Stoner Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Hasek is now a Sabres HoFer. the question is now what jersey is going in the rafters for his number retirement? I think it has to be the black and red. Dom says Detroit. Quote
inkman Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Hamilton goes so far out of his way to say Hasek is the best "regular season goalie" he's ever seen. It's super annoying and unnecessary. If that's his opinion fine but in evey interview I've listened to in the last week, Hamilton has been sure to qualify his praise of Dom with that regular season crack. Quote
nfreeman Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Here's where I disagree. Your argument works today because the gap between the Lundqvists and the Rasks to the next tier of goalies today is not huge. The gap between Hasek and Rask or Lundqvist is far greater. Hasek was special. He dominated. He made a bigger difference in more games than Lidstrom or Forsberg ever did. During his heyday, he would have been picked first overall. I agree that Dominik was a force of nature. I think though that Forsberg was also one, as was Lidstrom in a different way. I also think that if I were building a team, I'd choose having a force at center, and maybe D, over having one in net. (So I'd take Forsberg and Stastny over Dom but not sure about Lidstrom. I'd definitely take Orr over Dominik.) Quote
Eleven Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Hamilton goes so far out of his way to say Hasek is the best "regular season goalie" he's ever seen. It's super annoying and unnecessary. If that's his opinion fine but in evey interview I've listened to in the last week, Hamilton has been sure to qualify his praise of Dom with that regular season crack. I have not heard him say that, but I trust you that he did. Nonsense. Complete nonsense. If there's a better goalie in the entire history of hockey, it's Tretiak, and even that is a good debate. Quote
beerme1 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Hasek finally looks old. ###### you! Said my rotting almost 48 year old body. Have a nice day. :flirt: Quote
Stoner Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 I have not heard him say that, but I trust you that he did. Nonsense. Complete nonsense. If there's a better goalie in the entire history of hockey, it's Tretiak, and even that is a good debate. You're not addressing Hamilton's point though, that there was some kind of dropoff in his game in the postseason. Statistically probably nonsense, but Dom certainly had his moments in the playoffs. Quote
Eleven Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 You're not addressing Hamilton's point though, that there was some kind of dropoff in his game in the postseason. Statistically probably nonsense, but Dom certainly had his moments in the playoffs. His statistics were better in the playoffs, actually. And with respect to GAA, I'd say the difference (about 10 percent) is significant: http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hasekdo01.html Hamilton really doesn't have a point to address, IMO. Quote
Weave Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 His statistics were better in the playoffs, actually. And with respect to GAA, I'd say the difference (about 10 percent) is significant: http://www.hockey-re.../hasekdo01.html Hamilton really doesn't have a point to address, IMO. He does if you consider the phantom injuries and times where it was perceived that he walked out on his teammates. Quote
Stoner Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 He does if you consider the phantom injuries and times where it was perceived that he walked out on his teammates. Meltdown vs. Caps. Kasparaitis. Maybe even weak goal against Stars in Game 6, but that's getting awfully picky. Quote
Hoss Posted March 30, 2014 Author Report Posted March 30, 2014 Ina mya opiniona, Ominikda AsekHa ouldsha eba ewna Esidentpra ofa Ockeyha Oprerationsa. Ahha, ahha, ahha, ahha... The fact that I can read this impresses me while I sit on this toilet. Quote
Stoner Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 The fact that I can read this impresses me while I sit on this toilet. You're sittin on da toilet? Quote
Eleven Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 He does if you consider the phantom injuries and times where it was perceived that he walked out on his teammates. The thought did occur to me that Hamilton might have been going there. Meltdown vs. Caps. Kasparaitis. Maybe even weak goal against Stars in Game 6, but that's getting awfully picky. Can't win 'em all, as Tretiak himself showed us once! Quote
Marvelo Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Playoffs are tougher than the regular season and our various owners, bless em, have never loaded for bear for the playoffs. So we've had a tough time. But we'll never know if Hasek let up any crucial playoff goals on purpose. Seems to me the way he skated off the ice after the Kasperaitus goal, he knew he wasn't coming back. Quote
26CornerBlitz Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 Playoffs are tougher than the regular season and our various owners, bless em, have never loaded for bear for the playoffs. So we've had a tough time. But we'll never know if Hasek let up any crucial playoff goals on purpose. Seems to me the way he skated off the ice after the Kasperaitus goal, he knew he wasn't coming back. I was at that game. What an empty feeling after it was over. Quote
