Buffalo Bills 2014

[Hoss]

 

Your ability not to follow the conversation can be infuriating at times. But since you asked, people don't develop personalities as they succeed. It's their personalities that allow them to succeed. Naturally, people make allowances for the ones that already succeed and dismiss the others until they succeed.

Those that end up succeeding are geniuses, those that don't are ######.

But none of this has anything to do with my initial post which you were unable to follow along with which was that Marrone's personality did not make him a bad hire.

 

So what you're saying is people don't develop or change as success comes their way? I'm 22 and understand that is about as inaccurate a statement that you'll see. I was constantly mentioning how Marrone might have the "right kind of crazy" it takes to be a successful head coach, but alienating people when you don't have a clue what success is yet and quitting on your team when the situation isn't exactly what you want? You can pick and choose relationships when you know more about success than everybody around you. Quitting is never excusable. He abused a power he didn't have.

 

Also, your first statement is cute. You drew a comparison between Polian and Marrone. I drew my comparison. Give the agenda a rest and engage in a normal conversation. Don't run to that garbage when I make my counterpoints.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Tank

[SwampD]

I sure hope our next coach brings puppies to his press conferences. That would make me feel better about the Bills.

[inkman]

I sure hope our next coach brings puppies to his press conferences. That would make me feel better about the Bills.

Only an American breed though, euro puppies are soft.

[JJFIVEOH]

I was not saying it was provable either way. I was merely countering a point which was that Brandon should be fired for hiring a narcissistic bully. Let's leave Brady out of it, they are all that to some degree and its why despite all of his personality flaws they still would of rather had him back. Polian was as big a bully as they come, wanted to fire anyone who spoke Ill of him and wanted to bring in AJ Smith whose firing provoked major media celebrations in San Diego. It is what fuels these guys. In my opinion, the ones that succeed are the ones who can admit their mistakes and move on without losing their edge.

And yes, I know there are exceptions, which only validate the rule.

 

I agree, great points.

[tom webster]

 

 

So what you're saying is people don't develop or change as success comes their way? I'm 22 and understand that is about as inaccurate a statement that you'll see. I was constantly mentioning how Marrone might have the "right kind of crazy" it takes to be a successful head coach, but alienating people when you don't have a clue what success is yet and quitting on your team when the situation isn't exactly what you want? You can pick and choose relationships when you know more about success than everybody around you. Quitting is never excusable. He abused a power he didn't have.

 

Also, your first statement is cute. You drew a comparison between Polian and Marrone. I drew my comparison. Give the agenda a rest and engage in a normal conversation. Don't run to that garbage when I make my counterpoints.

 

As per usual we are just going in circles and I'm not even sure you understand the initial point. I'm busy and I'm done but I will counter your first statement.

First, I never said people don't develop as they mature.

However, I will stick to my original point, and by the way, for the record, I am 54. I firmly believe that people don't change, only their circumstances do.

Have a good day.

[Hoss]

 

 

As per usual we are just going in circles and I'm not even sure you understand the initial point. I'm busy and I'm done but I will counter your first statement.

First, I never said people don't develop as they mature.

However, I will stick to my original point, and by the way, for the record, I am 54. I firmly believe that people don't change, only their circumstances do.

Have a good day.

 

I never responded to your original post which you keep trying to use as a means to demean my part in the conversation. I responded to your statement about bully coaches. The ones that do it earn it first. If he had Tom Brady maybe he would've earned it. Maybe Brady never becomes what he is and Marrone is in this same boat. He got the very least out of Manuel, so his QB development abilities are questionable at best.

 

My only point is that Marrone hasn't earned the right to be mentioned along with other crazy guys like Belichick. He has done nothing to get there.

 

 

 

 

three down...

 

@RapSheet: How’s this for a busy day? #Bills contingent interviewed Dan Quinn, Darrell Bevell, and Adam Gase yesterday. Ok, back to the game.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Tank

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

I'd pay a few $ to sit down at a bar with Buddy Nix and hear his breakdown of this cluster-f.

