Terry and Kim Pegula, owners of the Sabres AND the Bills

[nfreeman]

Well, Terry came into Buffalo saying he didn't want to raise ticket prices. Then Ted Black et al took him aside and explained about the juicy league welfare check, and ticket prices, along with everything else, went way up. I can imagine Terry's at least smart enough to know that all the home games should be in OP, but I can also imagine the bean-counters would argue for the importance of regionalizing the franchise in Ontario, etc.

 

Nonsense.

[X. Benedict]

Well, Terry came into Buffalo saying he didn't want to raise ticket prices. Then Ted Black et al took him aside and explained about the juicy league welfare check, and ticket prices, along with everything else, went way up. I can imagine Terry's at least smart enough to know that all the home games should be in OP, but I can also imagine the bean-counters would argue for the importance of regionalizing the franchise in Ontario, etc.

 

Silly. Just Damn Silly. And you know this. The Sabres have an obligation to qualify for revenue sharing as per the CBA and the player oversight committee to continue to add revenue. But we've been through this,

 

Doesn't matter to you though. You continue to believe that the Sabres can magically opt out.

 

In hangman you have earned an O, T, and an S.

 

O _ t _ s _

[That Aud Smell]

In hangman you have earned an O, T, and an S.

 

O _ t _ s _

 

I think I've linked it before, but that word and this scene are personal favorites:

 

http://youtu.be/dakxwoVV7yM

[Stoner]

Nonsense.

 

Another tell that someone has lost an argument?

[darksabre]

Another tell that someone has lost an argument?

 

The fact that you think there even is an argument is the problem here. You think all the BS speculation you present as fact somehow carries any weight. But it doesn't. It's just you making things up in order to support a narrative.

 

There is no argument. Just one guy in urine stained clothes rambling on a virtual street corner. Which flavor of MD 20/20 is it today?

[That Aud Smell]

There is no argument. Just one guy in urine stained clothes rambling on a virtual street corner. Which flavor of MD 20/20 is it today?

 

Now, now. Not all street corner preachers wear urine-stained clothing.

 

[Stoner]

The fact that you think there even is an argument is the problem here. You think all the BS speculation you present as fact somehow carries any weight. But it doesn't. It's just you making things up in order to support a narrative.

 

There is no argument. Just one guy in urine stained clothes rambling on a virtual street corner. Which flavor of MD 20/20 is it today?

 

There is an argument. Unless X. knows more than Ted Black, there is no hard and fast mandate that the Sabres increase revenues to qualify for revenue sharing.

 

“It is important. We’re the smallest U.S.-based market in the NHL. Revenue sharing exists for a market just like Buffalo. … The obligation to grow as a league as a whole still exists. It’s not a written obligation but that’s what we’re trying to do – grow league revenues,” (Black) said.

 

I guess I could go read the CBA, but that ain't happening. Until then, I'm not taking any message board poster's word for it. I have Black's words on several occasions. I believe if the Sabres could pin the ticket price increases on some NHL edict, they would have already done so.

Edited September 10, 2014 by PASabreFan

[Weave]

The obligation to grow as a league as a whole still exists.

 

It's right here. Yes, it may not be contractual, but according to Black, there is an understood obligation nonetheless.

[Eleven]

If you're not a Bills fan, which is fine, why are you here? Just to rain on everyone else's parade?

[Taro T]

 

 

There is an argument. Unless X. knows more than Ted Black, there is no hard and fast mandate that the Sabres increase revenues to qualify for revenue sharing.

 

“It is important. We’re the smallest U.S.-based market in the NHL. Revenue sharing exists for a market just like Buffalo. … The obligation to grow as a league as a whole still exists. It’s not a written obligation but that’s what we’re trying to do – grow league revenues,” (Black) said.

 

I guess I could go read the CBA, but that ain't happening. Until then, I'm not taking any message board poster's word for it. I have Black's words on several occasions. I believe if the Sabres could pin the ticket price increases on some NHL edict, they would have already done so.

