What would you do with Reinhart?

[qwksndmonster]

Geez Louise. The Reinhart-sky-may-be-falling school of thought is madness. Madness.

 

He was arguably the best forward prospect in a weak draft. Get over it.

Aye.

 

It's not really a sky is falling as much as it is an observation that our highest pick since Turgeon isn't looking like the flashy uber-talented guy the fans need to rally around.

 

It is a sort of, we finished in last for this? We are cognizant of the fact that patience is warranted, but a guy that isn't putting up occassional wows is a little disappointing, no?

It's Darcy's fault (throwback!) for waiting and waiting and not getting in on MacKinnon or Drouin.

[Weave]

 

It's Darcy's fault (throwback!) for waiting and waiting and not getting in on MacKinnon or Drouin.

 

There is truthi-ness in that statement. We bottomed out in a draft class that maybe lacked elite level talent when the right time to bottom out was in a shortened season with a near elite level player at the top of the board. Such is the life of a Sabres fan.

[SabresBillsFan]

 

 

There is truthi-ness in that statement. We bottomed out in a draft class that maybe lacked elite level talent when the right time to bottom out was in a shortened season with a near elite level player at the top of the board. Such is the life of a Sabres fan.

 

Most will agree with this.

[mjd1001]

In a year or two, if he's on a positive development track, why not trade him for established talent? GMTM has said he has no appetite for a five-year rebuild, and I think he's on record as saying some of the prospects and picks could be turned around for "real NHL players" (my term) when the team is closer to competing. And I would think that calculus changes dramatically if the Sabres get a generational player in the next draft.

 

Just something to chew on. Don't fall in love with any of these kids. Tim seems like just the cold-hearted, dead-eyed kind of guy who would trade his mother.

 

On the other hand, you might want to keep players like him (and next years picks) developing even if they take 3-5 years to reach potential. You put together a very good, competing team with what you have now as the current young players come into their own (Risto, Girgensons, Grigo, etc.) Then in 3-5 years, as they come up for contract, or older players like Ennis, Stewart, etc come up for a BIG contract, you have to worry less about overpaying them because you have the next set of young guys who are ready for the NHL to plug in.

 

I personally like that idea the best. I'm not even big on trading prospects for top players, I'm more of the mind of always developing your prospects and when they are ready (if even 3+ years after they are drafted), to plug them in then.

[TrueBlueGED]

In a year or two, if he's on a positive development track, why not trade him for established talent? GMTM has said he has no appetite for a five-year rebuild, and I think he's on record as saying some of the prospects and picks could be turned around for "real NHL players" (my term) when the team is closer to competing. And I would think that calculus changes dramatically if the Sabres get a generational player in the next draft.

 

Just something to chew on. Don't fall in love with any of these kids. Tim seems like just the cold-hearted, dead-eyed kind of guy who would trade his mother.

 

I really don't understand this line of reasoning. If he's on a positive development curve, in two years he'll be established NHL talent, and on a value contract to boot. The only way we consider moving him is if he's been a disappointment.

[IKnowPhysics]

Oh give me a break.

No you give me a break.

 

Get over it.

NO YOU GET OVER IT.

[LastPommerFan]

Maybe physically. Emotionally and maturity? Not so much.

 

Absolutely, but I feel like the main questions with Samson (like Toews) are physical.

 

At least at North Dakota, Toews was playing against some fully grown men with speed and size that he had to adjust to. In the WHL Samson will be playing against 16 year old boys who he can dance circles around without ever needing to adjust anything speed or strength wise.

 

The CHL may be more talented, but if the prospect needs to develop physically it's just absolutely the wrong venue.

[SabresBillsFan]

 

 

Absolutely, but I feel like the main questions with Samson (like Toews) are physical.

 

At least at North Dakota, Toews was playing against some fully grown men with speed and size that he had to adjust to. In the WHL Samson will be playing against 16 year old boys who he can dance circles around without ever needing to adjust anything speed or strength wise.

 

The CHL may be more talented, but if the prospect needs to develop physically it's just absolutely the wrong venue.