[drnkirishone]

I'd pay a few $ to sit down at a bar with Buddy Nix and hear his breakdown of this cluster-f.

i'll tell you what. this is like a t-rex rubben one out whilst watching a gator with it's nuts in a leg trap humping a football

 

 

 

*edit*

yes that is my buddy nix impression. just read it in his voice

Edited January 4, 2015 by drnkirishone

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

i'll tell you what. this is like a t-rex rubben one out whilst watching a gator with it's nuts in a leg trap humping a football

 

 

 

*edit*

yes that is my buddy nix impression. just read it in his voice

 

:)

 

But that Pag-e-ula sure has one hell of a piece of trim......

[Hoss]

LaConfora reported that Russ Brandon is the one pushing for Mike Shanahan. "Not involved in football decisions" my ass...

 

Or I guess that wouldn't be a football decisions. He probably thinks Shanahan has a recognizable name enough to sell.

[Wyldnwoody44]

I wish we had luck..... Andrew

[TrueBlueGED]

LaConfora reported that Russ Brandon is the one pushing for Mike Shanahan. "Not involved in football decisions" my ass...

 

Or I guess that wouldn't be a football decisions. He probably thinks Shanahan has a recognizable name enough to sell.

 

Didn't you call him LaCanGarrioch not too long ago? ;)

[tom webster]

Didn't you call him LaCanGarrioch not too long ago? ;)

 

Now now.

 

Given where this team is at, with a set defense and DC in place and some of the offensive pieces in place as well, I think bringing in an established head coach like Shanahan may be the way to go. There is just too much of an unknown when bringing an assistant in and the team is not in a place where we should want anyone learning on the job.

I would love for one of the hot,innovative college coaches but even they are an unknown. With Shanahan, I feel like they can take a couple more steps in the process and then see if he has what it takes to finish the job.

[Johnny DangerFace]

I hope we bring in a coach and do good. I hope we don't bring in a coach and do bad :)

[Hoss]

 

 

Didn't you call him LaCanGarrioch not too long ago? ;)

 

Yeap. But the reported interest in Shanahan isn't just from LaConfora.

[Eleven]

Detroit just went full Marrone. Fourth and one, try to draw offsides, fail, foruth and six, twelve yard punt. Smart.

[Claude_Verret]

Detroit looking very bills like here, including the inexplicable pick up of an obvious PI flag on Dallas.

[Wyldnwoody44]

That Bs flag pickup changed the entire game

[Claude_Verret]

That Bs flag pickup changed the entire game

 

To not throw a flag there would have been a big story out if this game, but to throw it and then pick it up? WTF?

[calti]

whatever happens please at least demote whaley. maybe he had a lot to do with drafting ej maybe not...but to trade a 1st in the Watkins deal was inexcusable and points to the fact that he was an ej supporter. keep whaley away from anything to do with obtaining a QB or dealing draft picks- .

 

Horrible 3rd down play calling by the lions.....good lord what is it with Lake erie teams???? complete choke of a game they had.

 

And Stafford??---Does he have no peripheral vision in his right eye?? --I thought I was watching RJ on a few plays

[Hoss]

 

 

To not throw a flag there would have been a big story out if this game, but to throw it and then pick it up? WTF?

 

It's not just that. They threw it ANNOUNCED IT and then rescinded.

[tom webster]

And how is there no penalty for Dez Bryant running on the field with no helmet on to argue the call?

[LastPommerFan]

And how is there no penalty for Dez Bryant running on the field with no helmet on to argue the call?

 

Same refs as the ND-FSU game?

[Hoss]

Just playing a little catchup on the reported candidates for the Bills HC job so far now that wild card weekend is over and a few more names are available:

 

A little background on the unknowns...

