Iron Crotch Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think you'll be surprised how many players actually might want to come here. Some positives: We have an uber-rich owner who doesn't mind front-loading cash laden contracts We have a ton of cap space to throw money at guys We have a ton of prospects and draft picks, which bodes well for the team's future We have some good young players already We have a coach who guys really love playing for While the city of Buffalo might be a tough sell for NFL free agents, there are quite a few hockey players from nearby in Southern Ontario and WNY. It's actually a pretty desirable location for many hockey players. In Tim Murry we trust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Neuvirth mentioned something in his first interview here in Buffalo that I found positive: he recognized that this was a team that is rebuilding and he said he liked the idea of a team growing together, and, by implication, bonding together. Young players, especially, must find this prospect enticing. These guys grow up in team environments, and spend their formative years on the same teams in minor leagues; I would have to imagine getting onto a team and developing relationships within it, and then trying to take that bundle all the way to glory has a lot of appeal. Certainly, if I were a player, that'd be the path I'd like to take, rather than being with a bunch of mercenaries. Even now, we saw Miller and other members of the old "core" lamenting it being broken apart; guys becoming all upset when others are traded or leave. There are some players who are all about the money, but, to a man, I think they all in some way, yearn to be on a roster that stays intact a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Neuvirth mentioned something in his first interview here in Buffalo that I found positive: he recognized that this was a team that is rebuilding and he said he liked the idea of a team growing together, and, by implication, bonding together. Young players, especially, must find this prospect enticing. These guys grow up in team environments, and spend their formative years on the same teams in minor leagues; I would have to imagine getting onto a team and developing relationships within it, and then trying to take that bundle all the way to glory has a lot of appeal. Certainly, if I were a player, that'd be the path I'd like to take, rather than being with a bunch of mercenaries. Even now, we saw Miller and other members of the old "core" lamenting it being broken apart; guys becoming all upset when others are traded or leave. There are some players who are all about the money, but, to a man, I think they all in some way, yearn to be on a roster that stays intact a long time. Moulson mentioned when he left that he had never been in a room that was that close or words to that effect. Apparently the sabres despite their terrible record have a tight group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think you'll be surprised how many players actually might want to come here. I would indeed be surprised if it were many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think you'll be surprised how many players actually might want to come here. I would indeed be surprised if it were many. Players who may be interested: (reasons) Ott (location, experience and family) Moulson (expeience, money, terms of contract would likely be the biggest point) Callahan (hometown team and money) Jagr (money and could be deadline bait again) Whitney (money) many other older players looking for a job and a cash out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) I wouldn't, players from the area who grew up watching and being a fan of the sabres, they'll always have that litlle kid inside that wanted to be a sabre. Those should be Callahan and Kane (in 2015). Hell even Ott said its nice playinig closer to home and i consider him one to come back also. We might have to overpay Callahan and Ott over the next two years but if i want two guys teaching our kids its those two. Edit: if kane refuses to extend with chicago i can see him beeing with us sooner rather than later, allthough that wouldn't fit the tank plan :P Edited March 11, 2014 by Heimdall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I wouldn't, players from the area who grew up watching and being a fan of the sabres, they'll always have that litlle kid inside that wanted to be a sabre. Those should be Callahan and Kane (in 2015). Hell even Ott said its nice playinig closer to home and i consider him one to come back also. We might have to overpay Callahan and Ott over the next two years but if i want two guys teaching our kids its those two. Edit: if kane refuses to extend with chicago i can see him beeing with us sooner rather than later, allthough that wouldn't fit the tank plan :P Why would Kane refuse to extend with Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Why would Kane refuse to extend with Chicago? I'd say the *only* reason would be he has a burning desire to play for the Sabres. While I think that's possible, I wouldn't bet my SS-bux bankroll on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Why would Kane refuse to extend with Chicago? Lots of speculation that it's either Toews or Kane since both will demand the same type of contract and Chicago might not be willing to pay them both. Thinking is they keep the captain? Not saying it will happen, but it could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Lots of speculation that it's either Toews or Kane since both will demand the same type of contract and Chicago might not be willing to pay them both. Thinking is they keep the captain? Not saying it will happen, but it could. Wait..... teams are allowed to keep their captain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think you'll be surprised how many players actually might want to come here. I think there is some truth to this, Buffalo by several accounts has some of the best facilities and amenities in the NHL for it's players and with Harbor Center is set to become a major player in all levels of hockey. Combine that with a top rated prospect system and a hard working close knit bunch coached by a coach who squeezes every last ounce of compete from his players and you got something special building. Throw in an owner who has some money to spend and boom, this thing really starts taking off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Some positives: We have an uber-rich owner who doesn't mind front-loading cash laden contracts We have a ton of cap space to throw money at guys We have a ton of prospects and draft