 

The agreement that the NHL and CHL sucks but until something is done with it they will have to decide to keep him or send him back. I'm all for sending him back. Their is no need to rush him when clearly he isn't ready to be in the top 6. I don't think u keep him up and end up with another Grigs situation. Reinhart and Zadorov both really need to be developing in the AHL but can't.

[darksabre]

In a year or two, if he's on a positive development track, why not trade him for established talent? GMTM has said he has no appetite for a five-year rebuild, and I think he's on record as saying some of the prospects and picks could be turned around for "real NHL players" (my term) when the team is closer to competing. And I would think that calculus changes dramatically if the Sabres get a generational player in the next draft.

 

Just something to chew on. Don't fall in love with any of these kids. Tim seems like just the cold-hearted, dead-eyed kind of guy who would trade his mother.

 

The Seguin effect?

[MBHockey13]

It's insane to call a 18 year old a bust after one development camp, one prospects tournament, and three preseason games.

 

I hate to see what people say if we're blessed enough to get McDavid or Eichel and he doesn't put up four points in his first exhibition.

[Andrew Amerk]

Give him the 9, see how he looks.

 

He doesn't have much more to prove in his former league, and will need to start adjusting to the NHL at some point.

 

I would lean towards keeping him up no matter what, but that's just me. He is more mentally developed than Grigs was when we kept him up, so I think he'd be fine.

[sicknfla]

It's insane to call a 18 year old a bust after one development camp, one prospects tournament, and three preseason games.

 

I hate to see what people say if we're blessed enough to get McDavid or Eichel and he doesn't put up four points in his first exhibition.

 

I don't think anybody is labeling him a bust. Just think after going through a season like we did we were expecting a little more. He will most likely end up being a fine player.

[Hoss]

 

 

I don't think anybody is labeling him a bust. Just think after going through a season like we did we were expecting a little more. He will most likely end up being a fine player.

 

Who is we?

[darksabre]

 

 

I don't think anybody is labeling him a bust. Just think after going through a season like we did we were expecting a little more. He will most likely end up being a fine player.

 

So essentially the only issue here is that you're impatient?

[Hoss]

I feel like ecerybody (including those in the organization) screaming about this rebuild taking time would've calmed this type of talk.

[sicknfla]

 

 

So essentially the only issue here is that you're impatient?

 

According to my wife I am the most impatient person she knows. I think you nailed it.

[darksabre]

According to my wife I am the most impatient person she knows. I think you nailed it.

 

:lol:

[Hoss]

I flush the toilet before I'm done peeing, but I don't think there's enough time with Reinhart to make a legitimate judgement about anything.

[LastPommerFan]

I flush the toilet before I'm done peeing, but I don't think there's enough time with Reinhart to make a legitimate judgement about anything.

 

I'm not the only one!!!!

[MBHockey13]

Over at Die By the Blade, they have one of the most reasoned articles about being patient with Reinhart's development that I have seen on these here internets.

 

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2014/10/2/6890833/understanding-reinharts-game-is-a-key-in-viewing-his-development

[LGR4GM]

Samson Reinhart was the 1st forward taken in the draft. To that point, Leon Draisaitl the player taken after Samson has been, for now, given a roster spot on the Edmonton Oilers. Personally I don't care what Edmonton does and they lack the center depth Buffalo can muster. That being said my question then becomes do other people think it matters? or do you care if Leon plays the entire season while Sam goes down?

[Derrico]

I think I head heard Bennett is being sent down to juniors if we care what other teams are doing with their high draft picks (which we shouldn't).

[Huckleberry]

Don't think it will hurt much to send him back, just depends on how much he develops during his 9 game try out.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Heimdall

[nfreeman]

I don't think it matters a-tall what happens with the other high picks -- unless you want to take the (pretty reasonable) position that the Sabres should NOT do whatever Edmonton does.

[Hoss]

I think I head heard Bennett is being sent down to juniors if we care what other teams are doing with their high draft picks (which we shouldn't).

 

No decisions yet due to an injury for Bennett.