 

Frank Reich, San Diego Chargers OC

History: Former backup for the Buffalo Bills. Tailor of the greatest comeback in NFL history. More relevant is that he has gained some credit as a bit of a "QB guru" in his time as a coach. He worked with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis which was likely more of a learning than teaching experience. He spent a year with the Arizona Cardinals as a WR coach before becoming the quarterback coach in San Diego. He spent a year in that position before moving to offensive coordinator once Mike McCoy was hired as head coach. There are some questions about his experience and how involved he is with the play calling on offense.

Interview: Reportedly Sunday January 4th.

 

Darrell Bevell, Seattle Seahawks OC

History: Four-year starting QB at Wisconsin but never played professionally. Worked a few years in the college ranks before becoming the assistant QB coach in Green Bay prior to the 2000 season. Dropped the "assistant" title from 2003-2005. In 2006 he was brought to Minnesota to be their offensive coordinator. Had Adrian Peterson for all but his first season there and led Brett Favre to his best season statistically in 2009. After losing his job when Todd Frazier brought in his own staff he was scooped up by Seattle. He has won a Super Bowl with Seattle and helped Marshawn Lynch look like a Hall of Famer. Russell Wilson has seen great success under Bevell. No head coaching experience.

Interview: Reportedly took place Saturday January 3rd.

 

Dan Quinn, Seattle Seahawks DC

History: Spent most of the 90s working his way up as a college assistant. Defensive line coaching positions with San Francisco, Miami, New York and Seattle helped him become the defensive coordinator for the Florida Gators. He returned to Seattle to become their defensive coordinator in 2013 and led a talented group of varying personalities to one of the best defensive seasons in history and a Super Bowl ring. He has been commended for leading a group of boys to become men and help the Seahawks win their first championship. This bodes well for his abilities as a head coach. Has never been a head coach.

Interview: Reportedly took place Saturday January 3rd.

 

Adam Gase, Denver Broncos DC

History: Started his coaching career under Nick Saban at Michigan State and LSU. This helped him jump to the Detroit Lions in various roles, including QB coach. He made a brief stop as an offensive assistant in San Francisco before heading to Denver. He was their quarterback coach for two seasons, one of which saw them win a playoff game with Tim Tebow at quarterback. He has been the offensive coordinator there for two seasons. His first season was one in which Peyton Manning shattered multiple passing records, but his second one has given him more credit as a coach. Manning has seemed to have slowed down a bit, but Gase adjusted accordingly and made CJ Anderson look like a star by getting the running game more involved. That type of adjustment is what you need out of a head coach and offensive mind. No previous experience and working with Peyton Manning has made him a bit of a question mark. Likely would've been the Browns coach last offseason if he was interested.

Interview: Reportedly interviewed Saturday January 3rd.

 

 

Pep Hamilton, Indianapolis Colts OC

History: Worked at Howard University as QB coach from '97-2001. Added offensive coordinator to his title for the last three seasons he coached there before joining the Jets staff. He had various offensive staff roles there, in San Fran and in Chicago (QB and WR coach in those places) before Stanford brought him in as WR coach in 2010. He switched to QB coach and offensive coordinator in 2011. He was Andrew Luck's OC/QB coach for a year which led to Luck being taken first overall by the Indianapolis Colts. He joined Luck in Indianapolis a year later as offensive coordinator. He has experience on offensive staffs throughout the league and has become a respected assistant, but his biggest success came when he followed Andrew Luck. He's the biggest question mark on this list, but it's clear why he's an intriguing candidate. No previous HC experience.

Interview: Requested.

 

Teryl Austin, Detroit Lions DC

History: This is a name that entered the fray late. He gained steam as the season went on and the Detroit Lions defense got better and better. His defensive front especially, but he's known as a defensive backs coach which is where his background is. He coached on defensive staffs at Penn State, Wake Forest, Syracuse and Michigan before he became the Seahawks defensive backs coach from 2003-2006. One of those season (2005) ended up in a Super Bowl appearance for the Seahawks when the lost to Pittsburgh. He hopped to another NFC West team in Arizona in the same role from 2007-2009. He once again coached in a Super Bowl loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2008. He left the pros for one season as Florida defensive coordinator before returning to coach defensive backs in Baltimore. He was there for three seasons before becoming the Lions defensive coordinator this season. The defense showed great strides under his watch, but they retained the undisciplined look that they had under Jim Schwartz. He's a relative unknown despite retaining good jobs in the league. No head coaching experience.

