Drunkard Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I recommend the highly regarded firm: Benson, Batista, and Black. Excellent. I can see it all now. On Doug Marrone: He ain't going no where. On Doug Whaley: What's he done wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 The thing about firing Hackett is which good coach is going to come in knowing the entire coaching staff and front office is a year away from being blown up if they don't find success immediately? Push the big red button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 The thing about firing Hackett is which good coach is going to come in knowing the entire coaching staff and front office is a year away from being blown up if they don't find success immediately? Push the big red button. One that knows if he can turns things around that he's got a good chance to land a HC gig after it's all said and done, especially now with Daddy Warbucks owning the team. The amount of money you can spend on the front office and coaching staff doesn't count against the cap. If you want the best and are willing to pay for it, qualified candidates will apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 The thing about firing Hackett is which good coach is going to come in knowing the entire coaching staff and front office is a year away from being blown up if they don't find success immediately? Push the big red button. There is always somebody who wants to replace somebody in a club with precious few jobs. The trick is finding the next Harbaugh (the Baltimore one; who was a career ST coach) among that pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 It's been our best season in quite some time and it has lasted until Christmas week. I wouldn't fire Marrone, or anyone, well, maybe Hackett. I really want to see Manuel next week. Orton sucks and we need to be playing for next year against NE. I think E.J. could have easily gotten us to this same 8-7 record. We need to see what we have in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 It's been our best season in quite some time and it has lasted until Christmas week. I wouldn't fire Marrone, or anyone, well, maybe Hackett. I really want to see Manuel next week. Orton sucks and we need to be playing for next year against NE. I think E.J. could have easily gotten us to this same 8-7 record. We need to see what we have in him. Much agreed. Gotta see how he's developed in the last 12 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanbe Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I was at the game yesterday in Oakland, three Bills fans in a sea of black and silver. It was ugly. Hughes was invisible all day and Kyle sucked. He had open receivers which he never looked at, looked slower trying to run and CJ...WTF? We were very disappointed in the play of both the D and O in this game. With 2:50 left in the game I said to my friend that Hackett needs to go. Horrible play calling and even the Raiders fans were saying to us why the hell is he running play action. You guys suck at running the ball. As to the Raider fans. They were gracious and friendly and of course on the way out you get the RAAAAIIIIDERRRS chant but all in all their fans were great. Oh, they really need a new station. I think the TV in my den is bigger then what they have at the scoreboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 HTF do you get an offside penalty on an onside kick?! I mean, it's called and onside kick FFS! It's your only chance to win the game,… it's the only chance to keep your season alive, and you go ###### offside?! Of all the ways to not end up with possession of the ball, that can't be the one that happens. I've changed my mind. Fire everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Well, at least they have won 2 more games (so far) than last season. That's progress ......... :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 One game in week 17 isn't really going to tell is much about Manuel. Other than maybe what we already know: he's not the future of this team. Reports that the team has already become convinced of this only further prove that. With that said I do expect Manuel to start. They'll use this week as a way to get Orton to decline his option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I really don't know what to think in terms of the hiring/firing of the coaches and GM next year. On the one hand, Marrone has demonstrated ultra-conservatism and lack of clock management/situational awareness at the end of games, which has hurt us. But, in looking at most successful teams, continuity in the coaching staff is pretty important to building sucess. If you fire the coach, there's almost always a step back by having to learn new systems and the lack of familiarity with concepts. Unless you promote Schwartz to head coach and have Pepper Johnson take over psuedo D-coordinator jobs and hire a top end OC for next year. And FFS fix the o line. The guard play this year has been the worst I have ever seen. Dallas is magically a top running team because they focused a lot of talent on the line. That's how to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I really don't know what to think in terms of the hiring/firing of the coaches and GM next year. On the one hand, Marrone has demonstrated ultra-conservatism and lack of clock management/situational awareness at the end of games, which has hurt us. But, in looking at most successful teams, continuity in the coaching staff is pretty important to building sucess. If you fire the coach, there's almost always a step back by having to learn new systems and the lack of familiarity with concepts. Unless you promote Schwartz to head coach and have Pepper Johnson take over psuedo D-coordinator jobs and hire a top end OC for next year. And FFS fix the o line. The guard play this year has been the worst I have ever seen. Dallas is magically a top running team because they focused a lot of talent on the line. That's how to win. Regarding the bold, no doubt about the correlation but I'd argue the causation is the other way around. Continuity doesn't build successful teams, successful teams leads to continuity. We're never winning a Super Bowl with Doug Marrone as our coach. We were hoping he'd be young and have a lot of fresh ideas but he's extremely old school and conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I was hosting a Christmas party yesterday. My friend from Green Bay basically said we squandered the GB results. Part