Robviously Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 12:23 AM, X. Benedict said: Invite me to the party. He's going soon. I do think he should be traded. I want Murray to get value. I happen to think he has a lot of value in this market. I'm going to miss thread after thread filled with speculation about what Miller wants, what Miller is thinking, what Miller's wife wants, what Miller's wife's career means for Miller, if Miller is good in the locker room, if Ryan Miller is bad in the locker room, etc. Quote
X. Benedict Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 12:28 AM, Robviously said: I'm going to miss thread after thread filled with speculation about what Miller wants, what Miller is thinking, what Miller's wife wants, what Miller's wife's career means for Miller, if Miller is good in the locker room, if Ryan Miller is bad in the locker room, etc. Who cares what he wants. He's a goalie. :lol: Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 12:25 AM, Tankalicious said: This was only 5v5 stats. Not considering the PP or PK. Or EN. Considering special teams are part of the game, I was looking for overall GPG. Quote
Hoss Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) On 1/28/2014 at 12:45 AM, JJFIVEOH said: Considering special teams are part of the game, I was looking for overall GPG. Well navigate the link... Edited January 28, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) On 1/28/2014 at 12:59 AM, Tankalicious said: Well navigate the link... Can you just admit that it's significantly lower than Miller's? That was the point. I knew the answer. Edited January 28, 2014 by JJFIVEOH Quote
Hoss Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) On 1/28/2014 at 1:03 AM, JJFIVEOH said: Can you just admit that it's significantly lower than Miller's? That was the point. I knew the answer. I don't have anything to "admit." I don't actually know the stat off the top of my head, and I don't care. I'm not a part of your Enroth/Miller dance. I think Miller should and will be traded. Edited January 28, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 1:16 AM, Tankalicious said: I don't have anything to "admit." I don't actually know the stat off the top of my head, and I don't care. I'm not a part of your Enroth/Miller dance. I think Miller should and will be traded. Then why did you bring it up? On 1/28/2014 at 12:08 AM, Tankalicious said: Miller is 30th in goals FOR per 20 minutes (in 5v5 over 1000 minutes). Obviously getting no run support. Only Cory Schneider and Reto Berra have it worse. Quote
Hoss Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 1:36 AM, JJFIVEOH said: Then why did you bring it up? We were talking about 5v5 stats... Quote
tom webster Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 12:21 AM, JJFIVEOH said: So, approximately 1.5 goals per game for Miller and 1.3 goals per game for Enroth. Considering the Sabres are averaging 1.97 goals per game, who is the lucky goaltender that gets all the support? :angel: The team is only averaging 1.8 goals after you subtract out goals awarded for shoot outs so how significant could difference between Miller be? Bigger then the difference between shots against when each goaltender plays? Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 Minutes played is less important than shots faced. Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 1:59 AM, tom webster said: The team is only averaging 1.8 goals after you subtract out goals awarded for shoot outs so how significant could difference between Miller be? Bigger then the difference between shots against when each goaltender plays? Miller 1.91 GPG support Enroth 1.53 GPG support On 1/28/2014 at 1:57 AM, Tankalicious said: We were talking about 5v5 stats... Not sure why anybody would use 5v5 goal support as a talking point.......... but OK. Quote
Eleven Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 You guys do get that the team can play a more aggressive offense in front of Miller, right? Lack of offensive talent aside, the team can do things with Miller in net that it can't with Jhonas. Quote
HopefulFuture Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:02 AM, Eleven said: You guys do get that the team can play a more aggressive offense in front of Miller, right? Lack of offensive talent aside, the team can do things with Miller in net that it can't with Jhonas. And this season one of those things they can dow with Miller in net they can't seem to do with Enroth in net is win :P Quote
Eleven Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:03 AM, HopefulFuture said: And this season one of those things they can dow with Miller in net they can't seem to do with Enroth in net is win :P EXACTLY. An already anemic offense gets worse when it has to worry more about defense. You, my man, have touched it with a needle. Quote
Taro T Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:02 AM, Eleven said: You guys do get that the team can play a more aggressive offense in front of Miller, right? Lack of offensive talent aside, the team can do things with Miller in net that it can't with Jhonas. Nope. Not possible. Because they have the same players in front of them, the team plays with the identical game plan both offensively and defensively, as is evidenced by the lowered offensive output when Jhonas is in between the pipes. Nor is it possible that by facing tougher competition, Miller also might face tougher shots. The only variable that is significant is that Enroth doesn't get to play as often as Miller does. Otherwise they would both be completely interchangeable. :wacko: Quote
Eleven Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:09 AM, Taro T said: Nope. Not possible. Because they have the same players in front of them, the team plays with the identical game plan both offensively and defensively, as is evidenced by the lowered offensive output when Jhonas is in between the pipes. Nor is it possible that by facing tougher competition, Miller also might face tougher shots. The only variable that is significant is that Enroth doesn't get to play as often as Miller does. Otherwise they would both be completely interchangeable. :wacko: Come to think of it, their uniforms do look quite similar. Quote
Taro T Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:14 AM, Eleven said: Come to think of it, their uniforms do look quite similar. :lol: I particularily like it when they swap equipment to trick the other team into thinking they're facing Enroth but it's really Ryan. ;) Quote
beerme1 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:14 AM, Eleven said: Come to think of it, their uniforms do look quite similar. Ya but there's a reason Enroth has the number 1 on his uniform. Wait, is that for the other thread? :blink: Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 You can guys keep scraping the bottom of that barrel. Eventually you'll find something that sticks simply by chance. On 1/28/2014 at 4:02 AM, Eleven said: You guys do get that the team can play a more aggressive offense in front of Miller, right? Lack of offensive talent aside, the team can do things with Miller in net that it can't with Jhonas. That would mean the offense was less productive for Enroth last year, and the year before. Is this the case? Or did Enroth magically become worse during the offseason? Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:25 AM, JJFIVEOH said: You can guys keep scraping the bottom of that barrel. Eventually you'll find something that sticks simply by chance. That would mean the offense was less productive for Enroth last year, and the year before. Is this the case? Or did Enroth magically become worse during the offseason? miller is better than enroth. Suck it up and deal with it Quote
Eleven Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:27 AM, LGR4GM said: miller is better than enroth. Suck it up and deal with it Pretty much. Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 My god you people really take this ###### too seriously. Quote
SwampD Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:27 AM, LGR4GM said: miller is better than enroth. Suck it up and deal with it On 1/28/2014 at 4:31 AM, Eleven said: Pretty much. I've stayed away from this thread, but is this really the debate here? Good lord. Quote
Eleven Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:35 AM, SwampD said: I've stayed away from this thread, but is this really the debate here? Good lord. It becomes the debate occasionally. Quote
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Posted January 28, 2014 On 1/28/2014 at 4:35 AM, SwampD said: I've stayed away from this thread, but is this really the debate here? Good lord. I'm just looking for a substantial case to be put on the table. I never start these threads, I never bring them to the top. Nor do I even mention Miller in GDT's. Hell, I've gotten deragatory private messages from people for simply responding to Miller threads even though I wasn't even the one to start it. Yet for some reason people go into attack mode against me whenever the topic comes up. For a forum that claims to be so analytical, precise and logical, emotion seems to throw all that out the window whenever I ask for specifics and facts. Quote
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