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GDT: Buffalo at Toronto 11-16-13 at 7:00 PM EST

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TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

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clearly has not been a great week on the political front for Toronto. Mayor simply a ridiculous man. As contrast , it has been a excellent week for those who support Sabres. Even tonight while a loss on the scoreboard, a win from a effort and team building perspective. I am guessing Nolan will have team playing emotional , combative hockey , creating excitement again for all teams followers. Imagine the big decision will be , does team continue on with trading and drafting youth, or fill needed holes with vets. Really believe Nolan will create a emotional environment that will put this team closer than many would have imagined.

 

I disagree. If you like entertainment, this week has been awesome! Rob Ford is my favorite politician since Rod Blagojevich (although Anthony Weiner is in there somewhere).

millbank Third Liner

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Blow it out yer ass.

 

Good evening Swamp.... :lol:

 

 

Most favored Team status in full effect.

 

I usually root for the Leafs, but the buttercup calls they got tonight piss me off to no end. Why did John Scott get kicked out? Because the rest of the Leafs are a bunch of pu$$ies and the refs were afraid he was going to hurt one of them? That truly was an unbelievable call.

 

Millbank, enjoy another first round exit.

SwampD Hall of Famer

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clearly has not been a great week on the political front for Toronto. Mayor simply a ridiculous man. As contrast , it has been a excellent week for those who support Sabres. Even tonight while a loss on the scoreboard, a win from a effort and team building perspective. I am guessing Nolan will have team playing emotional , combative hockey , creating excitement again for all teams followers. Imagine the big decision will be , does team continue on with trading and drafting youth, or fill needed holes with vets. Really believe Nolan will create a emotional environment that will put this team closer than many would have imagined.

Don't overlook the unbelievable precedent set in this game tonight. A player was kicked out of a game not for what he did, because he did nothing. He was kicked out of a game for what the refs were afraid he might do.

 

Only in Toronto. This isn't beer league. Truly a sad day in the NHL

SwampD Hall of Famer

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Yes, If John Scott didn't know he was a marked goon than he is as dumb as he is talentless. It has nothing to do with Phaneuf. Scott brought it upon himself. Not to mention it's 2013 going into 2014, using gender related insults is lame.

So now it's up to the league who gets to play on which team. You just sound dumber and dumber on this issue.

Huckleberry All Star

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Didn't see the game last night, but looking at above video, what did scott do to get ejected ?

Phaneuf took a dive to avoid a hit, yet they guys talk like scott "targetted" his legs. if anything Phaneuf targetted scotts legs.

 

 

well Ott got him good at start, but took one in the end, call it a draw

kishoph Third Liner

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Now he's not even allowed to try to play hockey. Match penalty for being John Scott.

 

What a joke, where was the roughing he was penalized for ? Was it for thinking about throwing a check on Phaneuf, or for being jumped ? Maybe he received a roughing for each guy that jumped him. Now officials are going to give out misconducts based on what a player might do. Maybe Nolan will be suspended for putting Scott on the ice in the first place.

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I watched again the whole game on nhl GameCenter. The effort was good again, but the goals we got were mistakes by our defense ( and bad luck ofcourse) by not pushing away van Riemsdyk. Ennis was great, and Ott is the man. We really need to sign him (6 years 5million will be his price). He is a leader by example.

 

The Scott penalty was a joke, he as doing nothing. He neither had a chance to do anything, because he was attacked from behind by McClaren.

 

I would like to see Patty back instead of Tropp in line 4.

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I am loving it. Next time the Sabres play the leafs, we should all make princess references on their boards. I'll do something up in photoshop later today. Fans in Buffalo should dress up in drag with Paneuf's number on them. Yeh, probably sophmoric, but I am sure this crowd could be really creative.

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So now it's up to the league who gets to play on which team. You just sound dumber and dumber on this issue.

What is "dumb" is to think the NHL doesn't have a say in their own product. When you have goons embarrassing the league the NHL is well within it's rights to phase goons out of the game. John Scott certainly should be aware of this by now. He will be judged by a different standard due to his previous actions. John Scott is likely looking at an additional 10 minutes every time he is involved in a skirmish. There are more than enough tough guys who can actually play hockey where the John Scotts of the league will not be missed.

 

Don't overlook the unbelievable precedent set in this game tonight. A player was kicked out of a game not for what he did, because he did nothing. He was kicked out of a game for what the refs were afraid he might do.

 

Only in Toronto. This isn't beer league. Truly a sad day in the NHL

Now he's not even allowed to try to play hockey. Match penalty for being John Scott.

Scott was given 4 minutes for roughing and a 10 minute misconduct as was Frazer McLaren of the Leafs.