Interview: Requested.

 

The known names with much briefer details...

 

Mike Shanahan, former LA Raiders, Broncos and Washington HC

History: Won two Super Bowls in Denver with John Elway and Terrell Davis. Took a pretty bad Washington team to the playoffs where his controversial management of RGIII resulted in pretty terrible knee injuries. Has been in the NFL since 1984.

Interview: Not clear. Schefter reported they wanted it done this weekend (3rd/4th).

 

Jim Schwartz, Buffalo Bills DC

History: Worked as a college coach from 89-92 before jumping the Browns scouting staff in '93. Worked with the Ravens and Titans linebacking corps from '96-00 before becoming the Titans DC in 2001. His defenses were always seen as one of the best. Worked in that role until 2008 when the Lions hired him for their head job. He took an 0-16 team and improved them by 2, 4 and 4 wins for three straight season, resulting in a playoff appearance at 10-6. The team fell quickly after that and he was fired two seasons later. His teams were always considered undisciplined. Last season, he led one of the best defenses in the NFL. He is loved by his players across the board which is something you want to see in your coach.

Interview: Not clear.

 

Rex Ryan, fired as New York Jets HC

History: College coach from '87-93 before joining Arizona's defensive staff. Became Cincinnati's DC for two seasons before moving back to college as Oklahoma and Kansas State's defensive coordinator for one season each. Baltimore brought him in in 1999 to coach the defensive line that helped Ray Lewis become one of the best linebackers ever. He was the team's defensive coordinator from 2005-2008 which gained him a lot of respect around the league. The Jets took a shot on him in 2009 and he ended up with one of the league's best defenses while appearing in two AFC Championship Games with Mark Sanchez as QB. Fell out of favor when the defense faded a bit and his antics grew tiresome. Still seen as a good coach around the league.

Interview: Not clear

 

 

Hue Jackson, Cincinnati Bengals OC

History: Bounced around various colleges in coordinator and other minor roles from 1987 until 2001 when Washington hired him as running backs coach. Spent one season in that role before moving on to Cincy as WR coach. Atlanta hired him as offensive coordinator and that lasted one season before he became QB coach in Baltimore. He then became Oakland's offensive coordinator for one season before they named him head coach. This was another one-year job and he has since worked his way back up the ranks in Cincy to become their offensive coordinator. He has worked all over offensive staffs, but it's tough to know if that's a good or bad thing.

Interview: Reportedly requested and could take place now that Cincy is eliminated.

 

Josh McDaniels, New England Patriots OC

History: After two seasons at Michigan State he became an assistant with the New England Patriots in 2001. His start came on the defensive side of the ball, but he became the QB coach from 2004-08. Tom Brady's QB rating had never gone over 90 before McDaniels became his QB coach, but he exceeded it 3/4 seasons McDaniels coached him, including one in which he threw for 4,800 yards and 50 TDs. He became the team's OC in 2006 on top of his duties as QB coach prior to landing the Denver head coach job. He was instrumental in the team's first-round selection of Tim Tebow. He rubbed some people the wrong way and only lasted two seasons there. He spent one season as St. Louis' OC before returning to New England. Some question whether or not he's capable of coaching without Belichick.

Interview: Buffalo did not get it in on time so it likely won't happen.

 

 

 

My fingers hurt... I'm going to update this as interviews are confirmed/candidates are chopped off the list or added.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Tank

[Eleven]

Just playing a little catchup on the reported candidates for the Bills HC job so far now that wild card weekend is over and a few more names are available:

 

A little background on the unknowns...

