GAME DISCUSSION THREAD GDT: Columbus at Buffalo 1-18-14 at 7:00 PM EST

inkman · January 19, 2014

I hope it is here, but Weber is the kind of depth guy I go after if I am a Boston, Pitt, LA. I can see an Ott/Weber package at the deadline for somebody's 1st.

Maybe he'll be the next Sean O'Donnell. Have face wash, will travel.

... · January 19, 2014

Mike Weber will win a Stanley Cup somewhere. He may be the #7 on that team, but he is a playoff d-man through and through. I can see someone trying to get him at the deadline.

I agree with this. He has his share of gaffs, but he's a heart and soul player that probably would feed off of playoff pressure.

Stoner · January 19, 2014

Mike Weber will win a Stanley Cup somewhere. He may be the #7 on that team, but he is a playoff d-man through and through. I can see someone trying to get him at the deadline.

For the facial hair alone, yes.

SwampD · January 19, 2014

Mike Weber will win a Stanley Cup somewhere. He may be the #7 on that team, but he is a playoff d-man through and through. I can see someone trying to get him at the deadline.

I like Weber. I really do. I just don't think he has enough plain ol' talent. He needs better legs.

Iron Crotch · January 20, 2014

I like Weber. I really do. I just don't think he has enough plain ol' talent. He needs better legs.

I think Weber is kind of like a Matt Ellis. Gives you everything he has, but is just a bit lacking in talent. He is okay for now, but obiously Zadarov and Risto will hopefully push guys like Sulzer, Hank, and Weber out of the lineup in the not-too-distant future.

Jsixspd · January 20, 2014

Wow, Weber is at -23 after 33 games played. That is not good - it's the 2nd worst plus-minus in the entire NHL. Mike Robitaille expounded the other night on the value of the +/- stat in sizing up a player after 20-25 games played or so, and we're well past that threshold with Weber now.

One of those goals in the last 2 games (can't remember now if it was Toronto or Columbus), Weber definitely deserved the minus. He was standing right by the crease, and didn't cover the opponent who was standing between him and Miller, at least not until after the puck already went in the net.

EDIT - and unfortunately, Ott isn't far behind at -19. He's the 6th worst in the NHL in this stat.

We have 2 in the bottom 10 players in +/- Edmonton and Calgary both outdo Buffalo in this dubious distinction with THREE in the bottom 10. By no coincidence, those are the 3 worst teams in the league in terms of total points, 33, 36, and 39 respectively.

... · January 20, 2014

Any word of a review on the Myers hit?

SwampD · January 20, 2014

Any word of a review on the Myers hit?

They said because he scored two goals in the game there would be no phone call.

darksabre · January 20, 2014

Wow, Weber is at -23 after 33 games played. That is not good - it's the 2nd worst plus-minus in the entire NHL. Mike Robitaille expounded the other night on the value of the +/- stat in sizing up a player after 20-25 games played or so, and we're well past that threshold with Weber now.

One of those goals in the last 2 games (can't remember now if it was Toronto or Columbus), Weber definitely deserved the minus. He was standing right by the crease, and didn't cover the opponent who was standing between him and Miller, at least not until after the puck already went in the net.

EDIT - and unfortunately, Ott isn't far behind at -19. He's the 6th worst in the NHL in this stat.

We have 2 in the bottom 10 players in +/- Edmonton and Calgary both outdo Buffalo in this dubious distinction with THREE in the bottom 10. By no coincidence, those are the 3 worst teams in the league in terms of total points, 33, 36, and 39 respectively.

I like Weber's grit, but I think he lacks high level hockey sense. I think he's more lucky than good at this point.

Jsixspd · January 20, 2014

I like Weber's grit, but I think he lacks high level hockey sense. I think he's more lucky than good at this point.

I like him too, but he's no first liner at this point, that's for sure.

... · January 20, 2014

They said because he scored two goals in the game there would be no phone call.

Is that all it takes? Awesome!

dudacek · January 20, 2014

If that's the case, he should score two more often.

Iron Crotch · January 20, 2014

Wow, Weber is at -23 after 33 games played. That is not good - it's the 2nd worst plus-minus in the entire NHL. Mike Robitaille expounded the other night on the value of the +/- stat in sizing up a player after 20-25 games played or so, and we're well past that threshold with Weber now.

One of those goals in the last 2 games (can't remember now if it was Toronto or Columbus), Weber definitely deserved the minus. He was standing right by the crease, and didn't cover the opponent who was standing between him and Miller, at least not until after the puck already went in the net.

EDIT - and unfortunately, Ott isn't far behind at -19. He's the 6th worst in the NHL in this stat.

We have 2 in the bottom 10 players in +/- Edmonton and Calgary both outdo Buffalo in this dubious distinction with THREE in the bottom 10. By no coincidence, those are the 3 worst teams in the league in terms of total points, 33, 36, and 39 respectively.

Yeah, Ott is up there too. The difference is Ott is regularly drawing shifts against the other team's top line. Weber on the other than is getting third pair minutes (i.e. not facing the other team's best) and is still posting some miserable numbers.

Like everyone else on this forum, I'm really interested to see what our new hockey department thinks about the guys we currently have. Will be interesting to see who is still on the roster a year or two from now.

IKnowPhysics · January 20, 2014

One of those goals in the last 2 games (can't remember now if it was Toronto or Columbus), Weber definitely deserved the minus. He was standing right by the crease, and didn't cover the opponent who was standing between him and Miller, at least not until after the puck already went in the net.

