Johnny DangerFace Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I was going a little high with those numbers just to account for high demands. But he could probably get that on the open market. $4-5M will be his final number I assume. Hughes might end up with just $9-10M but I went a little high there, too. I can see Dareus demanding at or near McCoy's $13.5M. Maybe he loves us and goes a little lower. If searcy does cost that much I wonder if you just let him go and replace internally or more cheaply. A free safety playing next to aaron williams, these corners, and this front seven is not the hardest job haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 You mean finding something to worry about after one of the most glorious Bills defensive performances ever? Yeah. It is. I said I'd take it, upthread, it was a great win. It was one of the best defensive performances ever. It was awesome. And if a fan doesn't think this D has been completely wasted this year. They are willfully blind or completely football illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 If searcy does cost that much I wonder if you just let him go and replace internally or more cheaply. A free safety playing next to aaron williams, these corners, and this front seven is not the hardest job haha His comparables are all around $4.5M to $5M. I would pay him. I think he's a big player for this defense. They played well without him, though. Just think he's always in there forcing turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 As far as a Jay Cutler trade goes: five years ago he was traded for Kyle Orton, a first and a third when he was 26 in 2009. He's now 31 and has a similarly strained relationship with the team that may make him available. I would give a second and a conditional third in 2016 (if Cutler starts a playoff game in 2015 it's a third. If not it's a fourth. They can have Manuel or Orton, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 As far as a Jay Cutler trade goes: five years ago he was traded for Kyle Orton, a first and a third when he was 26 in 2009. He's now 31 and has a similarly strained relationship with the team that may make him available. I would give a second and a conditional third in 2016 (if Cutler starts a playoff game in 2015 it's a third. If not it's a fourth. They can have Manuel or Orton, too. No. There's a small chance that he's the answer to our QB problem. You want as many tickets in that lottery as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) No. There's a small chance that he's the answer to our QB problem. You want as many tickets in that lottery as possible. If we get Cutler then Manuel doesn't matter. If a team we're trading with asks us to include Manuel and won't do the trade without him I would be pissed if they said no. If you trade for Cutler he's likely you're starter for at least the next five years. Manuel isn't going to be around in five years if that's the case. Edited December 15, 2014 by Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I don't think Cutler is a long term solution. It's fine that you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I don't think Cutler is a long term solution. It's fine that you do. He's far better than what we have and have had for a while, despite his struggles. Either way -- if you make the big move to trade for him you're committing to him long-term. Which makes Manuel more irrelevant than he already is. Same with guys like Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Orton is serviceable on the way to the next QB. My problem with Orton is the blitz. Like many QBs in the league, he absolutely wilts under the blitz. If they could fix that, he could work for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Journeyman just journeyin'. Yup. Much as Fitzpatrick was. Both Fitzpatrick and Orton were the better of two or three poor choices for the Bills - but at the end of the day remain that - poor choices. Management needs to procure a QUALITY QB, and shore up that offensive line - watch a good team like Dallas - and the protection their line gives the QB. The reason the Bills are in this situation now - with a perennial lackluster offense and no good options for QB - are directly related to past decisions by Brandon and Whaley. Both of them should be shown the door at the end of the season; they are throwbacks/ties to an atrocious, record-setting bad span of Bills history. And let them take Hackett and Marrone with them when they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Orton is serviceable on the way to the next QB. My problem with Orton is the blitz. Like many QBs in the league, he absolutely wilts under the blitz. If they could fix that, he could work for another season. He's only "serviceable" because this defense is incredible. We would all be vomiting while watching him if the defense wasn't good. Without an average defense this team loses by an average of 30 points a week. If they don't make a move at QB going into next season then I'll be absolutely pissed. Another wasted opportunity and the exact reason this team is approaching two decades without the playoffs. It's time to make the move now. They can't afford to leave it in the hands of Orton who can make the occasional big throw but is otherwise mediocre or Manuel who has shown nothing to this point. Go get the vet and make a playoff run. Edited December 15, 2014 by Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I think there were too many "miscues" on the part of the Packers yesterday...thanks Uncle Terry, for buying us this one. Edited December 15, 2014 by 716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohicksie Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) If they don't make a move at QB going into next season then I'll be absolutely pissed. Another wasted opportunity and the exact reason this team is approaching two decades without the playoffs. It's time to make the move now. They can't afford to leave it in the hands of Orton who can make the occasional big throw but is otherwise mediocre or Manuel who has shown nothing to this point. Go get the vet and make a playoff run. This. In spades. That said, I walked into the office and the sports talk was naturally about the Cowboys win. One of the guys saw me and said, "Hey you're from Buffalo aren't you? That was a nice win by the Bills." If only we had a QB, we'd be dangerous. Maybe we should hire Flutie out of retirement. Edited December 15, 2014 by Neuvirths Glove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Jim Rome singing the praises of the defense, Bacarri Rambo, and John Murphy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Maybe we should hire Flutie out of retirement. Co-signed. I miss Flutie-Flakes, and those Wegmans' Flutie sub sandwiches they used to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 It is something to be witness to this defense. What they did yesterday was nothing short of amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Jim Rome singing the praises of the defense, Bacarri Rambo, and John Murphy today. What did he say about