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2014 Report Posted March 31, 2014 @BuffaloSabres #HeadsUp: The @SabresStore has a limited number of Hasek tees available in men's sizes S through XL. Quote
LastPommerFan Posted March 31, 2014 Report Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Well, league scoring in Dom's heyday was actually a bit (not much) lower than it is today: http://www.hockey-re...gues/stats.html I think you're looking at this incorrectly: League Scoring 1992-2001 2.97gpg. League Scoring Last 5 years: 2.77 gpg. But that's not even why I'd want Hasek, presumably if everyone is scoring more, so would your team. Why I'd want hasek is how much better he was than all the other goalies. Looking at his heyday (1993-1999) Hasek lead the league in sv% every year. His average over that time was .930. The average of the second place starting goalie (keep in mind that this was 5 different guys over that time) was 0.922. In other words hasek was about 12-14 goals better than the next best guy you could have put in net every year. The average 5th place finisher was 0.916, so Hasek was more than 20 goals a season better than all but 4 other guys in the league. And you knew Hasek was going to be #1, you had no idea who the next 4 were going to be year to year. Looking at the last 5 years, average #1 sv% was 0.935 (4 different guys) average #2 was .931, average #5 was 0.926. The best guys are putting up as good or better numbers than Hasek, but the field has totally caught up. League average save percentage 1993-1994: 0.902 League average sv% for the last 5 seasons: 0.913 Even the average guys have gotten better. Hasek was a huge difference maker. Most years, the difference between him and the next best guy (in terms of goals) was as big or bigger than the typical difference between Gretzky and the Next best guy. Certainly bigger than the difference between any of the Euros you mention, and the next best guy at their position. Edited March 31, 2014 by Glass Case Of Emotion Quote
apuszczalowski Posted March 31, 2014 Report Posted March 31, 2014 I think you're looking at this incorrectly: League Scoring 1992-2001 2.97gpg. League Scoring Last 5 years: 2.77 gpg. But that's not even why I'd want Hasek, presumably if everyone is scoring more, so would your team. Why I'd want hasek is how much better he was than all the other goalies. Looking at his heyday (1993-1999) Hasek lead the league in sv% every year. His average over that time was .930. The average of the second place starting goalie (keep in mind that this was 5 different guys over that time) was 0.922. In other words hasek was about 12-14 goals better than the next best guy you could have put in net every year. The average 5th place finisher was 0.916, so Hasek was more than 20 goals a season better than all but 4 other guys in the league. And you knew Hasek was going to be #1, you had no idea who the next 4 were going to be year to year. Looking at the last 5 years, average #1 sv% was 0.935 (4 different guys) average #2 was .931, average #5 was 0.926. The best guys are putting up as good or better numbers than Hasek, but the field has totally caught up. League average save percentage 1993-1994: 0.902 League average sv% for the last 5 seasons: 0.913 Even the average guys have gotten better. Hasek was a huge difference maker. Most years, the difference between him and the next best guy (in terms of goals) was as big or bigger than the typical difference between Gretzky and the Next best guy. Certainly bigger than the difference between any of the Euros you mention, and the next best guy at their position. Yup, the influence a great goaltender can have on your team is much greater then the influence of one of the better forwards or defencemen who are only on the ice for 30 minutes a game (at the most). Quote
TM8-PL16 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 I know this is an old thread but I didn't want to get my hand slapped for creating a new one... Anyway, I got word that the Hasek banner is already made and its black and red... but Terry might have it remade since he isn't sure he likes it. I really hope they make it blue and gold. Quote
Stoner Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 I know this is an old thread but I didn't want to get my hand slapped for creating a new one... Anyway, I got word that the Hasek banner is already made and its black and red... but Terry might have it remade since he isn't sure he likes it. I really hope they make it blue and gold. He's a Banner-Meddler. I knew it. Quote
Eleven Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 I know this is an old thread but I didn't want to get my hand slapped for creating a new one... Anyway, I got word that the Hasek banner is already made and its black and red... but Terry might have it remade since he isn't sure he likes it. I really hope they make it blue and gold. It had better ###### be blue and gold. Quote
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 If they put up black and red, I'm going to FNC with my Zebco reel and putting spinner hooks in that sucker. Quote
Taro T Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 If they put up black and red, I'm going to FNC with my Zebco reel and putting spinner hooks in that sucker. Yep. It's not like he didn't have accomplishments in b&g. 1st sub-2.00 since Parent was b&g. 70 save SO was b&g. It's not meddling when it's fixing something that's broken. Quote
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