The bolded above is nearly sig worthy. :beer:

 

You literally said that you could research the issue but won't and won't believe anyone else until you do research the issue. :huh:

[drnkirishone]

If you're not a Bills fan, which is fine, why are you here? Just to rain on everyone else's parade?

to question the unquestionable to attack the unattackable to throw cold water but not in the name of als research

[shrader]

If you're not a Bills fan, which is fine, why are you here? Just to rain on everyone else's parade?

 

Yes

[Stoner]

The bolded above is nearly sig worthy. :beer:

 

You literally said that you could research the issue but won't and won't believe anyone else until you do research the issue. :huh:

 

I said I believe Ted. The difference between you and me is that I'm not arrogant enough to think I would understand the CBA.

[nfreeman]

There is an argument. Unless X. knows more than Ted Black, there is no hard and fast mandate that the Sabres increase revenues to qualify for revenue sharing.

 

“It is important. We’re the smallest U.S.-based market in the NHL. Revenue sharing exists for a market just like Buffalo. … The obligation to grow as a league as a whole still exists. It’s not a written obligation but that’s what we’re trying to do – grow league revenues,” (Black) said.

 

I guess I could go read the CBA, but that ain't happening. Until then, I'm not taking any message board poster's word for it. I have Black's words on several occasions. I believe if the Sabres could pin the ticket price increases on some NHL edict, they would have already done so.

 

What exactly are you saying? That the Sabres should've disqualified themselves from revenue sharing? Or that they could've gotten revenue sharing without raising ticket prices? It looks like the latter. If that's the case, are you saying that you think this, but you aren't going to take the time to figure out whether it's factually correct? But you're going to assume it's factually correct (despite multiple knowledgeable posters disagreeing with you) and take shots at TP on that basis?

 

Weak sauce.

[Stoner]

Yes

 

The complaint thread is only 12 hours and 25 minutes away. It must give you a thrill up your leg. Imagine, just imagine, someone is going to wait four seconds before turning right on red during your commute. Oh, the poison pen that quivers.

 

What exactly are you saying? That the Sabres should've disqualified themselves from revenue sharing? Or that they could've gotten revenue sharing without raising ticket prices? It looks like the latter. If that's the case, are you saying that you think this, but you aren't going to take the time to figure out whether it's factually correct? But you're going to assume it's factually correct (despite multiple knowledgeable posters disagreeing with you) and take shots at TP on that basis?

 

Weak sauce.

 

I assume it because of statements the team president has made. And, yep, I don't think Terry needs revenue sharing. I don't think the ticket price increases are justified given the dreadful product he has put on the ice. As for knowledgeable posters, sorry, that doesn't fly with me. I don't trust anyone here to speak authoritatively about the CBA. OK, maybe I will try and read the CBA. Or, you know, one of the CBA experts here could link the pertinent section.

 

If you're not a Bills fan, which is fine, why are you here? Just to rain on everyone else's parade?

 

Claude trolled me. Blame him.

 

I think it's going to be interesting to see how Pegula (the Pegulas) handles the Bills. We have three-plus years of his Sabres ownership to go on. It's a crossover discussion.

 

Not everyone agrees he's been a great owner of the Sabres or will be a great owner of the Bills. You're living in an Internet fantasy world if you think contrary opinions about Pegula are raining on some parade, or are bothered by them.

[nfreeman]

I assume it because of statements the team president has made. And, yep, I don't think Terry needs revenue sharing. I don't think the ticket price increases are justified given the dreadful product he has put on the ice. As for knowledgeable posters, sorry, that doesn't fly with me. I don't trust anyone here to speak authoritatively about the CBA. OK, maybe I will try and read the CBA. Or, you know, one of the CBA experts here could link the pertinent section.

 

What statements by TB, specifically? The one you quoted doesn't say anything about whether they are obligated to increase ticket prices to get revenue sharing.

 

As for posters and the CBA -- multiple posters here have read the CBA and have quoted relevant provisions from time to time in various discussions. Are you saying that their interpretations have been incorrect? When, specifically, has someone interpreted the CBA incorrectly?

 

As for TP not needing revenue sharing -- the Sabres' ticket prices were 9th-lowest in the NHL last year. Do you feel entitled to TP losing $10MM+ per year in order for the Sabres to have the absolute lowest ticket prices?

