Are there any Leafs fans here?

[Assquatch]

Official "Hate Index"

 

0-25....We're Well-Wishers

26-40...If you fail, we'll chuckle

41-60...We're not so worried about you, but like our Aunt's ex-husband, if you F-up, we'll be sure to point it out and say what a D-Bag you are.

61-70...You are a Darcyesque weasel. Not the slime of the world, but we know what you are made of....

71-80...Choke on it....but only to the point of unconsciousness....not death...

81-90...We are willing to hire professional street walkers to perform at your function with the hopes you acquire something and pass it on to your wife.

91-100..When Russia and China finally attack, we hope a nuke lands 30 miles (50km) out from your city center for maximum suffering before you go.

 

Columbus 14 You're the only city that people would hesitate going to over Buffalo

Winnipeg 17 We hate you got screwed out of your team for 2 decades, but still sort of pissed we ended up with May over Tkachuk

Phoenix 19 You are our bankrupt, western, step-sister. But you stole Winnipeg.....

Minnesota 26 You too had the Stars stolen from you. Your crappy jerseys and pickled herring hold you back

Florida 29 You are a nice place to visit. That helps soothe a bunch of rubber rats and ignorant rink attendees

Nashville 31 Your GM is as crappy as Darcy and still has a job. You gave a 1st for Paul Gaustad and your jersey looks like baby poop

St. Louis 33 Your airport sucks, and you have Hitchcock

Tampa Bay 34 Other than winning a Cup with our ex AHL coach...it's all good...

San Jose 36 You do what we do, but better...build soft teams that get bounced when it matters...and turquoise?

Edmonton 38 Don't come shopping here!....and you are lucky the WHA went into the crapper....

Colorado 43 You take away a division rival, you win multiple cups soon after, and you hire Claude Lemieux

Anaheim 44 You win a cup as an expansion team named after a Disney film based on a Sheen brother.....

LA 45 Trade for Gretzky, then his wife and Rick Tocchett launder cash for a decade...smooth....

Detroit 48 Thanks for being good all the time....A-holes.....

Vancouver 53 You get the Sedin Brothers......we get the Shannon Brothers......

NewJersey 54 You made me stay up until 2 AM when I wasn't allowed to drink....

Calgary 55 F Jamie Macoun.......

Chicago 58 You win 2 Cups with OUR...white trash.....

Islanders 61 Thanks for Al Arbour's reference letter on Darcy. And Billy Smith is a bum.

Rangers 64 All those years of no salary cap and stealing free agents....

Washington 73 Your coach was chickensh!t...you went to the cup with an AHL goalie we swapped for casino credit...and you killed Tim Russert

Pittsburgh 74 So we get to live your failure because Terry and Ted know you...and Mario lucked into a freebie on Dom

Montreal 77 We wear yellow pajamas and banana slugs when you wear the same thing for a century....

Ottawa 78 Vial, Neil, Emery.....F U

Dallas 82 You know......it'd be higher except you have Lindy now...hahaha!

Carolina 85 It's because of you, every time I get a sexual offender flyer in the mail, I don't take it seriously.....

Philly 88 I'm convinced the orange jerseys are for hiding the vomit after your proud citizens are forced to drink rubbing alcohol because it's cheap

Toronto 89 Toronto is the city that takes refugees deemed too dangerous for the US. They all seem to be hockey fans with a travel budget to boot...

Boston 93 Awww....F It. Just let the nuke hit Faneuil Hall......

Fun game: read the description only and guess the team.

[Eleven]

Fun game: read the description only and guess the team.

 

As clever as Drane's post is (and it is), I think you've got the right idea. Drane, can you reformat that and randomize the teams?

