sicknfla Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 who is 3putt? maybe I missed something but someone changed their user name. these post look familiar for someone who has been a member since '06 but only has 55 posts. most in the last week. And where has Liger been?
Claude_Verret Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I'm sure Darcy wanted it to sound that way, but how are you going to develop talent when it's men against boys every night, and you're supposed to lose on an almost nightly basis? Here's the difference as to what I believe DR thought the tank would be and what you're saying, and it's subtle. They were likely to lose on a nightly basis in the beginning, they weren't supposed to lose. I know you think DR is a complete moron, and he'd have to be if what we witnessed for the first part of the season was truly his tank plan while still hoping to keep his job. The vision he more likely had when selling the tank to Pegula was of a team struggling to compete night in and night out, but also steadily showing signs of improvement throughout the year under the tutelage of RR. Instead they started the season looking putrid and regressed from there. I guess I don't know why it has to be some diabolical, weasel plan by DR instead of the the simplest explanation in that he over estimated what RR would bring as a head coach in the NHL.
beerme1 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Lmao! Giving Nolan credit for Millers drive for the Olympic team seems to be a stretch. Or maybe it should be the turnaround of Leino, oops! Or rather the emergence of Stafford and his scoring tear? Er no! Don't forget your helmet and crayons on the way to your bus. Your insults are great!
Weave Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Here's the difference as to what I believe DR thought the tank would be and what you're saying, and it's subtle. They were likely to lose on a nightly basis in the beginning, they weren't supposed to lose. I know you think DR is a complete moron, and he'd have to be if what we witnessed for the first part of the season was truly his tank plan while still hoping to keep his job. The vision he more likely had when selling the tank to Pegula was of a team struggling to compete night in and night out, but also steadily showing signs of improvement throughout the year under the tutelage of RR. Instead they started the season looking putrid and regressed from there. I guess I don't know why it has to be some diabolical, weasel plan by DR instead of the the simplest explanation in that he over estimated what RR would bring as a head coach in the NHL. I think DR and Pegs intended the tank to look like it did. They did try to sell the fanbase on "suffering" if you recall. IMO Pegs was 100% behind the tank as we saw it in the first 1/3 of the season but when the fans revolted he realized that a full out tank was going to be more costly to the fanbase than they calculated. And PLF and Nolan were brought in to calm the masses and create some hope.
tom webster Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I'd like to see someone with no prior history or connection to the Sabres. Give me that guy from LA. I understand the sentiment but I wouldn't want to exclude someone just because of past ties. It's not like Benning is some former beloved player. He had a pretty good rep before he left and has worked besides one of the best GM's in the business. You could make a case that he has the same credentials as Nill had before Dallas hired him
MDFan Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 As implausible as it may seem, they are winning at a good clip now. I could easily see them getting to 4th or 5th worst. It is possible I suppose, but the games get much harder as the year progresses and teams are fighting for playoff position. Even working hard, this team will not be able to keep up, especially if they end up trading one or more of Ott/Moulson/Miller. I am enjoying it while it lasts and fully expecting a good lottery position in the end.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Lmao! Giving Nolan credit for Millers drive for the Olympic team seems to be a stretch. Or maybe it should be the turnaround of Leino, oops! Or rather the emergence of Stafford and his scoring tear? Er no! Don't forget your helmet and crayons on the way to your bus. My apologies to the board. You are correct, the insult was uncalled for. The proper response would have been to politely ask that you share the fundamentals of hockey with the less enlightened. So please enlighten us as to what fundamentals I and perhaps others are missing pertaining to TN's contribution. Is it that he has the same offensive production with journeyman NHLers instead of prospects? Is he a goaltending guru? Is it his awesome defensive shell against the Leafs with a two goal first period lead? Is his transformation of our #1 2012 pick? Keep in mind that wins are irrelevant in my book this year and next as is the development of the Webers in this organization. Perhaps we simply have different views on what is important in the transition to a perenial Stanley Cup contender.
beerme1 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Putter, you think this team would have played watchable hockey this month if Ron Rolston was still coach? Well I guess we do have different views.
bunomatic Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Putter, you think this team would have played watchable hockey this month if Ron Rolston was still coach? Well I guess we do have different views. It would have been horrible. Hearing Rolston say night after night after losses that they just weren't playing the ' right ' way sickened me. PLF and Ted Nolan have changed the attitude of a team that lacks talent. They believe they can win. Rolston never instilled that right from the get go. With Rolston they believed they would lose. Its an attitude.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 who is 3putt? maybe I missed something but someone changed their user name. these post look familiar for someone who has been a member since '06 but only has 55 posts. most in the last week. And where has Liger been? I think the 2006 reference is due to my registration credentials being the same as on the the Bills site. I signed up for this site several times but always difficulty with the process until this year. As far as posts, nothing was worth voicing an opinion on under the DR regime until the concept of a total restructuring came to the for. This opportunity to fundamentally change the nature of the organization is exciting. Ido not wish to invade your space if that is what you perceive i am doing, nor I am I trolling. Just offering my opinion.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Putter, you think this team would have played watchable hockey this month if Ron Rolston was still coach? Well I guess we do have different views. It depends on how you define watchable, i guess. The Pommers trade was the shot over the bow to me that the team was looking to the future. Resigned to the fact that the Sabres are not at this point a FA player regardless of TP's resources, I was looking to see if the kids could play. I think I was in the Ott camp who said you would have to wait til Christmas for the kids to adjust. So when they were sent back or down, the watchability for me was decreased. Dagostini, Adam, etc. are irrelevant, imo, to the future. I bought in to the "suffering" plan provided it would yield top prospects and the new core would get an opportunity learn on the job. So again different point of view.
darksabre Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Really? Funny how I remember them much worse than that. It always felt that way didn't it? I was surprised by the numbers too.
