sicknfla Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 I agree. And, T-Pegs' explanation of why it took him so long to remove Darcy actually makes a great deal of sense to me. Terry is an oil guy and far from an NHL insider. He was quoted as saying he simply didn't know how to go about finding a new GM. I can buy that. If I found myself suddenly in a new industry where I knew no one, I think it'd be difficult for me to figure out who to hire and not to hire. So I give TP credit for recognizing that he needed a "hockey guy" - an insider - to help him make hockey-related decisions. Hence PLF's role as head of hockey operations. Then he should have hired a "hockey insider" when he bought the team. To use the excuse he didn't know how to go about hiring a GM is about as dumb as it gets. Finally hiring PLF is great and all but it's a day late and a dollar short. Now PLF had to figure out how to clean up a mess that TO should have recognized when he dropped his millions.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Better late than never ... ;)
darksabre Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Then he should have hired a "hockey insider" when he bought the team. To use the excuse he didn't know how to go about hiring a GM is about as dumb as it gets. Finally hiring PLF is great and all but it's a day late and a dollar short. Now PLF had to figure out how to clean up a mess that TO should have recognized when he dropped his millions. The best you can come up with is that hindsight should inform Terry as to how he should have handled running the team that HE owns? Stop the presses everyone! sicknfla has the hot after-the-fact answers! Maybe you'd like to go back and solve the Rigas crisis too?
sicknfla Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 The best you can come up with is that hindsight should inform Terry as to how he should have handled running the team that HE owns? Stop the presses everyone! sicknfla has the hot after-the-fact answers! Maybe you'd like to go back and solve the Rigas crisis too? I am not coming up with anything. I am simply stating that using the excuse he didn't have the experience to look for a GM himself is ridiculous. For those to defend TP in any of this is crazy. Read the potato post to better understand my point.
darksabre Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 I am not coming up with anything. I am simply stating that using the excuse he didn't have the experience to look for a GM himself is ridiculous. For those to defend TP in any of this is crazy. No credit to Darcy for selling himself to Terry? He did it to Golisano too...
sicknfla Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 No credit to Darcy for selling himself to Terry? He did it to Golisano too... No. Just look at the NFL today. You don't win you get fired. Plus Golisano was a employee leasor (if that is a word)guy. He didn't have experience to search for a GM either.
gregkash Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Inside dealings? He was 100% on board with Darcy and his "suffering" plan all summer long. It wasn't an act when Pegula challenged Schopp and the Bulldog to name on thing Regier had ever done wrong; he really thought that was a spectacular point to make. And if he has no faith in the guy, why is he letting him trade Vanek? It was apparently critical that the Sabres remove him mid-season, but it didn't matter if he made a huge trade? (How does Pegula know it's going to be one last good trade? Aren't you firing him mid-season because he doesn't make good trades?) The Vanek trade is a giant question mark. We don't know if Moulson is staying (he's UFA and actually older than Vanek) and we have no idea when those draft picks are going to be. It *might* be a great trade or it might amount to almost nothing. Like I said when it happened, it's completely on PLF to bring some competence to this organization now. I feel like the Vanek trade was a once in a lifetime opportunity. You've got a guy that produces just as much as Vanek does and a first rounder. Yes, Vanek has way more upside and playing with Tavares will really out produce Moulson, but you're not going to be able to resign him, so yeah, you let Darcy make that trade, even if you know you're gonna fire him, which I really don't think Pegs did.
Kristian Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Good post. He bought into the entire tank idea and then crumbled to the pressure of what it truly felt like to be the laughing stock of the league. I will never give props to TP for anything he has done with this situation. Mishandled from the get go. Terry didn't get to where he is without being able to spot when someone is in over his head. He most likely bought into Darcy's "tank and suffer" approach over the summer, but when it became apparent that Darcy had no plan in place on HOW to tank, other than dump all the veterans and play an all-AHL/Junior team and hope to god to pick 3-4 franchise players over the next couple of years, he realised Darcy was in fact clueless on how to perform a proper rebuild. I have no problem with that - He listened, gave his GM a more than fair shot, and when it appeared said GM was way out of his comfort zone, decided to let him go for someone else. Would've preferred it all to happen when he first took over, but you should never fault someone for learning from a mistake.