[Sabre Dance]

A huge portion of Sabres fans deal with a massive inferiority complete. It's more jealously and resentment that actual hate. It's a frustration spawned by teams like the Leafs, Flyers and Bruins ability to remain relevant despite their place in the standings. You see it when the Sabres are on a national broadcast, some fans get so indignant when the network spends time talking and have features on players who draw national interest. You also see it with all the delusional conspiracy theories that pop up from time to time. It can be entertaining at times, it ends up mostly being embarrassing.

 

The Leafs are an Original Six franchise with a classic uniform, which the Sabres emulated, a rich history and a fan base that can easily support a second team in Toronto and probably even a third. I have nothing but respect for Toronto as the worlds premier hockey market, and I appreciate that on any given night a large portion of fans at the F'n center are Leaf fans no matter who the Sabres are playing.

Interesting. Tell me more about how the Sabres emulated the Leaf's uniform. I genuinely have never heard this and am curious about this,

I believe the story went that the prototype Sabres sweater was based on a Leafs sweater.

 

When the Sabres entered the NHL in 1970, they wanted to emulate a successful existing franchise. They patterned themselves after the Maple Leafs right down to hiring Punch Imlach who had won the Cup with the Leafs in 1967. Without the gold stripes, the Sabres sweaters very closely resembled the Leafs jerseys.

I always had respect for the Leafs, even during the Howard Ballard years. Besides being an "Original Six" franchise, they did have a certain amount of class. (To me, the real hockey "royalty" were the Canadiens. The Montreal Forum was like a cathedral devoted to hockey.) I grew up watching the Leafs and the Canadiens on Hockey Night in Canada before there was much hockey on American TV. (Yes, we had to rotate the rooftop antenna to point north and the picture from CBLT was pretty snowy). I don't hate the Leafs; I consider them a great rival and now that they are finally in our division, the games mean even more. (Also, Toronto is a very cool city....)

[Derrico]

...lotta long words in there.

 

So I didn't read it all but I gave you an A so who cares?

[shrader]

I think you nailed it. The hate is one-sided. I seriously doubt the Sabres make the top five in a Leafs fan's list of top rivals.

 

Beyond Leafs fans coming to Buffalo and cheering, and Sabres fans trying to respond, what else does this rivalry have? There isn't much history. Only one playoff meeting. It's mostly a little brother jumping up and down and trying to get the big brother's attention.

 

Philadelphia should clearly be our biggest rival. Boston a close second. I had hopes for Carolina. I like Taro's thought about the Isles. But I'm sure that feeling is contained to us older fans. Maybe the Sabres and Islanders should get together and try and cultivate the hate. We could be their Rangers lite.

 

I'm late to this party, but I'll chime in. Our best option for a rivalry never would have worked thanks to the geography, Vancouver. If only they had been closer together, the coming into the league together thing could have been huge. Hell, just look at their history, it is very similar. They've got, what, 3 Stanley Cup Finals appearances to our two? Oh what could have been.

 

In terms of who our rival should be, I think Ottawa would actually be a good one. They're the red-headed step child franchise of eastern Canada, so they'll never be in with Montreal and Toronto. We're kind of stuck on our own too as the other "New York" teams have each other and Pittsburgh has Philly. The history is pretty decent too, so it really should be them.

[darksabre]

 

 

I'm late to this party, but I'll chime in. Our best option for a rivalry never would have worked thanks to the geography, Vancouver. If only they had been closer together, the coming into the league together thing could have been huge. Hell, just look at their history, it is very similar. They've got, what, 3 Stanley Cup Finals appearances to our two? Oh what could have been.

 

In terms of who our rival should be, I think Ottawa would actually be a good one. They're the red-headed step child franchise of eastern Canada, so they'll never be in with Montreal and Toronto. We're kind of stuck on our own too as the other "New York" teams have each other and Pittsburgh has Philly. The history is pretty decent too, so it really should be them.

 

Screw Ron Tugnutt.

[Derrico]

So I didn't read it all but I gave you an A so who cares?

 

Anyone else know what movie I'm talking about?

[That Aud Smell]

good call on vancouver, shrader - really good call.