[TrueBlueGED]

What statements by TB, specifically? The one you quoted doesn't say anything about whether they are obligated to increase ticket prices to get revenue sharing.

 

As for posters and the CBA -- multiple posters here have read the CBA and have quoted relevant provisions from time to time in various discussions. Are you saying that their interpretations have been incorrect? When, specifically, has someone interpreted the CBA incorrectly?

 

As for TP not needing revenue sharing -- the Sabres' ticket prices were 9th-lowest in the NHL last year. Do you feel entitled to TP losing $10MM+ per year in order for the Sabres to have the absolute lowest ticket prices?

 

Incoming "I'll drill another well" quote reference in 3...2...1...

[spndnchz]

The complaint thread is only 12 hours and 25 minutes away. It must give you a thrill up your leg. Imagine, just imagine, someone is going to wait four seconds before turning right on red during your commute. Oh, the poison pen that quivers.

 

 

 

I assume it because of statements the team president has made. And, yep, I don't think Terry needs revenue sharing. I don't think the ticket price increases are justified given the dreadful product he has put on the ice. As for knowledgeable posters, sorry, that doesn't fly with me. I don't trust anyone here to speak authoritatively about the CBA. OK, maybe I will try and read the CBA. Or, you know, one of the CBA experts here could link the pertinent section.

 

 

 

Claude trolled me. Blame him.

 

I think it's going to be interesting to see how Pegula (the Pegulas) handles the Bills. We have three-plus years of his Sabres ownership to go on. It's a crossover discussion.

 

Not everyone agrees he's been a great owner of the Sabres or will be a great owner of the Bills. You're living in an Internet fantasy world if you think contrary opinions about Pegula are raining on some parade, or are bothered by them.

 

NHL Clubs need to submit 3 year business plans to the league. Whether these growth projections are met is essential to getting money from the league.

[SwampD]

What statements by TB, specifically? The one you quoted doesn't say anything about whether they are obligated to increase ticket prices to get revenue sharing.

 

As for posters and the CBA -- multiple posters here have read the CBA and have quoted relevant provisions from time to time in various discussions. Are you saying that their interpretations have been incorrect? When, specifically, has someone interpreted the CBA incorrectly?

 

As for TP not needing revenue sharing -- the Sabres' ticket prices were 9th-lowest in the NHL last year. Do you feel entitled to TP losing $10MM+ per year in order for the Sabres to have the absolute lowest ticket prices?

If their stated goal was to end up 30th, why not?

[Weave]

 

I assume it because of statements the team president has made. And, yep, I don't think Terry needs revenue sharing. I don't think the ticket price increases are justified given the dreadful product he has put on the ice. As for knowledgeable posters, sorry, that doesn't fly with me. I don't trust anyone here to speak authoritatively about the CBA. OK, maybe I will try and read the CBA. Or, you know, one of the CBA experts here could link the pertinent section.

 

 

I think the bolded part is the one point you've made that holds water. Given the intentional icing of a 1/2 AHL squad, the ticket price increase was disheartening at minimum. But even using the Black quote you provided, it seems easy enough to understand the motivation for those increases. They have a responsibility to grow revenues. If they don't they hurt the financial growth of their fellow owners and the players (whose salaries are tied to a percent of league revenues). Yeah, they are millionaires/billionaires so I'm not inclined to sympathy, but the fiduciary responsibility exists nonetheless.

Edited September 10, 2014 by weave

[spndnchz]

I think it's in Article 49 of the CBA if I remember correctly.

[Eleven]

Claude, don't do that again.

[Hank]

Claude, don't do that again.

 

What did he do? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Eleven]

What did he do? Inquiring minds want to know!

 

 

Claude trolled me. Blame him.

 

 

[shrader]

Claude, don't do that again.

 

What's the point? This was guaranteed to happen anyway. The jab about the complaint thread was funny, especially since all Pegula related topics are guaranteed to turn into his own forum for complaining. Thursdays are 90% of the time a lighthearted moment that spurs some random conversation, but this one is an all out vendetta.