I remember that goal, it was Columbus. He was near the guy, but made a subtle mistake that pro guys shouldn't make, which was that he wasn't on the guy's stick side. So when the puck gets to the guy,even though Weber's nearby, the opponent is instantly using his body to protect the puck in close. Weber's gotta be aware enough to take the stick side, if not be between the opponent and Miller.

The season's a wash, and for a couple reasons, the stats are hard to interpret (coaching change, etc). Nonetheless, it's a little disturbing to see one of your D have the second worst +/- in hockey (weirdly next to Nail Yakupov at -31). Steve Ott is also -19, and I'm not sure that's an obfuscation of +/-, because generally Ott carries an alright +/-, or if it's an indictment of those two (or the entire team).

Yeah, Ott is up there too. The difference is Ott is regularly drawing shifts against the other team's top line. Weber on the other than is getting third pair minutes (i.e. not facing the other team's best) and is still posting some miserable numbers.

I checked out the Corsi Rel QoC, and Weber's on par with the rest of the defensemen. Maybe it was Rolston, but it statistically seems like he's been seeing the same opponents as most of the other D, on average.

Kristian · January 20, 2014

Wow, Weber is at -23 after 33 games played. That is not good - it's the 2nd worst plus-minus in the entire NHL. Mike Robitaille expounded the other night on the value of the +/- stat in sizing up a player after 20-25 games played or so, and we're well past that threshold with Weber now.

They talked about it during the intermission yesterday, how Weber was -2 after the first period regardless of the fact that :

He made a play on the first Buffalo goal, and then *just* stepped off before Myers scored not getting a plus, and the second goal he was on for was basically a PP goal, only Myers had just come back on the ice seconds before they scored.

While he may have been to blame on the second goal, those two instances made an even +/- a -2, just like that.

While I think Weber suffered a lot under Coach of Boredom, he certainly hasn't been catching any breaks either :-)

Keep him, trade him, bring up someone else. I'm pretty indiferrent, though I agree it's a guy I wouldn't mind having around for a playoff series, as I believe he can piss some forward off to no end, over the course of a series.

MattPie · January 20, 2014

They talked about it during the intermission yesterday, how Weber was -2 after the first period regardless of the fact that :

He made a play on the first Buffalo goal, and then *just* stepped off before Myers scored not getting a plus, and the second goal he was on for was basically a PP goal, only Myers had just come back on the ice seconds before they scored.

While he may have been to blame on the second goal, those two instances made an even +/- a -2, just like that.

I'm hoping there's good explanations for the other -20 too. :(

Ghost of Dwight Drane · January 20, 2014

Weber was one of the steadiest of our D-men last year after Lindy left. He blew chunks the year before. He was solid previous as a last pairing. I would have figured he'd be gaining traction with Nolan. It's probably a case of overthinking it for Weber at times as I think he is a naturally aggressive player, but doesn't want to let the team down with bad penalties or getting caught out of position. He's been too passive though...he just has to "go".

The reason I can see him traded is because Ott is his BFF, and as a GM I would look for a guy like Weber for depth going into the playoffs. I hope Nolan sees the potential in Weber and lobbies to keep him here. The way Myers has turned things around under Nolan, this defense may actually rival the Bruins in a few years with Myers/Zadorov/Ehrhoff/Ristolainen/McNabb/Weber....that's a pretty playoff capable group.

Eleven · January 20, 2014

Weber was one of the steadiest of our D-men last year after Lindy left. He blew chunks the year before. He was solid previous as a last pairing. I would have figured he'd be gaining traction with Nolan. It's probably a case of overthinking it for Weber at times as I think he is a naturally aggressive player, but doesn't want to let the team down with bad penalties or getting caught out of position. He's been too passive though...he just has to "go".

The reason I can see him traded is because Ott is his BFF, and as a GM I would look for a guy like Weber for depth going into the playoffs. I hope Nolan sees the potential in Weber and lobbies to keep him here. The way Myers has turned things around under Nolan, this defense may actually rival the Bruins in a few years with Myers/Zadorov/Ehrhoff/Ristolainen/McNabb/Weber....that's a pretty playoff capable group.

I think Weber was better two years ago than now. He used to patrol the crease very well.

qwksndmonster · January 20, 2014

I think Weber was better two years ago than now. He used to patrol the crease very well.

And he was one of the only guys with the "don't touch my Miller" reflex.

Kristian · January 20, 2014

I'm hoping there's good explanations for the other -20 too. :(

I believe their point was that he's playing better now, but somehow still ends up being on the minus side of things.

spndnchz · January 20, 2014

If he would just stop clearing the puck onto the opponents stick he be ok.

Wyldnwoody44 · January 20, 2014

If he would just stop clearing the puck onto the opponents stick he be ok.

Oh, I thought that was the point of a tank?!?!

Im soooo confused

Iron Crotch · January 20, 2014

I believe their point was that he's playing better now, but somehow still ends up being on the minus side of things.

Weber's problem in the +/- is he brings absolutely nothing offensively. So if he isn't playing well on the defensive end he is a liability. In 33 games we've only scored 5 goals when Weber was on the ice (vs. 28 even strength goals against).

Hoss · January 20, 2014

PLF is talking to Bucky on WBBZ. I have no idea how to access it because we don't get it here, and it's not online. Anybody watching?

26CornerBlitz · January 21, 2014

PLF is talking to Bucky on WBBZ. I have no idea how to access it because we don't get it here, and it's not online. Anybody watching?

Segment 1: On the Status of the Team <3:37>

Segment 2: On Murray's Track Record <2:33>

Segment 3: On Ted Nolan <1:21>

Segment 4: Patience Urged <1:25>

Segment 5: On Miller's Status <1:13>

Segment 6: On Miller's Value after the Olympics <2:11>

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