 

The 10 minute misconduct is a penalty you will see be used more broadly than you have in the past. It gives the officials a better chance in controlling games.

SwampD Hall of Famer

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What is "dumb" is to think the NHL doesn't have a say in their own product. When you have goons embarrassing the league the NHL is well within it's rights to phase goons out of the game. John Scott certainly should be aware of this by now. He will be judged by a different standard due to his previous actions. John Scott is likely looking at an additional 10 minutes every time he is involved in a skirmish. There are more than enough tough guys who can actually play hockey where the John Scotts of the league will not be missed.

Like I said,… dumber and dumber. What was the rule Scott broke to get a 10 min penalty? Getting attacked and not fighting back? "Being John Scott" is not in the NHL rulebook.

 

I also like how you think that the NHL has now found religion, yet it has no say in telling arenas not to show fighting in on the Jumbos during a game.

kishoph Third Liner

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What is "dumb" is to think the NHL doesn't have a say in their own product. When you have goons embarrassing the league the NHL is well within it's rights to phase goons out of the game. John Scott certainly should be aware of this by now. He will be judged by a different standard due to his previous actions. John Scott is likely looking at an additional 10 minutes every time he is involved in a skirmish. There are more than enough tough guys who can actually play hockey where the John Scotts of the league will not be missed.

 

 

 

What make John Scott a "goon" ? Is it that he is big, strong and is able to fight, is it that he is not the most talented player on the ice, or is it that fools like Mike Milbury (a true goon) labels him one ? Scott had never been suspended or in any kind of trouble (that I know of) in the league in his 8th year, up till this year. Scott is able to play the role of an enforcer without gooning it up like someone such as Colton Orr, who plays dirty, yet gets away with it, or someone like Chara, who can do whatever he wants and never is labled a "goon" or thug, because he is more skilled.

I don't see Scott as a dirty player, like some of the "goons" in this league, that get away with everything.

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What is "dumb" is to think the NHL doesn't have a say in their own product. When you have goons embarrassing the league the NHL is well within it's rights to phase goons out of the game. John Scott certainly should be aware of this by now. He will be judged by a different standard due to his previous actions. John Scott is likely looking at an additional 10 minutes every time he is involved in a skirmish. There are more than enough tough guys who can actually play hockey where the John Scotts of the league will not be missed.

 

 

Scott was given 4 minutes for roughing and a 10 minute misconduct as was Frazer McLaren of the Leafs.

 

The 10 minute misconduct is a penalty you will see be used more broadly than you have in the past. It gives the officials a better chance in controlling games.

 

Your need for controversy is endless. Now that DR is gone you had to come up with something to rail against, right?

millbank Third Liner

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agree with Deluca. Anyone following general managers meetings, competition meetings ect over the past few years now, there clearly is a move to do away with the role of enforcer in game, guy who's role is simply to fight. This not a Sabre thing or a Scott , it about if teams employ a player who's entire job is to fight that team will pay a price. The old direction of league is changing from the carnival of the staged fight. It sending a message to management , where it should be sent to. Scotts behavior not wrong or similar players they doing there job as hired. Making comment like it or no, defending Sabres right or wrong begets what has transpired for many years now of wheel spinning. Nolan last evening when asked if he had talked to Scott about staged fighting, said he had told Scott he does not want this stuff from a Sabre, while he believes there is a place for fighting in game, there is no placed for the carnival stuff. It cheapens the game . Why would any skilled player want to risk his career fighting off such players. The nonsense of the name calling because they do not do so, flat out stupid. Again this not a Sabre thing, or a Leaf thing, it a league one. Deluca was right about Darcy and he is right here. To bad Darcy was not shown door long ago. and the sooner the Sabres and other teams employ a talented player in the roster spot the league will be better for it. It obvious teams if league will do nothing they have no alternative to hire the enforcer/fighter. The in words and in subtle ways doing something.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

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It doesn't matter if they want to get rid of enforcers, that still doesn't justify tossing a guy from a game for doing nothing. Besides, as long as the league's discipline policy remains a joke, teams will employ enforcers. That's the grand irony: the Sabres have Scott in large part because of the league's failures, yet the league portrays it as the Sabres problem.

Eleven Hall of Famer

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It doesn't matter if they want to get rid of enforcers, that still doesn't justify tossing a guy from a game for doing nothing. Besides, as long as the league's discipline policy remains a joke, teams will employ enforcers. That's the grand irony: the Sabres have Scott in large part because of the league's failures, yet the league portrays it as the Sabres problem.

 

I agree w/ both of these, and with the majority of players who want fighting to remain in the game. It's a better deterrent to cheapshots than the BS department of player safety.

