told police and the FACT that the police felt that they had enough to place him under arrest are troubling for our o-line coach.

And I could find a hundred cases within the last six months that had similar facts were charges were later dropped. You could wipe out the national debt if we could just replace innocent till proven guilty with innocent till arrested.

[drnkirishone]

And I could find a hundred cases within the last six months that had similar facts were charges were later dropped. You could wipe out the national debt if we could just replace innocent till proven guilty with innocent till arrested.

and yet no one is saying to throw him in jail unless he proves his innocence.

[tom webster]

and yet no one is saying to throw him in jail unless he proves his innocence.

Unfortunately, in these type of arguments, it becomes black and white and everyone is put into two camps. I have no idea what your personal opinion is because I haven't followed your every post but I know some have labeled him guilty as charged.