Two or less Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Inside dealings? He was 100% on board with Darcy and his "suffering" plan all summer long. It wasn't an act when Pegula challenged Schopp and the Bulldog to name on thing Regier had ever done wrong; he really thought that was a spectacular point to make. And if he has no faith in the guy, why is he letting him trade Vanek? It was apparently critical that the Sabres remove him mid-season, but it didn't matter if he made a huge trade? (How does Pegula know it's going to be one last good trade? Aren't you firing him mid-season because he doesn't make good trades?) The Vanek trade is a giant question mark. We don't know if Moulson is staying (he's UFA and actually older than Vanek) and we have no idea when those draft picks are going to be. It *might* be a great trade or it might amount to almost nothing. Like I said when it happened, it's completely on PLF to bring some competence to this organization now. Vanek wasn't going to re-sign with the Sabres. The longer they would of held onto him, the more chances of him getting traded to a legit team, such as Pittsburgh, LA or someone like that, and thus, Buffalo only receiving a somewhat high prospect and a 1st which would be late 1st. Vanek didn't want to be here anymore, and could of become a locker room problem, and thus hurting the development of some of the younger players. Moulson gives a complete effort every night and has been through rebuilding before. The Sabres need to do their homework and make sure they make a true player out of that pick. We are adding to our front office that already has a league high number of scouts and by all accounts will hire a general manager who is very experienced in scouting/player development.
qwksndmonster Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 I don't think anybody's had a problem with Darcy's trades, so I have no problem with moving vanek right before you clean house. As VM, errr Foligno pointed out the trade returned a real hockey player and a much better pick than we could've gotten from a contender at the deadline. And now that Patty's here I'm not worried about Pegs any more. Asking him to be gm will hopefully be the last silly thing pegs does that we hear about now that he's got some real hockey men in the organization.
sicknfla Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Terry didn't get to where he is without being able to spot when someone is in over his head. He most likely bought into Darcy's "tank and suffer" approach over the summer, but when it became apparent that Darcy had no plan in place on HOW to tank, other than dump all the veterans and play an all-AHL/Junior team and hope to god to pick 3-4 franchise players over the next couple of years, he realised Darcy was in fact clueless on how to perform a proper rebuild. I have no problem with that - He listened, gave his GM a more than fair shot, and when it appeared said GM was way out of his comfort zone, decided to let him go for someone else. Would've preferred it all to happen when he first took over, but you should never fault someone for learning from a mistake. Ok so DR's plan was to play the young guys and be ok with taking our lumps. By doing this we would most likely end up with high draft picks. TP was fine with that. We then were worse than imagined. TP then realizes that being that bad was not what he wanted anymore. He then brings in PLF who also states you need top picks to reach elite level. So, we still want to be bad but competitive. Ship out the young guys and bring in some more players who are absolutely no part of the future. All the while your coach is preaching compete and trying to get this group of retreads to win hockey games. You have a FA goalie who is single handidly winning you these games. This goalie is most likely not part of the future. Forgive me if I am confused as to what the hell is exactly the direction of this team!!
beerme1 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 It's irrelevant if FanSided is a reliable site or not, i don't care. Is Mike Straw reliable? I know he's been trying to be a Buffalo-insider for few years now. Anyone know if he's reliable or not? Ok. Who is Mike Straw?
nfreeman Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Terry didn't get to where he is without being able to spot when someone is in over his head. He most likely bought into Darcy's "tank and suffer" approach over the summer, but when it became apparent that Darcy had no plan in place on HOW to tank, other than dump all the veterans and play an all-AHL/Junior team and hope to god to pick 3-4 franchise players over the next couple of years, he realised Darcy was in fact clueless on how to perform a proper rebuild. I have no problem with that - He listened, gave his GM a more than fair shot, and when it appeared said GM was way out of his comfort zone, decided to let him go for someone else. Would've preferred it all to happen when he first took over, but you should never fault someone for learning from a mistake. Good post.
Two or less Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Ok. Who is Mike Straw? A local inspiring journalist who started http://queencitysports.net/staff/mike-straw/. I know he's been trying to break some stories but i haven't really followed him to see if he hit on some or been a big miss all the time. He is the one who wrote the article for FanSided claiming it's his sources who said Benning to Sabres.
Weave Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 A local inspiring journalist who started http://queencityspor...aff/mike-straw/. I know he's been trying to break some stories but i haven't really followed him to see if he hit on some or been a big miss all the time. He is the one who wrote the article for FanSided claiming it's his sources who said Benning to Sabres. Aspiring. Unless he is overly charismatic or something.
