Randall Flagg Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 True, but Kessel had 37 goals while Hall had 27. They do get their points in different ways, and I concede that we need more of the 35-45 goal-scorer-variety of forwards. I just think I'd take Hall, who has 130 points in his last 120 games at 23 years old, over Kessel or Vanek, presently, and probably also over Kessel a few years ago, but that's mainly because I've never once liked Phil Kessel at all. As far as what it would take to get Hall on our team? I don't know what it would take but I bet the price is something Tim, and thus I, would balk at. Quote
Johnny DangerFace Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 I will say this, if we want a pure sniper, skinner would be much easier to obtain. He is younger and just as good of a goal scorer. However, his size and injury concerns are even more of an issue. And he lacks the playmaking skills of hall. Definitely not as good, but is nonetheless a pure goal scorer who is cheaper to get Quote
Samson's Flow Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) So Hall is in a leadership role and doesn't want to adapt and you think he'll suddenly change when he's not in one? I'm not sure the logic plays out. I wouldn't trade the stable for him. Hall is a very good player but right now the Sabres have put themselves in a great position to set themselves up for awhile. They are already competitive and they should improve. Trading away 1st round picks, in a deep draft, is insane. If it's possible to pull talent like Perry and Getzlaf from this draft I would not trade those away to Edmonton for Hall. I just don't see the Sabres giving away their #1 picks this year unless it's something amazing. Certainly not their #1 picks AND players for 1 player. I don't think there is one 23 year old who would react like everyone here seems to want him to when he is the best player on a bad team who also is thrust into leading the team. I know I am certainly a much different person now than I was at 23. Maybe, just maybe, being able to take a back seat on the leading the team out of suckitude will allow Taylor Hall to focus more on his game and produce without the leadership tag distracting him. Let established veterans lead the locker room. The Sabres may not have tons of talent right now, but I do think we have strong veteran leadership. Edited December 16, 2014 by Touched by Boyes Quote
LabattBlue Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) A guy who can't stay healthy early in his career, is only going to break down more as the game takes its toll on his body. I'll pass...especially considering some of the proposals being thrown around here, and the comments about his unwillingness to change his style of play. Injury history... Edited December 16, 2014 by LabattBlue Quote
Samson's Flow Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 A guy who can't stay healthy early in his career, is only going to break down more as the game takes its toll on his body. I'll pass...especially considering some of the proposals being thrown around here, and the comments about his unwillingness to change his style of play. I will say that players of Hall's talent that have the work ethic and hustle of our Girgensons are never available in trades and rarely if ever see Free Agency. The only time players of that talent level are available for trade are when there are work ethic/maturity issues. Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 Some pretty intense and fun discussion going on here about Hall. Good job, everybody. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 Edmonton is such a tire fire that I'm not worried about whatever "adapting issues" they say Hall has. Sounds like the exact sort of thing that disappears when a change of scenery trade happens. I'd take Hall in a heartbeat. Quote
dudacek Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 Look, I'm not in love with the player, but let's not undersell his value: the Sabres haven't had a player of Hall's talent since Patty and Alex were lighting it up. He's got his flaws - and is apparently a bit of an arrogant dick - but he is a top 10 scorer in this league. Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 I don't really understand what the big deal about him refusing to adapt to a terrible system is. He didn't want to adapt to the shitshow. Good for him. Quote
Eleven Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 Some pretty intense and fun discussion going on here about Hall. Good job, everybody. We're glad you're proud of us. Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) We're glad you're proud of us. ... Did you really have to be a dick? Can't even say a nice thing with one of the old-timers deciding to be a total douche. What a joke. Edited December 16, 2014 by Tank Quote
LGR4GM Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Hall won't likely get traded til the draft or maybe the deadline if someone gets a little crazy. Not sure how it plays out but I am not sure Buffalo will make a play for him. I would guess it would be Ristolainen 1st round pick, and Compher/Grigorenko someone along those lines to get the ball rolling. I just am not sure that is worth it. If you could do Pysyk/McCabe, NYI 1st, and then a forward be it prospect or NHL level maybe. If I were Edm and Buffalo came calling for Hall: A 2015 1st, Ristolainen, JT Compher, and Cody Hodgson and Nick Deslauriers. ... Did you really have to be a dick? Can't even say a nice thing with one of the old-timers deciding to be a total douche. What a joke. I will give you unsolicited advice, when they are like that it is best to ignore them or respond with humor. Edited December 16, 2014 by LGR4GM Quote
Drunkard Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 No way they'd ask for Hodgson. They have enough forwards that don't play defense. Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Hall won't likely get traded til the draft or maybe the deadline if someone gets a little crazy. Not sure how it plays out but I am not sure Buffalo will make a play for him. I would guess it would be Ristolainen 1st round pick, and Compher/Grigorenko someone along those lines to get the ball rolling. I just am not sure that is worth it. If you could do Pysyk/McCabe, NYI 1st, and then a forward be it prospect or NHL level maybe. If I were Edm and Buffalo came calling for Hall: A 2015 1st, Ristolainen, JT Compher, and Cody Hodgson and Nick Deslauriers. I will give you unsolicited advice, when they are like that it is best to ignore them or respond with humor. I'm not one to ignore people who feel they're better than everybody else and can just come into a place that isn't theirs and attempt to run it. Not that fighting it will ever get anywhere since they're so entrenched in their ways. Edited December 16, 2014 by Tank Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 It's humor, relax! It was an attempt to show me up. I was complimenting the board and you just HAD to come back with something sarcastic instead of just letting it be. Quote
Eleven Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 It was nice of you to compliment the board. And the discussion has been entertaining. Now stop being so touchy. Quote
Hoss Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 It was nice of you to compliment the board. And the discussion has been entertaining. Now stop being so touchy. Or you could, ya know, not bring your sarcastic garbage to everything I say. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 Captain Eleven never means to hurt anybody's feelings. Angry Eleven... not so much. Or you could, ya know, not bring your sarcastic garbage to everything I say. Quote
LGR4GM Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 ^ this It was a hard lesson I had to learn on here. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 http://youtu.be/crHqgShbhbQ well my day is made. Quote
WildCard Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 http://youtu.be/crHqgShbhbQ :mellow: Quote
sicknfla Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Tank get your butt in this house. Now Eleven tell him your sorry. Say it Eleven or your not going back outside. Ok Tank he said sorry. Now go play. Sometimes this board reminds me of my kids. Edited December 16, 2014 by sicknfla Quote
Eleven Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 I'm putting you all on notice, my annual Christmas poem is coming due soon. Quote
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