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bIrMy3zt_normal.jpegBob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 5h

Summer (Year?) Of Hockey Analytics (
) continues: Tyler Dellow (aka
) leaving blogging world to work for an NHL club.

 

bIrMy3zt_normal.jpegBob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 5h

Dellow's site (
) ceased to be operational/accessible overnight. Dellow's landing spot believed to be EDM.

 

So in the past month or so the best two analytics bloggers have been hired by NHL teams. It's cool in the sense it helps validate the value of these stats and style of analysis (the debate is over, as far as I'm concerned), but sucks that I won't be able to read their stuff anymore.

LastPommerFan First Liner

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Validation will come when EDM starts winning because of roster or line-up changes driven by fancystat analysis.

 

Getting hired by an NHL team alone is not validation of your work (see Snow, Garth)

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Validation will come when EDM starts winning because of roster or line-up changes driven by fancystat analysis.

 

Getting hired by an NHL team alone is not validation of your work (see Snow, Garth)

 

Well one of the consistent criticisms the old guard media lob at the bloggers is stuff like "do you really think you know better than an NHL club?" and "If you were so smart, why are you just a blogger?" These hirings basically destroy those types of arguments. This is the type of validation I was initially talking about.

 

On-ice validation is going to be much more difficult to judge because we simply don't know how much input these guys are going to have and the extent to which the real decision makers will listen to them. Is MacTavish going to allow Dellow's analyses to drive decisions, or will he say "hey thanks nice job" and toss it in a filing cabinet never to be seen again?

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Well one of the consistent criticisms the old guard media lob at the bloggers is stuff like "do you really think you know better than an NHL club?" and "If you were so smart, why are you just a blogger?" These hirings basically destroy those types of arguments. This is the type of validation I was initially talking about.

 

On-ice validation is going to be much more difficult to judge because we simply don't know how much input these guys are going to have and the extent to which the real decision makers will listen to them. Is MacTavish going to allow Dellow's analyses to drive decisions, or will he say "hey thanks nice job" and toss it in a filing cabinet never to be seen again?

 

There is at least one NHL club that I am confident I know more than, and I don't even rise to the level of blogger! :lol:

That Aud Smell Hall of Famer

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Validation will come when EDM starts winning because of roster or line-up changes driven by fancystat analysis.

 

Getting hired by an NHL team alone is not validation of your work (see Snow, Garth)

 

Disagree insofar as the advanced stat/blogging guys are concerned. Snow's hiring may been bizarre, but he at least had a place in the hockey universe before it happened. The thing with the #fancystat mouse potatoes is that they were ridiculed as being not of the hockey world. Now they're in. Katie bar the door.

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they had one last year. I didn't watch it but I heard it wasn't terrible (the ice that is).

Yeah, but that one was in So Cal; this one'll be in Frisco, so it's not like they'll be playing in a downpour or anything. <_<

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727862&navid=nhl:topheads

 

Erhoff is being seen an an x-factor in the penguins line up coming season. Now this has been crossing my mind for a while now.

The way i see it, Erhoff chose 3 years ago to become a sabre, granted the contract was nice, but i have a feeling he loved it here.

 

He signed a one year deal with Pittsburgh, if he does well his market value goes way up, would it be crazy for me to think he is just gone for the one year we couldn't sign him

to come back as an ufa in 2015. Because other for his market value going up in a splendid year, i can't see why he only signed a one year deal.

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http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

 

Erhoff is being seen an an x-factor in the penguins line up coming season. Now this has been crossing my mind for a while now.

The way i see it, Erhoff chose 3 years ago to become a sabre, granted the contract was nice, but i have a feeling he loved it here.

 

He signed a one year deal with Pittsburgh, if he does well his market value goes way up, would it be crazy for me to think he is just gone for the one year we couldn't sign him

to come back as an ufa in 2015. Because other for his market value going up in a splendid year, i can't see why he only signed a one year deal.

 

With a good crop of defence prospects that should only get better, I can't see it happening. He is old and getting older.

 

I think now that the Sabres signed him, in part, to show the league that the Sabres meant business and are not afraid to through money around. Primarily to show players that will be UFA in 2 - 3 years (when we, hopefully, are good again) that they should want to come here and get their big pay day.

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Because other for his market value going up in a splendid year, i can't see why he only signed a one year deal.

 

because it's thought that the cap for 2015-2016 is going to go up significantly. it seems like he wanted a bridge deal to get him through to the season where it will make better sense for him to sign his last big contract.

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Interesting article about analytics.

 

Teams like Los Angeles and Chicago are mining data diamonds and applying them to the ice.

They understand that four lines of skill, speed, and puck-possessing prowess overwhelm the traditional template of two skilled units, a checking threesome, and an energy group. They acquire and play mobile, pace-pushing blue liners over hold-your-ground defensive defensemen. They don’t panic when they fall behind, 2-0, because statistics show that scoring next impacts the outcome more than allowing a third goal.

 

People in the food industry are familiar with the bliss point, the perfect combination of salt, sugar, and fat. There will be something similar in hockey that marries good players, good coaching, and good analysis. The dinosaurs that miss this intersection will become extinct. The organisms that evolve and connect will thrive.

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/08/09/nhl-brink-intelligence-explosion/rzB1N81iptBsR1NQkslbGM/story.html?p1=Article_InThisSection_Bottom

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Court case moving forward concerning the anti-competitiveness of the NHL broadcast rights.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459001

 

Plaintiffs assert it's ###### to pay for Center Ice to get all teams when all you want watch is one team. They also assert ###### on paying for Center Ice and having local games blacked out, requiring purchase of other channels. Suit has potential to go class-action, which would include every customer of Center Ice.

 

Among other evidence, the case points to evidence in 1984 documents written by former league president John Zeigler, at the time defending how the league had loosely managed its rights, stating that limiting broadcast rights would be anti-competitive. The league would soon change their methods in 1985, due to pressure from a potential ESPN contract, to manage their rights a way that is substantially similar to what Zeigler had described as anti-competitive.

 

It's early in the process, so there's nothing much to see here yet. Also of note: NHL is defending this type of lawsuit side by side with the MLB, which faces almost identical allegations.

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I pretty much get CI for just the Sabres, but I'll watch other teams too. My wife likes the Red Wings so I guess we're a two team family. I bet the lawsuit fails but we'll see. I think I've had CI for about 14 years, so if there is a payout per customer per year I should do okay.

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