 

Frank Reich, San Diego Chargers OC

History: Former backup for the Buffalo Bills. Tailor of the greatest comeback in NFL history. More relevant is that he has gained some credit as a bit of a "QB guru" in his time as a coach. He worked with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis which was likely more of a learning than teaching experience. He spent a year with the Arizona Cardinals as a WR coach before becoming the quarterback coach in San Diego. He spent a year in that position before moving to offensive coordinator once Mike McCoy was hired as head coach. There are some questions about his experience and how involved he is with the play calling on offense.

Interview: Reportedly Sunday January 4th.

 

Darrell Bevell, Seattle Seahawks OC

History: Four-year starting QB at Wisconsin but never played professionally. Worked a few years in the college ranks before becoming the assistant QB coach in Green Bay prior to the 2000 season. Dropped the "assistant" title from 2003-2005. In 2006 he was brought to Minnesota to be their offensive coordinator. Had Adrian Peterson for all but his first season there and led Brett Favre to his best season statistically in 2009. After losing his job when Todd Frazier brought in his own staff he was scooped up by Seattle. He has won a Super Bowl with Seattle and helped Marshawn Lynch look like a Hall of Famer. Russell Wilson has seen great success under Bevell. No head coaching experience.

Interview: Reportedly took place Saturday January 3rd.

 

Dan Quinn, Seattle Seahawks DC

History: Spent most of the 90s working his way up as a college assistant. Defensive line coaching positions with San Francisco, Miami, New York and Seattle helped him become the defensive coordinator for the Florida Gators. He returned to Seattle to become their defensive coordinator in 2013 and led a talented group of varying personalities to one of the best defensive seasons in history and a Super Bowl ring. He has been commended for leading a group of boys to become men and help the Seahawks win their first championship. This bodes well for his abilities as a head coach. Has never been a head coach.

Interview: Reportedly took place Saturday January 3rd.

 

Adam Gase, Denver Broncos DC

History: Started his coaching career under Nick Saban at Michigan State and LSU. This helped him jump to the Detroit Lions in various roles, including QB coach. He made a brief stop as an offensive assistant in San Francisco before heading to Denver. He was their quarterback coach for two seasons, one of which saw them win a playoff game with Tim Tebow at quarterback. He has been the offensive coordinator there for two seasons. His first season was one in which Peyton Manning shattered multiple passing records, but his second one has given him more credit as a coach. Manning has seemed to have slowed down a bit, but Gase adjusted accordingly and made CJ Anderson look like a star by getting the running game more involved. That type of adjustment is what you need out of a head coach and offensive mind. No previous experience and working with Peyton Manning has made him a bit of a question mark. Likely would've been the Browns coach last offseason if he was interested.

Interview: Reportedly interviewed Saturday January 3rd.

 

 

Pep Hamilton, Indianapolis Colts OC

History: Worked at Howard University as QB coach from '97-2001. Added offensive coordinator to his title for the last three seasons he coached there before joining the Jets staff. He had various offensive staff roles there, in San Fran and in Chicago (QB and WR coach in those places) before Stanford brought him in as WR coach in 2010. He switched to QB coach and offensive coordinator in 2011. He was Andrew Luck's OC/QB coach for a year which led to Luck being taken first overall by the Indianapolis Colts. He joined Luck in Indianapolis a year later as offensive coordinator. He has experience on offensive staffs throughout the league and has become a respected assistant, but his biggest success came when he followed Andrew Luck. He's the biggest question mark on this list, but it's clear why he's an intriguing candidate. No previous HC experience.

Interview: Requested.

