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I think this is all about the development of the young players -- in particular making them appreciate how playing in the NHL is a privilege and not a birthright. Luker and McNabb earned their shots at the show by playing well in Rochester, but they didn't earn a free pass to stay here. I would guess each of them made enough mistakes such that Nolan felt there had to be consequences, or else they wouldn't learn not to make those mistakes.

 

Being sent down now will make them appreciate their next callup and make them work harder to stay here when it happens.

 

It's old school, and it's fine with me.

 

My sentiments exactly.

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I think this is all about the development of the young players -- in particular making them appreciate how playing in the NHL is a privilege and not a birthright. Luker and McNabb earned their shots at the show by playing well in Rochester, but they didn't earn a free pass to stay here. I would guess each of them made enough mistakes such that Nolan felt there had to be consequences, or else they wouldn't learn not to make those mistakes.

 

Being sent down now will make them appreciate their next callup and make them work harder to stay here when it happens.

 

It's old school, and it's fine with me.

 

Sounds good, but what's going to make Leino appreciate being in the NHL? Exactly what has D'Agostini done to merit being on an NHL roster? After watching him since the Sabres rescued him from the baby Pens of the AHL, he's shown me almost nothing. How do Weber or Scott deserve to be in the lineup on a regular basis? I could go on about other guys on the roster, but you get the point.

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Agreed. If the kids are raised to believe that they have to work that much harder to make the team, I'm all for it. I also respect the evaluation aspect.

 

We have nothing better to do, so let's see who wants to be here.

 

Sounds good, but what's going to make Leino appreciate being in the NHL? Exactly what has D'Agostini done to merit being on an NHL roster? After watching him since the Sabres rescued him from the baby Pens of the AHL, he's shown me almost nothing. How do Weber or Scott deserve to be in the lineup on a regular basis? I could go on about other guys on the roster, but you get the point.

 

Their time will come.

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I think this is all about the development of the young players -- in particular making them appreciate how playing in the NHL is a privilege and not a birthright. Luker and McNabb earned their shots at the show by playing well in Rochester, but they didn't earn a free pass to stay here. I would guess each of them made enough mistakes such that Nolan felt there had to be consequences, or else they wouldn't learn not to make those mistakes.

 

Being sent down now will make them appreciate their next callup and make them work harder to stay here when it happens.

 

It's old school, and it's fine with me.

 

McNabb and Adam need another 30+ games here. Let them have time. by then you may be able to package them in a deal. Porter, Ellis, Flynn, Sulzer, etc have proven over their careers that they are nothing more than AHLers. They will NEVER be part of our future. You cannot tell me in a million years that Adam didn't do enough to stay here. NO WAY the guys replacing him brings more to the table.

 

If this was DR and RR making these moves it would be an anarchy around here. Right now we are accepting whatever TN does as being the "right way". ######!! This was a freaking PR hire and most likely a big roadblock in getting a top GM in here.

 

 

Kristian First Liner

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Sounds good, but what's going to make Leino appreciate being in the NHL? Exactly what has D'Agostini done to merit being on an NHL roster? After watching him since the Sabres rescued him from the baby Pens of the AHL, he's shown me almost nothing. How do Weber or Scott deserve to be in the lineup on a regular basis? I could go on about other guys on the roster, but you get the point.

 

My guess is neither will be here next season, so who really cares about them?

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Other than Ruhwedel, who needs to be evaluated? Certainly not Porter, Ellis, Sulzer, etc.

This gives other teams opportunities to evaluate these players though. Not saying it will help but even if you can get just 1 team to bite on one of these other guys like leino stafford, porter, ellis etc... it serves a purpose and it keeps the young guns away from this shithole. Also getting big minutes in Rochester for any of these kids is a good thing.

 

That being said I am disappointed McNabb and Pysyk are both going down.

 

I'm all for putting together a powerhouse Amerks team that can roll to a championship.

Risto, Pysyk, McNabb, Adam, Larsson, Armia, Hackett etc. may be able to carry success there on to the NHL.

But from what I read from Amerk watchers, that is not going to happen until Cassidy is canned and Cunneyworth erases the stamp of Rolston-style hockey.

how bad is it?

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So much player movement leaves me confused. Does Adam no longer need to clear waivers? (McNabb seems a clearer case to me.)

 

Adam does not since he didn't hit the 10 game/30 day limit.

 

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Optional skate for #Sabres. Forwards here: D'Agostini, Ellis, Flynn, Foligno, Girgensons, Leino, Porter, Scott, Stafford. #GameDay

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Sounds good, but what's going to make Leino appreciate being in the NHL? Exactly what has D'Agostini done to merit being on an NHL roster? After watching him since the Sabres rescued him from the baby Pens of the AHL, he's shown me almost nothing. How do Weber or Scott deserve to be in the lineup on a regular basis? I could go on about other guys on the roster, but you get the point.

 

It's too late for Leino, although he's gotten healthy-scratched (as have Weber and Scott). The youngsters, though, are still in a formative stage -- and don't need to clear waivers, so it's easier to teach them the lesson.

 

As for D'Agostini, I would guess that to a coach's eye he plays a more responsible game than Luker does.

 

In any case I think Kristian is right that they are gone next year.

