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darksabre Hall of Famer

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Pretty much. Wait until Miller is traded, we're going to hear it after every loss.

 

And there's going to be a lot more of them. A lot more. Goalie purgatory is the worst.

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And there's going to be a lot more of them. A lot more. Goalie purgatory is the worst.

Then we should re-sign Miller.

 

And invent a machine that stops him from aging.

 

And find a way to make Olympic hockey happen every year.

 

#Blueprint

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Fun way to choke it out in the last 15 seconds..... Overall we weren't as bad as we could've been, Ott, Hodgson, Girgs, and some of the the other 4th line grinders looked decent..... I saw Leino give the puck up at least 3 blatant times and get knocked off countless others, he was terrible, and I'm frankly getting sick of him skating on our team... Enroth was not bad, just wish he could've gotten his skinny butt up at the end instead of playing grab the post like a stripper pole, but our D broke down (again) so it's hard to pin that on him.... Normally I'd be mad at an ending like this, Butttt that's one less point we accumulated by letting that last goal in..... I guess close games that keep us interested in the game that result in 0 points is the formula for the rest of the season, I mean what other hopes should we have for this year.

darksabre Hall of Famer

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Then we should re-sign Miller.

 

And invent a machine that stops him from aging.

 

And find a way to make Olympic hockey happen every year.

 

#Blueprint

 

Miller will play in the league at least 5 more seasons and be a Cup calibre backstop for all five of those years.

 

Also, this "Miller's only good in Olympic years LOLZ" crap needs to be put to rest. 100% Hot Steamy Bunk.

 

 

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Miller will play in the league at least 5 more seasons and be a Cup calibre backstop for all five of those years.

 

Also, this "Miller's only good in Olympic years LOLZ" crap needs to be put to rest. 100% Hot Steamy Bunk.

 

His save percentage has only been above a .920 twice... His GAA has only been below 2.50 ONCE and it was way down at 2.22.

I mean, there is some evidence.

 

He's certainly not terrible outside of Olympic years, but he's only elite, in my opinion, during Olympic years. Otherwise he's just at the top of the next group of guys.

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His save percentage has only been above a .920 twice... His GAA has only been below 2.50 ONCE and it was way down at 2.22.

I mean, there is some evidence.

 

He's certainly not terrible outside of Olympic years, but he's only elite, in my opinion, during Olympic years. Otherwise he's just at the top of the next group of guys.

 

You're arguing that a majority of his seasons he's a goalie that will equal or better the opposition goalies, and that every four years he's even better?

 

How does this make Miller any different from any other goalie ever? Show me a goalie who has put up elite numbers more often than he hasn't?

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It's really tough to miss the obvious correlation between save percentage and Olympic years. The Miller fanatics always loved to use the 'quality of team in front of him' excuse, this year throws them a curveball.

 

I'd like to see how Miller could have magically saved those last two Philly goals with his leg pinned up against the post by Pysyk and then getting knocked down for another one.

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Enroth played great tonight but gave up 3 3rd period goals. Whatever rights he had (as a backup goalie) to publicly complain about teammates, he has now lost. Enroth can now shut-up :)

If you think any of those goals were on Enroth you are grossly hockey illiterate. Sabres D wears the goat horns tonight, especially Weber who almost scored on Enroth.

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It's really tough to miss the obvious correlation between save percentage and Olympic years. The Miller fanatics always loved to use the 'quality of team in front of him' excuse, this year throws them a curveball.

 

I'd like to see how Miller could have magically saved those last two Philly goals with his leg pinned up against the post by Pysyk and then getting knocked down for another one.

 

Repeat after me, correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Correlation. Is not causation.

 

Not. Causation.

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JJFIVEOH

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Repeat after me, correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Correlation. Is not causation.

 

Not. Causation.

 

Your only other argument would be coincidence. Based on the numbers, I'll go with correlation.

 

I know if you guys try real hard, you can find a way to blame this on Hecht.

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Jhonas Enroth was also the best goalie with a single-digit number for the Sabres tonight too.

You don't have to just take my word for it. It's a FACT!

I have had enough of your Enroth bashing.

 

It's really tough to miss the obvious correlation between save percentage and Olympic years. The Miller fanatics always loved to use the 'quality of team in front of him' excuse, this year throws them a curveball.

 

I'd like to see how Miller could have magically saved those last two Philly goals with his leg pinned up against the post by Pysyk and then getting knocked down for another one.

So Enroth never gets help but "Miller fanatics" always use the 'quaility of team in from of him' excuse? Mrs. Enroth we love your son, we really do.

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I have had enough of your Enroth bashing.

 

 

So Enroth never gets help but "Miller fanatics" always use the 'quaility of team in from of him' excuse? Mrs. Enroth we love your son, we really do.