 

In terms of who our rival should be, I think Ottawa would actually be a good one.

Screw Ron Tugnutt.

 

and this make sense as well.

 

there is plenty of history - the neil hit on drury won't soon fade from memory. or ever, for that matter.

[IKnowPhysics]

[spndnchz]

Anyone else know what movie I'm talking about?

 

I'm not sure. You used a lot of big words.

[Stoner]

Aud, you're only as smart as some Leaf fan I sat next to for Nolan's return. "Heyyyyy, ref, you hoserrrrrrrrr! You suck, eh! I can vitiate as good as you can!"

[Monkeygirl]

I think leafs fans definitely don't like the Sabres. If it were any other city, they would also have an inferiority complex from not winning for so long, but exterior factors keep propping up the franchise, such as age I guess. Anything older gets more respect. But I think having a 64-25 record against the leafs at home is reason enough for the leafs to place buffalo in the rival list.

Hey, as long as your getting honked at or yelled at for wearing a sabres jersey in downtown Toronto, I think that's a good sign.

[That Aud Smell]

Aud, you're only as smart as some Leaf fan I sat next to for Nolan's return. "Heyyyyy, ref, you hoserrrrrrrrr! You suck, eh! I can vitiate as good as you can!"

 

Nice.

 

Although, it continues to trouble me that you @ me as "Aud" and not "Smell." The latter is the one that catches my eye.

 

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huzzah.

[BuffaloBorn]

I have an inside source and Dear friend who will remain nameless who claims that the Seymour Knox family owned a polo team, as Knox had an affinity for horses. and for their jerseys they wore the original blue and gold. That's the true story. The "based on the Toronto Maple-leafs jersey" theory is balogna. True fact. Thank me later

[That Aud Smell]

I have an inside source and Dear friend who will remain nameless who claims that the Seymour Knox family owned a polo team, as Knox had an affinity for horses. and for their jerseys they wore the original blue and gold. That's the true story. The "based on the Toronto Maple-leafs jersey" theory is balogna. True fact. Thank me later

 

I've heard and read before that the color scheme - blue and gold with a white field - was based on the Knox family polo team's kits. (A Googling returns several such mentions.) But I've also seen quotes from SHK3 to the effect that the layout of the home sweaters was intentionally patterned after the layout of the Leafs' sweater (white field, crest placement, striping, shoulder details). If you compare the 2 kits circa 1971 from a graphic design standpoint, the likeness is obvious.

[Sabre Dance]

I have an inside source and Dear friend who will remain nameless who claims that the Seymour Knox family owned a polo team, as Knox had an affinity for horses. and for their jerseys they wore the original blue and gold. That's the true story. The "based on the Toronto Maple-leafs jersey" theory is balogna. True fact. Thank me later

 

I had a hockey equipment mail-order catalog back in 1969 or 1970. (the name of the company is forgotten and they've long since gone the way of the dodo). They sold all kinds of merchandise, including "gift" items, such as embroidered novelty emblems for the various NHL teams. The Bruins patch was a cartoony bear wearing a hockey sweater, the Blackhawk's one was a Native American wearing a feathered headdress, etc. Each of the emblems was in team colors. Interestingly enough, the Sabres' patch was rendered in RED and gold, not blue and gold. The Sabres' were still new enough that the company producing the emblems didn't get it quite right. Now, I wish I had bought one of them back then; it would be quite the collector's item.

[BMWR100RT]

This explains it all.

 

[BuffaloBorn]

While I don't doubt that fragments of the old Toronto Maple-leaf sweaters were considered when DESIGNING the Sabre's jerseys (the stripes on the sleeves) I still maintain that my 'inside source' was correct when he told me the original COLOR SCHEME- the original BLUE and GOLD- was an original Knox creation.