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McNabb and Adam need another 30+ games here. Let them have time. by then you may be able to package them in a deal. Porter, Ellis, Flynn, Sulzer, etc have proven over their careers that they are nothing more than AHLers. They will NEVER be part of our future. You cannot tell me in a million years that Adam didn't do enough to stay here. NO WAY the guys replacing him brings more to the table.

 

If this was DR and RR making these moves it would be an anarchy around here. Right now we are accepting whatever TN does as being the "right way". ######!! This was a freaking PR hire and most likely a big roadblock in getting a top GM in here.

Well yea because DR and RR had ample time to evaluate talent and know who can do what. PLF and TN are evaluating talent and trying to figure out NEXT season. This season is really extended training camp at this point.

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It's too late for Leino, although he's gotten healthy-scratched (as have Weber and Scott). The youngsters, though, are still in a formative stage -- and don't need to clear waivers, so it's easier to teach them the lesson.

 

As for D'Agostini, I would guess that to a coach's eye he plays a more responsible game than Luker does.

 

In any case I think Kristian is right that they are gone next year.

 

I think it's pretty clear to all of us that many of these vets that are currently on the roster are just place holders with no real future in Buffalo.

 

My eyes are going to be hurting watching these slugs skate around game after game for the rest of this season. :wacko:

 

Can't wait to see you in action again Kevin. :rolleyes:

 

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I think it's pretty clear to all of us that many of these vets that are currently on the roster are just place holders with no real future in Buffalo.

 

My eyes are going to be hurting watching these slugs skate around game after game for the rest of this season. :wacko:

 

Can't wait to see you in action again Kevin. :rolleyes:

 

@BuffaloSabres

"This is where I want to be." -Kevin Porter, who is expected to be in the lineup tonight. "I'm excited." #Sabres

 

Or just don't watch. There are a lot of good books out there. :P

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Good thing I have NHL CI so I don't forget what good hockey looks like. :)

 

GameCenter was definitely worth the investment on my end. All the west coast hockey when I get home from work at night has been nice.

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My understanding from listening to GR this morning is that Nolan wants Adam, Pysyk, McNabb, etc. to be able to "learn how to win," which they can't do here, and that Porter is a warm body to fill a sweater while the kids learn to win in Rochester. Nolan might be evaluating Rudy for a real shot someday, but not Porter.

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Well yea because DR and RR had ample time to evaluate talent and know who can do what. PLF and TN are evaluating talent and trying to figure out NEXT season. This season is really extended training camp at this point.

 

Please explain to me what talent they are evaluating?

darksabre Hall of Famer

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This guy for one:

@BuffaloSabres

Ruhwedel happy to be back with #Sabres, says he's going to "work hard, play hard, skate hard."

 

Rudy is interesting. At times last year he didn't look half bad. I'm curious to see him play a few games this year. I don't expect much but you never know with college kids.

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McNabb and Adam need another 30+ games here. Let them have time. by then you may be able to package them in a deal. Porter, Ellis, Flynn, Sulzer, etc have proven over their careers that they are nothing more than AHLers. They will NEVER be part of our future. You cannot tell me in a million years that Adam didn't do enough to stay here. NO WAY the guys replacing him brings more to the table.

 

If this was DR and RR making these moves it would be an anarchy around here. Right now we are accepting whatever TN does as being the "right way". ######!! This was a freaking PR hire and most likely a big roadblock in getting a top GM in here.

 

Ouch. Years of DR incompetence have left you bitter, my friend.

 

I think it all comes down to what's best for the development of the youngsters. Your post implies that you think the development of McNabb and Adam (and presumably the other kids) would be enhanced by keeping them up here. PLF and TN clearly don't agree. There's no way to know for sure, but I'm inclined to agree with PLF and TN.

 

This guy for one:

@BuffaloSabres

Ruhwedel happy to be back with #Sabres, says he's going to "work hard, play hard, skate hard."

 

And here's one of the kids appreciating his shot at the show.

 

I think this is the right approach. If we want this group of kids to develop into the core of a contending team, we can't rush it.

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I like hockey. It's fun.

ur posts bring nothen to teh bord. get outta here homer!11!

 

I don't mind getting another look at Ruhwedel. If Patty thinks that sending the kids down to Roch is what's best for their development, I can't really argue with him. This Sabres team really is putrid right now. I don't really understand sending Pysyk down instead of Sulzer if it's only going to be a few days... Maybe Ruhwedel will stay and Sulzer will be sent back down once Pysyk is back.

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Here's a quote from the Zadorov thread that Corner put up...

 

“At times we didn’t have the luck, at other time we lost without a chance, but I think everything will get better,” Zadorov said. “The team is being reorganized right now and next season, the goals will be set higher.”

 

Obviously the team is communicating with the players. Remember, we have seen a lot of the fringe and young players play game in and game out, but I highly doubt Teddy and Pat were watching....and it would be idiotic to trust anyone from the previous crew that was setting the plan. Get as many of these guys up for a few weeks and get a feel for them as people and players. They know this season is shot, so weed the fluff out, reorganize the structure going forward and see who you can depend on, yet the young kids sharpen their craft and leadership skills at a level they can excel, and next season you add some FA's make some moves, then bring up the kids in supporting roles who are ready with the goal of playing to win, and not solely learning on the job as you hope for a 25% chance to luck into the #1 pick.

 

It would be nice to have the new GM on board during this process so we don't go through redundancy.

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