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"Increasingly Substantiated BS" rumor thread- 2014 Edition

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  1. 1. Sabre's Trade Partners

  2. 2. Team With The Largest Acquisition

    • Anaheim Ducks
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    • Chicago Blackhawks
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    • St. Louis Blues
      16
    • San Jose Sharks
      1
    • LA Kings
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    • Pittsburgh Penguins
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    • Boston Bruins
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    • Montreal Canadiens
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    • Washington Capitals
      5
    • Tampa Bay Lightening
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    • Toronto Maple Leafs
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    • Ottawa Senators
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    • Other
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Sabres Fan in NS Hall of Famer

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I think you see a marked difference in our Drafts once Pegula gets here and Devine is fully in charge of it.

 

Please tell me how / why you see the owner involved in the draft?

 

He should just be welcoming the draftees to the Sabres.

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inkman

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Please tell me how / why you see the owner involved in the draft?

 

He should just be welcoming the draftees to the Sabres.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to structure changes one TP took over. The last 3 drafts do look undoubtably different from the previous 10.

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It may very well be my imagination, but it seems like the Sabres' basket has been full of promising young players for a long time. "Darcy drafts well." What happens to these guys? Maybe it's different this time, but I think the powers that be like to hold the brass ring just out of reach of us — and we keep reaching.

 

I too am in a "show me" frame of mind about the Sabres' alleged drafting prowess. If they were that good at drafting, the team wouldn't be so GD terrible.

 

However, the bolded part sounds a bit paranoid. I don't think trumpeting the prospects ranking is anything more sinister than the same marketing of any good quality that any bad team in any sport does.

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Right.. expanding the scouting department, changes to real scouting from video scouting, etc. They do look different. Only time will tell if they are.

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

LGR4GM

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Please tell me how / why you see the owner involved in the draft?

 

He should just be welcoming the draftees to the Sabres.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to structure changes one TP took over. The last 3 drafts do look undoubtably different from the previous 10.

Right.. expanding the scouting department, changes to real scouting from video scouting, etc. They do look different. Only time will tell if they are.

Exactly. Pegula's expansion of the draft department has changed how and who we draft.

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https://twitter.com/...HockeyScanner�� One GM said today he believes the Sabres already have a deal in place to move Steve Ott. Ott is one of several expected Buffalo trades

 

https://twitter.com/...HockeyScanner��

One GM said today he believes the Sabres already have a deal in place to move Steve Ott. Ott is one of several expected Buffalo trades

 

Who the heck is hockeyscanner and why does it say the page does not exist when you click on it? I think this may be closer to the less substantiated BS.

Eleven Hall of Famer

Eleven

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Who the heck is hockeyscanner and why does it say the page does not exist when you click on it? I think this may be closer to the less substantiated BS.

 

Wayne Scanlan, a reporter for the Ottawa Citizen.

WildCard Hall of Famer

WildCard

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Wayne Scanlan, a reporter for the Ottawa Citizen.

Is he reputable?

 

Also, does this indicate a move towards Ottawa/is he specifically a Senators writer or an NHL source?

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Derrico

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Wayne Scanlan, a reporter for the Ottawa Citizen.

 

Ahhhhh, thanks.

 

So if the deal is in place then why has there been no announcement yet? If this is true, it must be announced soon as there's no way Ott would play tomorrow night.

Eleven Hall of Famer

Eleven

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Is he reputable?

 

Also, does this indicate a move towards Ottawa/is he specifically a Senators writer or an NHL source?

 

I don't know anything about him; I just looked up who the name belonged to on twitter.

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

LGR4GM

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The guy appears to be a beat writer. Who knows if he has connections. If Ott plays tomorrow, then I would guess it is bs. If Ott doesn't play and ends up in Ottawa than maybe you have something to remember for next time.

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Just for fun what would be the return from Ottawa? Shane Prince? He fits the bill of a decent prospect a couple of years into his development. There was obviously that other stuff about wanting out of Ottawa as well.

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sabre snipe

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How good of a prospect is Shane Prince? I had never heard of him until a few days ago (not saying that negatively I truly just don't know). Is it realistic to get him for Ott, which is like a 1st round pick at least probably if as many teams as advertised are interested in him? Or would we give up Ott plus a few draft picks maybe like a 2nd and 4th for him. Whats would his value be you think?

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

LGR4GM

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How good of a prospect is Shane Prince? I had never heard of him until a few days ago (not saying that negatively I truly just don't know). Is it realistic to get him for Ott, which is like a 1st round pick at least probably if as many teams as advertised are interested in him? Or would we give up Ott plus a few draft picks maybe like a 2nd and 4th for him. Whats would his value be you think?

Shane Prince would be a 2nd round draft pick from the very end of round 2. He has done decent in the AHL. Has played there for 2 seasons now. I would not trade Ottawa Ott + for Shane Prince. He could be a decent 2nd line LW. He is a little short at 5'11" but is decent bulk at 190lbs.

dudacek Hall of Famer

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Shane Prince is a longshot to be a top six winger.

LGR is right, his value is a late second rounder at best.

When you hear about trades for a pick and a middling prospect, he's the middling prospect.

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LGR4GM

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Shane Prince is a longshot to be a top six winger.

LGR is right, his value is a late second rounder at best.

When you hear about trades for a pick and a middling prospect, he's the middling prospect.

He was 2nd rounder and honestly that is his current worth. Maybe end of the 2nd is mean and our early 2nd would do it but I wouldn't trade a lot for Shane Prince. No offense to anyways, he seems like a decent player just not anything amazing.

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How good of a prospect is Shane Prince? I had never heard of him until a few days ago (not saying that negatively I truly just don't know). Is it realistic to get him for Ott, which is like a 1st round pick at least probably if as many teams as advertised are interested in him? Or would we give up Ott plus a few draft picks maybe like a 2nd and 4th for him. Whats would his value be you think?

 

Ya it sounds like we should get more out of that deal after doing some more reading on him. I honestly have no idea what Ott will bring back in a trade I guess. I would think pretty decent and if it's Ottawa I would try and get a draft pick out of them as they are no lock to win a playoff round. I'd much rather get a 1st out of Ottawa then a 1st out of a powerhouse in the west or Pitt or Boston in the east.

 

Then again if it's Murray trading for him I'd feel at ease as I'm sure he has the most intimate knowledge of their farm/young players.

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I wouldn't doubt that there is a deal in place for Ott. There are probably a lot of "deals in place" right now. Teams probably have a lot of backup offers in place where they've told a team they're going to wait and see if they can get a little more in time for the deadline. That way you don't take a low deal too quickly and you can even get a team to bid against themselves in a perfect situation.

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It's also looking pretty likely that Vancouver will trade Kesler, TB will trade St Louis and the Rangers will trade Callahan.

 

Those are all pretty major moves.

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nothing's gonna happen until Noon on Wed.... never does. no need to rush. teams will overpay in the final hours.

 

That is simply not true. Teams try to jump out in front all the time. Everyone points to all the defenseman injuries when the Sabres lost to Carolina but just as important was Rutherford beating everyone to the punch before the deadline. Last year there were two or three trades leading up to the deadline. Hell Darcy himself beat the deadline when he acquired Gratton and Gilmour in separate deals.

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