LastPommerFan Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 And now we know why the Bills should force feed balls to Sammy. This sounds awful.
darksabre Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 When does your offensive coordinator get fired? I mean the Bills are scoring on plays in which the QB is in a hurry up and basically calling audibles at the line. Two or three weeks ago would have been ideal.
SwampD Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 This sounds awful. I'm pretty sure I will laugh at this at different times all day long.
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Two or three weeks ago would have been ideal. He was the hire everyone questioned, they guy should not be calling plays in the NFL. It is only a matter of time win or lose
SwampD Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 That Reed's Jewelers commercial on WGR that tells guys to take advantage of the bye week to register for their wedding is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.
Iron Crotch Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 When does your offensive coordinator get fired? I mean the Bills are scoring on plays in which the QB is in a hurry up and basically calling audibles at the line. I was screaming at my TV yesterday about the play calling. Down 6 in the 4th quarter with your top two running backs out hurt. Yet, we were running it up the middle down after down or doing those stupid 2 yard out patterns, which are completely useless. Orton bailed Hackett out with some great throws when it mattered.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Orton seeing that the Minny D wasn't set right on that 4th and 20 and calling the play early was really neat. Pretty sure EJ would not have seen that. It's still early and I still don't see Orton leading the charge into the playoffs, but I might be coming around on my initial reaction to the change. I still believe that at their current best, they're functionally identical, and EJ clearly has more upside (even if it's unlikely he realizes it). However, it may be that Orton hits his best more often than EJ, and currently EJ's worst is worse than Orton's worst.
wjag Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 It's still early and I still don't see Orton leading the charge into the playoffs, but I might be coming around on my initial reaction to the change. I still believe that at their current best, they're functionally identical, and EJ clearly has more upside (even if it's unlikely he realizes it). However, it may be that Orton hits his best more often than EJ, and currently EJ's worst is worse than Orton's worst. I don't think there is a comparison at this point. No way EJ makes those throws. Not in my mind at least.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 I don't think there is a comparison at this point. No way EJ makes those throws. Not in my mind at least. But he has before. He's led 4th quarter rallies with time dwindling. It's just so inconsistent. And let's be honest here, Orton wasn't exactly covering himself in glory for the vast majority of that game--in fact, he has yet to put together a good performance from the opening kickoff to the final whistle.
Hoss Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 It's still early and I still don't see Orton leading the charge into the playoffs, but I might be coming around on my initial reaction to the change. I still believe that at their current best, they're functionally identical, and EJ clearly has more upside (even if it's unlikely he realizes it). However, it may be that Orton hits his best more often than EJ, and currently EJ's worst is worse than Orton's worst. In three games Orton has 50 more yards, the same number of TDs and a QB rating 12 points higher than Manuel did in 4. Orton is well on his way to 3000 yards passing in just 12 games. The things Orton has been doing are things Manuel consistently failed to do. Orton isn't the savior, but he's a huge step up from Manuel.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 But he has before. He's led 4th quarter rallies with time dwindling. It's just so inconsistent. And let's be honest here, Orton wasn't exactly covering himself in glory for the vast majority of that game--in fact, he has yet to put together a good performance from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. I haven't looked, but I know EJ didn't have a 300 yard game. It is possible that of EJ's 14 starts and Orton's 3, Orton has the highest yard total for the 1st 3 slots. This doesn't mean he is the better athlete at the position, but between performance, decision making, and trust to actually throw it....it shows a lot. Orton has made audibles all 3 games that resulted in big plays. Even the NE game....he freed Chandler up for the 30 yarder. It's easier to see in person. Also....Sammy Watkins is nowhere near where he needs to be in understanding and recognition.....which is a great thing. In 3-4 years, he may actually be a superstar. I felt bad for EJ in the San DIego game....Watkins was confused on a few plays, and while people wanted to blast EJ, at the game you could tell Sammy wasn't kosher. I think you saw that last week with Orton and Goodwin as well. I don't even know who to compare Watkins too at this point, but at least he is not a BUST. He may not be a HOF player or even a regular Pro Bowler, but he isn't a bust.....amen.
Hoss Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 It is possible that of EJ's 14 starts and Orton's 3, Orton has the highest yard total for the 1st 3 slots. Not to discount your point but Orton would have the top two and then Manuel's 296 against Carolina comes in.