 

Teryl Austin, Detroit Lions DC

History: This is a name that entered the fray late. He gained steam as the season went on and the Detroit Lions defense got better and better. His defensive front especially, but he's known as a defensive backs coach which is where his background is. He coached on defensive staffs at Penn State, Wake Forest, Syracuse and Michigan before he became the Seahawks defensive backs coach from 2003-2006. One of those season (2005) ended up in a Super Bowl appearance for the Seahawks when the lost to Pittsburgh. He hopped to another NFC West team in Arizona in the same role from 2007-2009. He once again coached in a Super Bowl loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2008. He left the pros for one season as Florida defensive coordinator before returning to coach defensive backs in Baltimore. He was there for three seasons before becoming the Lions defensive coordinator this season. The defense showed great strides under his watch, but they retained the undisciplined look that they had under Jim Schwartz. He's a relative unknown despite retaining good jobs in the league. No head coaching experience.

Interview: Requested.

 

The known names with much briefer details...

 

Mike Shanahan, former LA Raiders, Broncos and Washington HC

History: Won two Super Bowls in Denver with John Elway and Terrell Davis. Took a pretty bad Washington team to the playoffs where his controversial management of RGIII resulted in pretty terrible knee injuries. Has been in the NFL since 1984.

Interview: Not clear. Schefter reported they wanted it done this weekend (3rd/4th).

 

Jim Schwartz, Buffalo Bills DC

History: Worked as a college coach from 89-92 before jumping the Browns scouting staff in '93. Worked with the Ravens and Titans linebacking corps from '96-00 before becoming the Titans DC in 2001. His defenses were always seen as one of the best. Worked in that role until 2008 when the Lions hired him for their head job. He took an 0-16 team and improved them by 2, 4 and 4 wins for three straight season, resulting in a playoff appearance at 10-6. The team fell quickly after that and he was fired two seasons later. His teams were always considered undisciplined. Last season, he led one of the best defenses in the NFL. He is loved by his players across the board which is something you want to see in your coach.

Interview: Not clear.

 

Rex Ryan, fired as New York Jets HC

History: College coach from '87-93 before joining Arizona's defensive staff. Became Cincinnati's DC for two seasons before moving back to college as Oklahoma and Kansas State's defensive coordinator for one season each. Baltimore brought him in in 1999 to coach the defensive line that helped Ray Lewis become one of the best linebackers ever. He was the team's defensive coordinator from 2005-2008 which gained him a lot of respect around the league. The Jets took a shot on him in 2009 and he ended up with one of the league's best defenses while appearing in two AFC Championship Games with Mark Sanchez as QB. Fell out of favor when the defense faded a bit and his antics grew tiresome. Still seen as a good coach around the league.

Interview: Not clear

 

 

Hue Jackson, Cincinnati Bengals OC

History: Bounced around various colleges in coordinator and other minor roles from 1987 until 2001 when Washington hired him as running backs coach. Spent one season in that role before moving on to Cincy as WR coach. Atlanta hired him as offensive coordinator and that lasted one season before he became QB coach in Baltimore. He then became Oakland's offensive coordinator for one season before they named him head coach. This was another one-year job and he has since worked his way back up the ranks in Cincy to become their offensive coordinator. He has worked all over offensive staffs, but it's tough to know if that's a good or bad thing.

Interview: Reportedly requested and could take place now that Cincy is eliminated.

 

Josh McDaniels, New England Patriots OC

History: After two seasons at Michigan State he became an assistant with the New England Patriots in 2001. His start came on the defensive side of the ball, but he became the QB coach from 2004-08. Tom Brady's QB rating had never gone over 90 before McDaniels became his QB coach, but he exceeded it 3/4 seasons McDaniels coached him, including one in which he threw for 4,800 yards and 50 TDs. He became the team's OC in 2006 on top of his duties as QB coach prior to landing the Denver head coach job. He was instrumental in the team's first-round selection of Tim Tebow. He rubbed some people the wrong way and only lasted two seasons there. He spent one season as St. Louis' OC before returning to New England. Some question whether or not he's capable of coaching without Belichick.

Interview: Buffalo did not get it in on time so it likely won't happen.

 

 

 

My fingers hurt... I'm going to update this as interviews are confirmed/candidates are chopped off the list or added.

 

That's a lot of work. Nice job.