Kristian Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Here's the difference as to what I believe DR thought the tank would be and what you're saying, and it's subtle. They were likely to lose on a nightly basis in the beginning, they weren't supposed to lose. I know you think DR is a complete moron, and he'd have to be if what we witnessed for the first part of the season was truly his tank plan while still hoping to keep his job. The vision he more likely had when selling the tank to Pegula was of a team struggling to compete night in and night out, but also steadily showing signs of improvement throughout the year under the tutelage of RR. Instead they started the season looking putrid and regressed from there. I guess I don't know why it has to be some diabolical, weasel plan by DR instead of the the simplest explanation in that he over estimated what RR would bring as a head coach in the NHL. If they weren't supposed to lose, how were they supposed to tank? And why would the team struggle to compete, when in fact that hadn't been compteing in years? Why would this change, due to Ron Rolston being named head coach? At any rate I suppose your guess is as good or better than mine, it doesn't really matter, both are gone, and we're still rebuilding.
spndnchz Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 who is 3putt? maybe I missed something but someone changed their user name. these post look familiar for someone who has been a member since '06 but only has 55 posts. most in the last week. And where has Liger been? You are correct. 3putt is indeed.......... Batman!
beerme1 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Fair enough. I understand your position. I think the suffering was started in the wrong manner and you can't just let it keep playing out like that. We will still have a problem with Grigorenko soon enough as I expect him to come back and still not be ready to play in the NHL. Then what? They need to find a home somewhere for him.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I don't think there are any options for Grigs. I think his strength and skating need improvement. But faced with letting him waste on the vine with meaningless minutes or putting him out there 15 to 17 minutes with some playmakers just for experience I would opt for the latter. At worse you know what you got heading to Rochester next year. Again wins are not my first priority.
Claude_Verret Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I think DR and Pegs intended the tank to look like it did. They did try to sell the fanbase on "suffering" if you recall. IMO Pegs was 100% behind the tank as we saw it in the first 1/3 of the season but when the fans revolted he realized that a full out tank was going to be more costly to the fanbase than they calculated. And PLF and Nolan were brought in to calm the masses and create some hope. I don't know. I think suffering was sold as a young team not quite ready to to play with the rest of the NHL, especially in the early going, lose much more than they won and likely finish in the bottom five in the league. I don't think DR would have tried nor would Pegula have been sold on a listless team that would get run out of the rink every night and be the laughing stock of the league.
Weave Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I don't know. I think suffering was sold as a young team not quite ready to to play with the rest of the NHL, especially in the early going, lose much more than they won and likely finish in the bottom five in the league. I don't think DR would have tried nor would Pegula have been sold on a listless team that would get run out of the rink every night and be the laughing stock of the league. I believe the listless play was an unintended consequence of the roster decisions (young ugys not ready for the NHL). When the vets saw that there was no chance to win much their effort tailed. The young guys saw it and copied it. it wasn't planned, but it maybe should have been expected.
Kristian Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I believe the listless play was an unintended consequence of the roster decisions (young ugys not ready for the NHL). When the vets saw that there was no chance to win much their effort tailed. The young guys saw it and copied it. it wasn't planned, but it maybe should have been expected. But the listless play was a problem for years before Ron Rolston ever came along.
sicknfla Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 How do you expect the vets to play when before the season started the mindset was the expectation to lose? Kind of shoots the moral in the ass when your management and owner are publicly stating they want top draft picks. Not too mention you name two guys captain who have 1 foot out the door. Those guys in the locker room knew Vanek was a sitting duck. They also knew he had no intention of staying here. So let's make him a captain!!! This thing has been a colossal cluster.... forever. These guys are no different than us. After awhile it becomes comical. You can say "well they are professionals". This is true but the reality is this is probably the toughest sport to play night in and night out. A little motivation wouldn't hurt. Just look at Miller!!
Claude_Verret Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 High expectations or low expectations.... comments about suffering to the fans or keeping their traps shut.... Rolston coaching, Lindy coaching, Nolan coaching....it doesn't matter one bit. This team as constructed over a full season was/is going to lose plenty of games, very likely enough games to finally get a pick in the top five in the draft. This IS the tank. Embrace it.
Assquatch Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Darcy's crime, and Lindy's for that matter, was being in Buffalo too long. Darcy's crime is that he had no idea how to build a team. He'd win most of his trades appeasing the "what has he ever done wrong" crowd, but they were for random pieces that in no way fit any sort of (pardon the term) blueprint of a winning team. I got a great deal on a rebuilt engine from the junkyard, found a rusted exhaust on the side of the road, and got some gloss enamel on blue light special at Kmart. All amazing value! Let's win the race, Lindy.
Weave Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 But the listless play was a problem for years before Ron Rolston ever came along. 1st 20 games of this season was a whole new level of listless.
Robviously Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 1st 20 games of this season was a whole new level of listless. 1st 20 games of last season were listless enough that we fired Lindy Ruff.
Kristian Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 1st 20 games of last season were listless enough that we fired Lindy Ruff. Exactly.
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