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It doesn't matter if they want to get rid of enforcers, that still doesn't justify tossing a guy from a game for doing nothing. Besides, as long as the league's discipline policy remains a joke, teams will employ enforcers. That's the grand irony: the Sabres have Scott in large part because of the league's failures, yet the league portrays it as the Sabres problem.

 

I agree... This is so black and white. Scott got hauled down from behind. He didn't instigate the fight. He was watching when Orr and McClaren gooned it up. Orr flopped over the pile endagering everyone around him. McClaren cheap shotted Scott. The refs were not about to let the game escalate and as such, they unfairly punished Scott. The Sabres should protest to the league. It won't do any good, but it's the principle of it.

 

I wondered if Scott said something to the ref. Nothing short of that makes any sense.

SwampD Hall of Famer

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agree with Deluca. Anyone following general managers meetings, competition meetings ect over the past few years now, there clearly is a move to do away with the role of enforcer in game, guy who's role is simply to fight. This not a Sabre thing or a Scott , it about if teams employ a player who's entire job is to fight that team will pay a price. The old direction of league is changing from the carnival of the staged fight. It sending a message to management , where it should be sent to. Scotts behavior not wrong or similar players they doing there job as hired. Making comment like it or no, defending Sabres right or wrong begets what has transpired for many years now of wheel spinning. Nolan last evening when asked if he had talked to Scott about staged fighting, said he had told Scott he does not want this stuff from a Sabre, while he believes there is a place for fighting in game, there is no placed for the carnival stuff. It cheapens the game . Why would any skilled player want to risk his career fighting off such players. The nonsense of the name calling because they do not do so, flat out stupid. Again this not a Sabre thing, or a Leaf thing, it a league one. Deluca was right about Darcy and he is right here. To bad Darcy was not shown door long ago. and the sooner the Sabres and other teams employ a talented player in the roster spot the league will be better for it. It obvious teams if league will do nothing they have no alternative to hire the enforcer/fighter. The in words and in subtle ways doing something.

I agree with all of this. The only problem is that Scott was not on the ice to fight last night, otherwise he would have. As silly as some might think it, he was on the ice to play hockey and the refs/league wouldn't let him.

 

This, combined with the "player selection" fine really has me worried on the direction the NHL is headed.

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Scott did nothing to deserve 14 minutes, but, for the referee, what Scott did or didn't do is a secondary consideration to keeping the game in hand. This was a much-hyped game on the League's biggest stage and teams and officials were well-warned beforehand not to let things degenerate.

 

The refs ensured two of the most likely gong show participants were gone for the rest of the game, got the other two off the ice for an extended period of time and gave the Sabres a two-minute power play since it was the Leaves who instigated the melee.

 

Deluca's cheap shot against Scott is unwarranted, but the officials handled the situation very well.

 

Eleven Hall of Famer

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Scott did nothing to deserve 14 minutes, but, for the referee, what Scott did or didn't do is a secondary consideration to keeping the game in hand. This was a much-hyped game on the League's biggest stage and teams and officials were well-warned beforehand not to let things degenerate.

 

The refs ensured two of the most likely gong show participants were gone for the rest of the game, got the other two off the ice for an extended period of time and gave the Sabres a two-minute power play since it was the Leaves who instigated the melee.

 

Deluca's cheap shot against Scott is unwarranted, but the officials handled the situation very well.

 

I can agree with this, too.

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

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Millbank, if you wanna post here that's fine but slinking away after we win then coming in guns blazing when you win is pretty sad. Scott was tossed for nothing and I hate to tell ppl but he is a capable fourth line player. The Sabres are repeatedly targeted by the league that is a fact we have to live with. That being said I'm surprised Scott hasn't been suspended for yesterday's action. You know how I know the leafs get special treatment, Kadri got three games for taking out backstrom, Scott got 7for clipping a guy. Both had no previous suspensions. One resulted in injury and it was Kadris.

 

Regardless of that, the Sabres lost because they played like garbage in the first period. Toronto took it to them and capatilized on their chances. Buffalo had good bounce back but you don't win by going down 3-0 early in the second. They need to play a complete game and I think Nolan will get them there. Lots of work left to do. This team needs to keep getting evaluated and keep working. St Louis is a hell of a lot harder to play than Toronto so that will be a good test Tuesday.

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LGR,

 

Re: Millbank ... :o

 

Now about Scott.

 

Was he not drafted / played as a D-man in Chicago.

 

What if the Sabres went all Chara with him and used him as that stud, but clean, D-man that some envision Myers as?

 

Would that work, or is Scott a marked man by the league powers that be regardless of what position he plays?

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