Samson's Flow Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Holzinger with significantly worse hands. That may be one of the most terrifying things I have ever heard. Like Zhitnik with a less accurate shot... :bag: Quote
bob_sauve28 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Rochester Americans, fourth worst record in the AHL. Not only are we blowing the tank, but the (fuel) tank looks empty too Quote
inkman Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Rochester Americans, fourth worst record in the AHL. Not only are we blowing the tank, but the (fuel) tank looks empty too Armia has missed a bunch of games and they have lost almost all of them. He's not my worry, it's the guys like Adam and Varone who should be carrying the O and they ain't doing crap. Quote
Hoss Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Armia has missed a bunch of games and they have lost almost all of them. He's not my worry, it's the guys like Adam and Varone who should be carrying the O and they ain't doing crap. I think it's something like they're 1-5 in the 6 games he has missed and have only scored 8 goals in that span. Quote
K-9 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Armia has missed a bunch of games and they have lost almost all of them. He's not my worry, it's the guys like Adam and Varone who should be carrying the O and they ain't doing crap. I am shocked to hear Adam isn't being productive. GO SABRES!!! Quote
LGR4GM Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 I wonder if Chad Cassidy is the guy to coach them. Quote
X. Benedict Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 But he was the steal of the draft, blah blah, had a first round grade and we got him in the third blah blah... Saying you really like a 3rd round pick is really just that. It is a fun thing about hockey. In the end......the entire 2011 third round probably hasn't produced an entire seasons worth of NHL hockey (82 games) combined yet. So all really liking a player coming out of junior means is you think he's got a better than 10% chance of making the NHL. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 Saying you really like a 3rd round pick is really just that. It is a fun thing about hockey. In the end......the entire 2011 third round probably hasn't produced an entire seasons worth of NHL hockey (82 games) combined yet. So all really liking a player coming out of junior means is you think he's got a better than 10% chance of making the NHL. They have, actually, but just barely (91 games). Interestingly, the 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds from 2011 all have more than 100 games played. Quote
MattPie Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 They have, actually, but just barely (91 games). Interestingly, the 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds from 2011 all have more than 100 games played. That is interesting. I'm guessing it's essentially one guy from each of those rounds that happened to make it? Quote
X. Benedict Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) They have, actually, but just barely (91 games). Interestingly, the 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds from 2011 all have more than 100 games played. Interesting. Thanks. There probably is a cut-off mathematically (around pick 100 maybe) where it is better to have more crappy round picks than higher picks because of the probabilities. Edited December 11, 2014 by X. Benedict Quote
LastPommerFan Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 That is interesting. I'm guessing it's essentially one guy from each of those rounds that happened to make it? The 5th (Shaw - CHI) and 7th (Palat -TBL) yes, but the 4th is more spread out. http://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2011_entry.html Quote
X. Benedict Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 The 5th (Shaw - CHI) and 7th (Palat -TBL) yes, but the 4th is more spread out. http://www.hockey-re...2011_entry.html This has all got me curious, I wonder how it works in terms of minutes of ice time. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) This has all got me curious, I wonder how it works in terms of minutes of ice time. now you're just getting greedy. Edited December 11, 2014 by Glass Case Of Emotion Quote
shrader Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 The 5th (Shaw - CHI) and 7th (Palat -TBL) yes, but the 4th is more spread out. http://www.hockey-re...2011_entry.html It's kind of interesting how both of those later round guys you mentioned were older players drafted in what appears to be their last year of eligibility (I'm too lazy to dig up the exact cutoff date). Quote
X. Benedict Posted December 11, 2014 Report Posted December 11, 2014 now you're just getting greedy. :lol: just wondering. I wasn't asking him to do it. Quote
nfreeman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Rochester Americans, fourth worst record in the AHL. Not only are we blowing the tank, but the (fuel) tank looks empty too I read this morning that they've lost 14 out of their last 17. Yikes. That doesn't sound like the robust prospect pool we keep hearing about. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 I read this morning that they've lost 14 out of their last 17. Yikes. That doesn't sound like the robust prospect pool we keep hearing about. Most of our top prospects are in the NHL, CHL, and NCAA. The Amerks really only have four guys I ever expect on an NHL roster. Quote
dudacek Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Most of our top prospects are in the NHL, CHL, and NCAA. The Amerks really only have four guys I ever expect on an NHL roster. Larsson, Pysyk, McCabe, Armia, Grigorenko, Carrier for me. But guys like Adam, Varone, Bagnall, Petrecki and Dalpe are all good AHL players. The team should be better. There is definitely something wrong down there and it needs to be addressed. Edited December 12, 2014 by dudacek Quote
Johnny DangerFace Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Posted December 12, 2014 I gotta say this one last time, the quality of your AHL team can have very little with your prospect pool. It's my pet peeve lol Quote
darksabre Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 I have a hard time imagining that GMTM isn't working to fix the Amerks. He's a development guy who understands the role of the AHL in building NHL teams. They wont be able to slide much longer without him making changes. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Larsson, Pysyk, McCabe, Armia, Grigorenko, Carrier for me. But guys like Adam, Varone, Bagnall, Petrecki and Dalpe are all good AHL players. The team should be better. There is definitely something wrong down there and it needs to be addressed. I admit I forgot about Larsson and Carrier, they'd make my list too. How many of those guys become regulars I don't know, but I think all 6 have a legit chance. As to your second point, I absolutely agree that something is wrong. I just don't think it points to the quality of the organization's prospect pool, as Freeman was asserting :) Quote
nfreeman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 I admit I forgot about Larsson and Carrier, they'd make my list too. How many of those guys become regulars I don't know, but I think all 6 have a legit chance. As to your second point, I absolutely agree that something is wrong. I just don't think it points to the quality of the organization's prospect pool, as Freeman was asserting :) If your AHL team has 2 defensemen that many thought were NHL-ready, plus 4 allegedly top forward prospects, plus 2 goalies that are supposed to be pretty good, they shouldn't lose 14 out of 17 -- unless those prospects ain't all that. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 If your AHL team has 2 defensemen that many thought were NHL-ready, plus 4 allegedly top forward prospects, plus 2 goalies that are supposed to be pretty good, they shouldn't lose 14 out of 17 -- unless those prospects ain't all that. Even if I were to agree with this analysis (which I don't with basically any of that statement), you're still ignoring Reinhart, Baptiste, Fasching, Compher, Karabacek, Lemieux and Bailey who are all quality prospects playing elsewhere. Quote
dudacek Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 If your AHL team has 2 defensemen that many thought were NHL-ready, plus 4 allegedly top forward prospects, plus 2 goalies that are supposed to be pretty good, they shouldn't lose 14 out of 17 -- unless those prospects ain't all that. This is the one flaw in your argument. Some on here think they are pretty good, but I don't think that's a sentiment shared around the league. And they certainly haven't played well this year. But I'm with D4rk. Murray deliberately put together a team that was supposed to succeed in the AHL this year. It's where he came from and what he believes in. He's not going to let this continue. Quote
shrader Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 But I'm with D4rk. Murray deliberately put together a team that was supposed to succeed in the AHL this year. It's where he came from and what he believes in. He's not going to let this continue. But how many of these guys who would help an AHL team thrive and probably should be playing there are actually up with the Sabres right now? No matter how strong some of the young guys might be, weak depth at the NHL level trickles down to the AHL squad. Quote
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