 

Are you expecting a response out of this?

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What a relief. The tank really needed that one. Shame Edmonton lost too.

 

His save percentage has only been above a .920 twice... His GAA has only been below 2.50 ONCE and it was way down at 2.22.

I mean, there is some evidence.

 

He's certainly not terrible outside of Olympic years, but he's only elite, in my opinion, during Olympic years. Otherwise he's just at the top of the next group of guys.

 

GAA is about the worst goalie metric there is, second only to wins. Anyway, regarding Miller in Olympic years versus not, I'm just going to re-post this:

 

Hasek's career stats: http://www.hockey-re.../hasekdo01.html

Roy's career stats: http://www.hockey-re.../r/roypa01.html

Brodeur's career stats: http://www.hockey-re.../brodema01.html

Miller's career stats: http://www.hockey-re.../millery01.html

 

Save percentages fluctuate yearly, sometimes by large amounts, with no rhyme or reason other than luck and "bounces" in hockey parlance. Miller's SV% jumped .12 from 07-08 to 08-09, which was larger than the increase in performance from 08-09 to 09-10 (his Vezina and Olympic season). So I guess he was much more excited and motivated for that season two years after Black Sunday than he was for the Olympics? Brodeur's SV% jumped .11 from 05-06 to 06-07...man that season AFTER the Olympics really lit a fire under him! Roy's SV% dropped a whopping .20 from 91-92 to 92-93, so I suppose he stopped caring about being a good goaltender that year...but wait, it rebounded by an incredible .24 for the next season, so I guess he cared again? I suppose you could use the Olympic years to explain Roy's performance too...until you take note that his SV% increased .14 from 95-96 to 96-97, which doesn't coincide with the Olympics at all.

 

I'm so sick of the "Olympic inspiration for better performance" argument for Miller, it's complete garbage.

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Yet the constant in Miller's case is Olympic years. Odd how that part keeps popping up.

 

You can't focus on other players outliers without using their own 'quality of team in front of them' argument. It can't be used for or against any argument. However, we're all pretty familiar with the teams in front of Miller all those years and yet there is no correlation between quality and save percentage. Only Olympic years.

 

Too bad attitude isn't a statistic either, becuase the only two years where Miller made an effort to keep his mouth shut to help suppress the league-wide crybaby label is this year............ and four years ago.

 

Now, can anybody tell me how Miller would have stopped those last two goals if he were knocked down on one and then pinned up against the post by his own defenseman on another?

Hoss Hall of Famer

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What a relief. The tank really needed that one. Shame Edmonton lost too.

 

 

 

GAA is about the worst goalie metric there is, second only to wins. Anyway, regarding Miller in Olympic years versus not, I'm just going to re-post this:

 

I posted the save percentage first for a reason. And save percentage fluctuates, but that doesn't explain why his two highest (by far) save percentages were in Olympic years.

 

 

 

Repeat after me, correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Correlation. Is not causation.

 

Not. Causation.

 

Sure. Any explanation, then? Because there are clear indications that he's better in Olympic years.

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Such a tough loss but it was a good game. I feel like those who have no idea we're the worst team in the league would have no idea if they tuned in and saw us play for the first time tonight.

 

Of course, the obligatory "###### Scott Hartnell and ###### the Flyers" comment.

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I'd like to see how Miller could have magically saved those last two Philly goals with his leg pinned up against the post by Pysyk and then getting knocked down for another one.

 

This is what I saw. Assuming the plays develop exactly the same way for Miller, I can't see how he wouldn't have been trapped by his own man on one goal, and not bowled over on another.

 

Miller is having a crazy good year, but he still will lose some games.

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POSTGAME LINKS

 

01/14 – Post-Game Report: 1/14 vs. PHI (Ian Ott – Sabres PR)

 

01/14 – Lecavalier's late goal lifts Flyers past Sabres (Joe Yerdon – NHL.com)

 

01/14 – Brian Duff and Dan Dunleavy recap Tuesday night's 4-3 loss to the Flyers. <3:53>

 

01/14 – Ted Nolan speaks with the media following the Sabres 4-3 loss to the Flyers. <2:17>

 

01/14 – Tyler Ennis speaks with the media following the Sabres 4-3 loss to the Flyers <1:13>

 

01/14 – Matt D'Agostini speaks with the media following the Sabres 4-3 loss to the Flyers <2:13>

 

01/14 – Jhonas Enroth speaks with the media following the Sabres 4-3 loss to the Flyers <3:27>

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No, man, I'm just so, so sick of your ######.

 

And everybody is equally sick of yours and everyone else, miller is god crap. Works both ways, and that is obviously something you and a few other regulars don't understand.

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