Doohicksie Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Orton wasn't exactly covering himself in glory for the vast majority of that game--in fact, he has yet to put together a good performance from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. He doesn't have to, not with this defense. The defense keeps the team in the game late into the 4th quarter most weeks. In the last drive of a game, you can't expect that EJ will rally the team for the big win; you can expect a shot from Orton though. It seems like during a game Orton gets a better read on the defense as he goes along so that by the end of the game he's actually a pretty good QB. EJ on the other hand seems to get more discouraged so that by the end of the game his confidence isn't there and he doubts himself. Looking at it another way, EJ is feeling the pressure of proving himself and establishing his career. Orton is already kind of a bust and doesn't have expectations of being a starter long term, so win or lose, Orton is playing with house money and doesn't feel the pressure. It's all bonus.
qwksndmonster Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Ghost, can you explain the deficiencies you've seen in Sammy's game? I've only seem one game live this year so I haven't had a chance to watch the WRs much, unless they're being thrown to. From what I've seen Sammy is open on almost every play, and has great hands. Orton has been really impressive at the end of quarter 4. He's good for at least 3-5 boneheaded plays a game, but gets it done when it matters. He doesn't look good enough to me to beat good teams consistently, though. I think with better offensive coaching we could be in the mix for a playoff spot. Right now, I think we're 8-8 at best.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Ghost, can you explain the deficiencies you've seen in Sammy's game? I've only seem one game live this year so I haven't had a chance to watch the WRs much, unless they're being thrown to. From what I've seen Sammy is open on almost every play, and has great hands. Orton has been really impressive at the end of quarter 4. He's good for at least 3-5 boneheaded plays a game, but gets it done when it matters. He doesn't look good enough to me to beat good teams consistently, though. I think with better offensive coaching we could be in the mix for a playoff spot. Right now, I think we're 8-8 at best. I'm talking playbook and route running. His physical skills and smoothness are great. I'm not sure about his breakaway speed, but the reason he was a top 10 guy was because of his smoothness in and out of routes. He wastes little motion and I think that is what allows him a split second advantage to get open. The San Diego game, Watkins was lining up on the wrong side of formation a few times, and on one drive, Woods actually got frustrated with him and yelled at him while on the field because he was asking questions in formation. I felt bad for EJ.....does anyone remember that one 3rd down play where he threw it 20-25 yards down the field to nobody and landed to the turf without a reciever within 10 yards of it? That was on Watkins is my guess. I'm just saying, he has a long way to go in the mental part before he is a superstar. Once he learns the craft of the game and his position, then he has a chance to be special. I still don't know where to slot him though. He is a little short and a little less strong than the typical regular outside prow-bowl types. He's also beefier than the normal slot, but has that shiftiness, yet so far doesn't seem like he thrives on contact and wants to bull through for YAC. He did so in college, but usually had less guys in the area and more open space. I've seen him aligator arm it a few too many times for my liking. I'm also not too sure about his durability. A lot of his catches have been on protected routes where he is out of bounds and avoids contact. He's made some nice ones downfield and taking some hits, but you just don't see that Andre Reed thriving on contact. He will get there though. All this can be attributed to being young.
Hoss Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Just "met" Sammy Watkins at Walmart in Hamburg. By met I mean that the lady in between us in line asked me to take their picture and he shook my hand to thank me for doing it.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Just "met" Sammy Watkins at Walmart in Hamburg. By met I mean that the lady in between us in line asked me to take their picture and he shook my hand to thank me for doing it. Come'on...we need more than that if you are going to be on air soon. We know you followed him around for a few minutes from 3 aisles away even though you had everything you needed and waited to get in his line but let the broad in between you so it didn't look obvious. It's a good sign he is at Walmart. So what was in the cart? Please tell me a video game, some soda and beef jerky....maybe some cheap towels...... If it is Preperation-H and a tube of KY......we're doomed!
Hoss Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Come'on...we need more than that if you are going to be on air soon. We know you followed him around for a few minutes from 3 aisles away even though you had everything you needed and waited to get in his line but let the broad in between you so it didn't look obvious. It's a good sign he is at Walmart. So what was in the cart? Please tell me a video game, some soda and beef jerky....maybe some cheap towels...... If it is Preperation-H and a tube of KY......we're doomed! The only thing that caught my eye is that he returned his cart after loading his car. Definitely too soft to play in this league.
inkman Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Come'on...we need more than that if you are going to be on air soon. We know you followed him around for a few minutes from 3 aisles away even though you had everything you needed and waited to get in his line but let the broad in between you so it didn't look obvious. It's a good sign he is at Walmart. So what was in the cart? Please tell me a video game, some soda and beef jerky....maybe some cheap towels...... If it is Preperation-H and a tube of KY......we're doomed! I have a severe aversion to walmart. The only thing that caught my eye is that he returned his cart after loading his car. Definitely too soft to play in this league. Yeah I would have been looking for Sammy to find the nearest baby fling his cart in his direction screaming "Get that tiny little weak ass human out my face!!!"
inkman Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 You are not a superstar if I haven't heard of you Danielle bradberry
Stoner Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 The only thing that caught my eye is that he returned his cart after loading his car. Definitely too soft to play in this league. So you followed him to the parking lot?
Hoss Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 So you followed him to the parking lot? I followed him to the store, to the checkout isle, to the parking lot and on Twitter. No, actually I just checked out right behind them and happened to be parked like ten spots away.
SwampD Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 The only thing that caught my eye is that he returned his cart after loading his car. Definitely too soft to play in this league. That's really funny.
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