was sour grapes, but it's hard to argue. When Marrone punted with 8m to go, I knew it was over. You could feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Much agreed. Gotta see how he's developed in the last 12 weeks. Probably like crap seeing he doesn't have any game experience , If im coach i play orton against one of the better teams in the league. Don't want the kid to lose any more confidence :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Probably like crap seeing he doesn't have any game experience , If im coach i play orton against one of the better teams in the league. Don't want the kid to lose any more confidence :P If we're going to baby Manuel any further then just take him out back and tell him to think of the rabbits. For real, if his confidence has the potential to be bruised because of a meaningless week 17 team game against the team we're going to need to learn how to beat then he's worse off than even I thought. Obviously there's nothing to indicate that this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 According to Pro Football Focus, the Bills had the second worst offense in the NFL this season... Behind (ahead of?) the Jaguars. Also, Kyle Orton is now rated as the third worst quarterback in the NFL to take a snap this season. Derek Carr and Blake Bortles (both rookies) were the only ones that had lower ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Regarding the bold, no doubt about the correlation but I'd argue the causation is the other way around. Continuity doesn't build successful teams, successful teams leads to continuity. We're never winning a Super Bowl with Doug Marrone as our coach. We were hoping he'd be young and have a lot of fresh ideas but he's extremely old school and conservative. This is pretty much where I'm at, although the whole lot of 'em would undoubtedly look a lot smarter with even a decent QB. If we can't get a good QB we need a coach who can make bad look mediocre and mediocre look good, and that's certainly not this crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Give me a coach that starts his introductory press conference with "Once we cross the 50 yard line we're not punting unless it's 4th and 20." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 According to Pro Football Focus, the Bills had the second worst offense in the NFL this season... Behind (ahead of?) the Jaguars. Also, Kyle Orton is now rated as the third worst quarterback in the NFL to take a snap this season. Derek Carr and Blake Bortles (both rookies) were the only ones that had lower ratings. This just reinforces what I thought at the time of the decision: even if there's less than a 1% chance Manuel would improve, sticking with him was the better move. But I'm not a coach panicking about his job. Give me a coach that starts his introductory press conference with "Once we cross the 50 yard line we're not punting unless it's 4th and 20." Sadly, I don't think that coach exists. Even the so-called aggressive coaches make hilariously bad punting decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Look at it this way. The Bills gave us an early Christmas present. We now are now going to be eliminated from the playoffs in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Just because I'm bored and this is one of my days off with nobody else at home, I'll make Whaley/the next GM's job easier: This is a list of every starting QB and their backup on an NFL roster currently ranked in tiers of whether or not they're an upgrade... Don't waste your time, not an upgrade: Brian Hoyer Chad Henne Josh McCown Matt Cassel Christian Ponder Geno Smith Matt Schaub Jimmy Clausen Case Keenum TJ Yates Charlie Whitehurst Bruce Gradkowski Kellen Clemens Tyrod Taylor Curtis Painter Brandon Weeden Dan Orlovsky Blaine Gabbert Lateral move at best, no thanks: Shaun Hill Michael Vick Mark Sanchez Jason Campbell Matt Moore Chase Daniel Drew Stanton Derek Anderson We've been down that road before: Ryan Fitzpatrick Matt Flynn Jordan Palmer Tarvaris Jackson Thad Lewis Not enough to know one way or the other, not worth finding out: Brock Osweiler Ryan Mallett Johnny Manziel Mike Glennon Matt Hasselback (hasn't played in so long who knows what he is, too old) Jake Locker Kirk Cousins (only one of this group worth calling on) Young and full of potential but not available: Derek Carr Teddy Bridgewater Blake Bortles Ryan Tannehill Upgrade but likely too much risk: Sam Bradford Carson Palmer Definite upgrade but not worth the price of admission: Alex Smith Joe Flacco Colin Kaepernick Andy Dalton Young upgrades with potential worth gambling on: Nick Foles Robert Griffin III Veteran upgrades who may be available: Eli Manning Jay Cutler Star power that has a small chance of being available: Cam Newton Phillip Rivers Drew Brees (last year of deal, NO reluctant in contract talks) Matt Ryan (will they blow it up? probably not) The untouchables but one can dream: Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Matt Stafford Tony Romo Russell Wilson Andrew Luck Ben Roethlisberger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Can we see some links to these so-called 'ratings'? We won more games with Orton than we would have with EJ. If the Bills had the 2nd worst offense and Orton is the 3rd worst QB.......... I can't imagine how bad the Bills would have been with EJ. Edited December 22, 2014 by JJFIVEOH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Can we see some links to these so-called 'ratings'? We won more games with Orton than we would have with EJ. If the Bills had the 2nd worst offense and Orton is the 3rd worst QB.......... I can't imagine how bad the Bills would have been with EJ. Have to be a PFF member to see the ratings. People who are tweeted them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 IF it was Whaleys decision to draft EJ(which everyone under the sun exc for the Bills knew not to do) then compounds the mistake by giving up a 1st for Sammy in a superrich WR draft then he needs to go. Those moves crippled the Bills for the foreseeable future . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 IF it was Whaleys decision to draft EJ(which everyone under the sun exc for the Bills knew not to do) then compounds the mistake by giving up a 1st for Sammy in a superrich WR draft then he needs to go. Those moves crippled the Bills for the foreseeable future . I wouldn't go that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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