[Assquatch]

I think leafs fans definitely don't like the Sabres. If it were any other city, they would also have an inferiority complex from not winning for so long, but exterior factors keep propping up the franchise, such as age I guess. Anything older gets more respect. But I think having a 64-25 record against the leafs at home is reason enough for the leafs to place buffalo in the rival list.

Hey, as long as your getting honked at or yelled at for wearing a sabres jersey in downtown Toronto, I think that's a good sign.

Armstrong and Aldrin were on the moon more recently than anyone in a Maple Leaf jersey has lifted the cup.

[Weave]

While I don't doubt that fragments of the old Toronto Maple-leaf sweaters were considered when DESIGNING the Sabre's jerseys (the stripes on the sleeves) I still maintain that my 'inside source' was correct when he told me the original COLOR SCHEME- the original BLUE and GOLD- was an original Knox creation.

 

I am not sure who your disagreement is with. Noone is denying that.

[FolignosJock]

It is hard to have good rivalries when both teams arent very good. I would say growing up the leafs and philly were HUGE rivals. The two straight years we eliminated philly from the playoffs, I think one was a sweep and in both clinching games we outscored them by a lot. Back then the Philly rivalry was alive and well, since then it is just blah

 

edit: I have terrible memory and it all runs together, we have never outted them in the playoffs two years in a row in my lifetime. But the year after that 8-0 drubbing the rivalry was full blown.

[MattPie]

Armstrong and Aldrin were on the moon more recently than anyone in a Maple Leaf jersey has lifted the cup.

 

The original Star Trek was finishing up it's first season.

[BuffaloBorn]

I am not sure who your disagreement is with. Noone is denying that.

I was not arguing! Merely responding

[That Aud Smell]

I have an inside source and Dear friend who will remain nameless who claims that the Seymour Knox family owned a polo team, as Knox had an affinity for horses. and for their jerseys they wore the original blue and gold. That's the true story. The "based on the Toronto Maple-leafs jersey" theory is balogna. True fact. Thank me later

While I don't doubt that fragments of the old Toronto Maple-leaf sweaters were considered when DESIGNING the Sabre's jerseys (the stripes on the sleeves) I still maintain that my 'inside source' was correct when he told me the original COLOR SCHEME- the original BLUE and GOLD- was an original Knox creation.

I am not sure who your disagreement is with. Noone is denying that.

 

his disagreement is with himself, evidently. he first posited that the story about the sabres' sweaters being based on the leafs sweater was bologna (please pronounce that phonetically, for it pleases me greatly). since no one would have been suggesting that the sabres based their jerseys on the leafs crest or colors, the bologna statement clearly indicated that the sabres didn't borrow from the leafs in any meaningful way. then he said that, while the design and layout of the leafs jersey may have served as a template, the color scheme was based on the knox family polo team's color scheme. which is quite a different point to make.

 

i also wonder whether the poster's inside source is the sabres website.

 

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532255

[BuffaloBorn]

My source is a well-known local historian, actually two.. but let me correct you .

 

1) My implication was that the theory that the Buffalo Sabres jerseys were exclusively designed by the Toronto maple-leafs jerseys 100% is hogwash which is why I likened that theory to balogna.

 

2) Don't question my spelling of balogna

 

3) I was simply acknowledging that there are fragments of the old Toronto jerseys that mirror the old Sabres jerseys, but the color scheme has nothing to do with Toronto

 

4) I wasn't arguing with anyone, adjunctly I was dismissing the theory that the Sabres jerseys are completely based on Leafs jerseys

 

I was never making any contradictory points bro. Aud smell. Let's duel. You obviously don't want me on this forum. Let's do it bro. Come at me bro . I'm probably younger than you lets do this already.

 

the bologna statement clearly indicated that the sabres didn't borrow from the leafs in any meaningful way.

 

 

 

 

No, that was never the "indication". I just stated that the "Buffalo designed their jerseys solely based on the Toronto Maple-Leafs jersey" theory is Hogwash. Asinine, Charles Manson, Poppy-######, Luny-Tunes.

 

 

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