Two or less Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Aspiring. Unless he is overly charismatic or something. ah lol sorry
PromoTheRobot Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Ok. Who is Mike Straw? Pat Moran 2.0
darksabre Posted December 30, 2013 Report Posted December 30, 2013 Sounds like a hack trying to cherry pick a correct guess to boost his chances of people reading his work.
Hoss Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Mike Straw one night said he had MAJOR breaking news coming about the Sabres. Then he didn't tweet for a while. When everybody started paying attention, he tweeted "sorry, I had to make a late-night stop at McDonald's" and it was like 2 AM. Then he tweeted that it was nothing. http://bleacherrepor...9-michael-straw That's his BleacherReport profile. He's trying to be a writer for the Bills, but he's decked out in Cincinnati. Which bring into question why he might've named the website "Queen City sports," because Cincy is more known as "Queen City" than Buffalo. There are a million Queen City's in America plus Toronto, though.
Two or less Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Mike Straw one night said he had MAJOR breaking news coming about the Sabres. Then he didn't tweet for a while. When everybody started paying attention, he tweeted "sorry, I had to make a late-night stop at McDonald's" and it was like 2 AM. Then he tweeted that it was nothing. What? LMAO really?
Hoss Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 What? LMAO really? Yea. I remember his followers went from like 400 to 800 in a matter of two hours. He didn't tweet after the first tweet or two for like an hour and a half. Then said he was at McDonald's. I think he said it was nothing, but then tweeted out something that was extremely minor that doesn't really affect anything.
wonderbread Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Sounds like the guys pretty reputable. Micky D's run and all.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 He most likely bought into Darcy's "tank and suffer" approach over the summer, but when it became apparent that Darcy had no plan in place on HOW to tank, other than dump all the veterans and play an all-AHL/Junior team and hope to god to pick 3-4 franchise players over the next couple of years, he realised Darcy was in fact clueless on how to perform a proper rebuild. And how does one do a tank? Sign high price cast offs? Make late season runs to 9th? Dumping under achieving vets for potential, and generational talent in particular, is the best way to revamp an organization that has never won anything. And before I get flamed about salary cap space, save it. The team is in Buffalo. No one wants to go to the Siberia of professional sports when there are options like NY, CHI, BOS, LA and Toronto where the quality of life for a young athlete is much different. Draftees have no choice, and if you get a few good ones you then can change the Siberia perception. Darcy's tank plan was absolutely correct. The fact that TP couldn't stomach it and hired PR facesavers does not give me much optimism that things will ever get better. PLF was tangentially involved in a third tier junior league not an nhl insider and TN has never impressed me. I do not want the hardest working team in hockey, I want a talented dynasty. I realize I am in the minority.
3putt Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 Ok so DR's plan was to play the young guys and be ok with taking our lumps. By doing this we would most likely end up with high draft picks. TP was fine with that. We then were worse than imagined. TP then realizes that being that bad was not what he wanted anymore. He then brings in PLF who also states you need top picks to reach elite level. So, we still want to be bad but competitive. Ship out the young guys and bring in some more players who are absolutely no part of the future. All the while your coach is preaching compete and trying to get this group of retreads to win hockey games. You have a FA goalie who is single handidly winning you these games. This goalie is most likely not part of the future. Forgive me if I am confused as to what the hell is exactly the direction of this team!! I am confused as well. Under both RR and TN, our rooks sit, girgs as the exception seeing as he will be cog on TN's Latvian Olympic squad. All great athletes rise to the level of the competition they face. Some sooner others later. Watching Leino ice dance and Tallinder fight physical exhaustion nightly, while Armia and Risto are in the A is baffling. I bought into the suffering if it finally meant we would have a Crosby or Lemieux type player or two.
darksabre Posted December 31, 2013 Report Posted December 31, 2013 I am confused as well. Under both RR and TN, our rooks sit, girgs as the exception seeing as he will be cog on TN's Latvian Olympic squad. All great athletes rise to the level of the competition they face. Some sooner others later. Watching Leino ice dance and Tallinder fight physical exhaustion nightly, while Armia and Risto are in the A is baffling. I bought into the suffering if it finally meant we would have a Crosby or Lemieux type player or two. I don't understand your confusion. The vets are playing and we're on course to draft high talent. Isn't that exactly what you want?
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