picks, which bodes well for the team's future We have some good young players already We have a coach who guys really love playing for While the city of Buffalo might be a tough sell for NFL free agents, there are quite a few hockey players from nearby in Southern Ontario and WNY. It's actually a pretty desirable location for many hockey players. In Tim Murry we trust! Didn't the new CBA eliminate the front loading of contracts, with huge bonuses paid upfront? Edited March 11, 2014 by Sabres Fan In NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Mostly, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Wait..... teams are allowed to keep their captain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Why would Kane refuse to extend with Chicago? At some point Bowman has to start worrying about the Hossa Contract. After 2017 his salary is only $1M/yr. If he retires or leaves the country, Chicago has to pay a $4.28M cap recapture penalty through 2021. If he stays, he's a 40-year-old man with a $5.25M cap hit. Given their successes, I think the contract was obviously worth it, but the time is coming to start paying the piper. Unless, of course, they use an amnesty on him this summer. They'll also have $6M tied up in one goalie starting next year, with no backup. Chicago's situation is complicated. Unless Hossa is bought out, Toews or Kane (and I think more likely Kane) might get moved at the draft, or this summer, to reduce the long term payroll liabilities and free up some space for next season. Trading one of those guys for younger (cheaper) assets is definately a reasonable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 At some point Bowman has to start worrying about the Hossa Contract. After 2017 his salary is only $1M/yr. If he retires or leaves the country, Chicago has to pay a $4.28M cap recapture penalty through 2021. If he stays, he's a 40-year-old man with a $5.25M cap hit. Given their successes, I think the contract was obviously worth it, but the time is coming to start paying the piper. Unless, of course, they use an amnesty on him this summer. They'll also have $6M tied up in one goalie starting next year, with no backup. Chicago's situation is complicated. Unless Hossa is bought out, Toews or Kane (and I think more likely Kane) might get moved at the draft, or this summer, to reduce the long term payroll liabilities and free up some space for next season. Trading one of those guys for younger (cheaper) assets is definately a reasonable option. I'm not saying it's impossible, but if Bowman moves Kane because of Hossa's contract instead of just buying out Hossa, then he's an idiot. And no, I don't care what the return on the Kane trade would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm not saying it's impossible, but if Bowman moves Kane because of Hossa's contract instead of just buying out Hossa, then he's an idiot. And no, I don't care what the return on the Kane trade would be. Stan Bowman is a genius. If he chooses to trade Kane and keep Hossa around a few more years, and we don't understand why he did it, then we are clearly not geniuses. He built a cup winner, dismantled huge parts, and rebuilt a cup winner 3 years later around a core of like 4 guys. And if that is not enough proof that he is clearly the best GM of this generation and a front office wizard: He graduated from Notre Dame. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Toews and Kane are going nowhere. If you think the Hawks are going to move a contract your best bet is Hjalmarsson. He's set to make $4.1 million a year for the next five years and is not bogged down by a NTC or NMC. That would give the Hawks about $10 mil to fill a handful of roster spots and take care of their two RFA's if they chose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Toews and Kane are going nowhere. If you think the Hawks are going to move a contract your best bet is Hjalmarsson. He's set to make $4.1 million a year for the next five years and is not bogged down by a NTC or NMC. That would give the Hawks about $10 mil to fill a handful of roster spots and take care of their two RFA's if they chose to. I completely agree, it's all on whether the play is for next year or longer term. Moving one of the forwards for top notch RFA talent frees up space and eliminates the UFA "walk risk". I'd put it at 90-10 that your scenario will be the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think a Hossa buyout is likely. there should be a handful of amnesty buyouts this summer and the odds of them picking up someone cheaper is high i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Marian Hossa is very underrated, but I do think he'll end up getting bought out if Chicago doesn't think it can figure out it's cap stuff otherwise. Edited March 12, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Stan Bowman is a genius. If he chooses to trade Kane and keep Hossa around a few more years, and we don't understand why he did it, then we are clearly not geniuses. He built a cup winner, dismantled huge parts, and rebuilt a cup winner 3 years later around a core of like 4 guys. And if that is not enough proof that he is clearly the best GM of this generation and a front office wizard: He graduated from Notre Dame. I rest my case. Why did you post anything else? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt88 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Currently we have 13 contracts committed to next season @ 36.9M Tyler Ennis - offer 4 year 16M (3.5, 4.0, 4.0, 4.5) - 4M cap hit Cory Conacher - offer 2 year 2.8M (1.3, 1.5) - 1.4M cap hit Marcus Foligno - tough contract - offer 2 year 5.6M (2.6, 3.0) - cap hit 2.8M that's 8.2M added or 16 contracts @ 45.1M now we have 7 contracts and about 9M needed to be spent. 2/3 UFA's and the cap floor won't be a problem. Konopka, D'Agostini, McBain can all walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellinator Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://spectorshockey.net/blog/nhl-salary-cap-could-be-lower-than-projected/ Silver Lining.. Salary cap may not rise to 71 Million after all and may be more like 68 Million, which will keep the floor from going up too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://spectorshocke...than-projected/ Silver Lining.. Salary cap may not rise to 71 Million after all and may be more like 68 Million, which will keep the floor from going up too much. I keep telling people this but no one seems to care. A week Canadian Dollar could keep the cap at around 68-69mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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