Murph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 And I think he'll be in Maryland anyway. This has Snyder screwiness written all over it. Dan Snyder has ###### up that team so bad. I'm loving every second of it. I think free agents will want to play for a guy like Pegula. He spends money and isn't a big giant douche like Snyder. I'm strangely optimistic about the future of the Bills if we can find a QB who can make basic throws. Here's a pretty compelling (if lengthy) article about Dan Snyder that I happened upon a few days ago: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder What a terrible person he seems like. I starting to fear that the inability to fix the quarterback situation may cause one of the greatest NFL defenses of ALL TIME to never make the playoffs. That is startlingly Buffalo. Down, boy. All-time great Ds don't get shredded at home the way the Patriots and Chargers did to the Bills earlier this year. If we get Cutler then Manuel doesn't matter. If a team we're trading with asks us to include Manuel and won't do the trade without him I would be pissed if they said no. If you trade for Cutler he's likely you're starter for at least the next five years. Manuel isn't going to be around in five years if that's the case. Why? If all they give up is a couple of non-first-round picks? Why is that any different from drafting a QB in the 1st round every year until you get the right guy? I'd be fine with trading that #2 pick for Cutler or RGIII, BTW -- but I'd want them to keep Orton and Manuel as well. They just need to bring in one guy who can be a viable NFL QB with some upside. And at that price, it's not a disaster if it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just looking at the draft -- there are a good number of guards that we should take a long look at in the 2nd/3rd: South Carolina's AJ Cann, Bama's Arie Kouandjio (Cyrus' brother) and Josue Matias of FSU. Other options: Bama's RB TJ Yeldon (only other RB outside of Melvin Gordon I would be interested in), potentially UCLA's QB Brett Hundley (meh, don't have a definitive opinion of him yet). The only TE that has high marks is Notre Dame's Ben Koyack. Sorry for the early draft talk with two games left in the season and still a decent chance at the playoffs. Just looking through to get an early idea. For the record: I have no clue how to scout offensive linemen, so I'm just going off rankings with them. The other guys I've seen and have a decent idea of what I think of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just looking at the draft -- there are a good number of guards that we should take a long look at in the 2nd/3rd: South Carolina's AJ Cann, Bama's Arie Kouandjio (Cyrus' brother) and Josue Matias of FSU. Other options: Bama's RB TJ Yeldon (only other RB outside of Melvin Gordon I would be interested in), potentially UCLA's QB Brett Hundley (meh, don't have a definitive opinion of him yet). The only TE that has high marks is Notre Dame's Ben Koyack. Sorry for the early draft talk with two games left in the season and still a decent chance at the playoffs. Just looking through to get an early idea. For the record: I have no clue how to scout offensive linemen, so I'm just going off rankings with them. The other guys I've seen and have a decent idea of what I think of them. Hmm interesting. I still take Gurley over Yeldon but an interesting list none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Here's a pretty compelling (if lengthy) article about Dan Snyder that I happened upon a few days ago: http://www.washingto...e-to-dan-snyder What a terrible person he seems like. Down, boy. All-time great Ds don't get shredded at home the way the Patriots and Chargers did to the Bills earlier this year. Why? If all they give up is a couple of non-first-round picks? Why is that any different from drafting a QB in the 1st round every year until you get the right guy? I'd be fine with trading that #2 pick for Cutler or RGIII, BTW -- but I'd want them to keep Orton and Manuel as well. They just need to bring in one guy who can be a viable NFL QB with some upside. And at that price, it's not a disaster if it doesn't work. I'm saying that Cutler has the talent to be the QB for a decent amount of time. If you make a move to acquire him you're making a commitment to him. His contract is basically year-to-year after the next two seasons. So realistically you could just cut him after that point if it fails. But I still don't think Manuel factors into the plans if they trade for a vet. If a team wants him I wouldn't hold him back. Hmm interesting. I still take Gurley over Yeldon but an interesting list none the less. I think Gurley has more talent than Yeldon, but his injury still worries me. If we get to draft time and it's looking like Gurley will be 100% by the time the season rolls around then I take him over Yeldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Just looking at the draft -- there are a good number of guards that we should take a long look at in the 2nd/3rd: South Carolina's AJ Cann, Bama's Arie Kouandjio (Cyrus' brother) and Josue Matias of FSU. Other options: Bama's RB TJ Yeldon (only other RB outside of Melvin Gordon I would be interested in), potentially UCLA's QB Brett Hundley (meh, don't have a definitive opinion of him yet). The only TE that has high marks is Notre Dame's Ben Koyack. Sorry for the early draft talk with two games left in the season and still a decent chance at the playoffs. Just looking through to get an early idea. For the record: I have no clue how to scout offensive linemen, so I'm just going off rankings with them. The other guys I've seen and have a decent idea of what I think of them. Miss State's RB, Josh Robinson, is a name I'd be interested in, but I think he's only a junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 What did he say about Murph? He loved the "First Blood" reference on Rambo's first interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Down, boy. All-time great Ds don't get shredded at home the way the Patriots and Chargers did to the Bills earlier this year.. You are correct. In fact, looking at the Packers, every good defense that they have played this year has done exactly what we did yesterday. As good as it feels. This team isn't close yet. They have a great defense, but with no offense, you need an ALL TIME great defense, and we don't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Down, boy. All-time great Ds don't get shredded at home the way the Patriots and Chargers did to the Bills earlier this year I don't think it's an all-time great D, but it could very well be the best D in the league this year. Sure, the Patriots and Chargers had their way, but both of those games came in the first half of this season, with the team under a new defensive scheme for the fourth year in a row. The defense has gotten better as the season has progressed, and has only allowed the Dolphins to throw a passing TD on them since week 7. I am definitely looking forward to see how they hold up against Brady in week 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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