GM Speculation

[Weave]

Teams don't need to give permission to speak with a candidate during the season, while in the off-season they have to. We've heard of many that will, such as Pittsburgh and Boston, but those were gimmies. Both have connections to the Sabres. Poile also supposedly has given Fenton the green light. There is a belief that Coyotes may tell Sabres to wait til the off-season for Brad Treliving though, and who knows how many others? None of us know Patty's list.

 

Come again?

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Come again?

 

Teams can deny permission to any team that wants to speak with their assistants during the regular season.

 

In the off-season, that doesn't apply, as long as the position is a promotional job (asst gm going to interview for gm spot).

[beerme1]

Any thoughts on Tim Murray? Interesting dark horse imo.

[sicknfla]

To state the obvious, the longer this goes the more likely PLF will wait till the off-season and this might be the best way to go anyway. The pool of candidates will be much larger and who knows who may become available.

The obvious issues are dealing with Moulson, Miller and Ott but while getting the best return is paramount to the future of the franchise, in my mind it doesn't trump getting the right man. If I'm not mistaken, Boston was forced to wait for Chiarelli which led to questions with how much a role he had in persuading Chara to follow him.

 

I think the longer this goes on the more PLF might decide that with a good Ass. Gm he might be the right man for the job. Somebody to handle the money end and he and Devine can handle the personnel end.

 

Obviously, nobody has swept him off his feet.

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I think the longer this goes on the more PLF might decide that with a good Ass. Gm he might be the right man for the job. Somebody to handle the money end and he and Devine can handle the personnel end.

 

Obviously, nobody has swept him off his feet.

 

Based on what?

 

When this all began, Patty said the GM search would take "2-12 weeks". Let's relax a bit.

[sicknfla]

 

 

Based on what?

 

When this all began, Patty said the GM search would take "2-12 weeks". Let's relax a bit.

 

It is based on my opinion....nothing more. Just like 99% of the posts on here.

 

I must have not heard the 12 weeks part. Again this is just my opinion, however, if you start asking other teams for permission to speak to their ass. Gm's I would think that proper etiquette for doing this mid season is to make a timely decision. Otherwise you leave the teams of the candidates in limbo.

 

Take Pittsburgh for instance. When they granted permission to speak to Botteril they probably were not expecting to have their ass. Gm in limbo for 12 weeks. Just seems like bad business to me.

[Weave]

Teams can deny permission to any team that wants to speak with their assistants during the regular season.

 

In the off-season, that doesn't apply, as long as the position is a promotional job (asst gm going to interview for gm spot).

 

I read it the opposite way in your first post. You posted it with such conviction I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself before correcting.

[Stoner]

I think the longer this goes on the more PLF might decide that with a good Ass. Gm he might be the right man for the job. Somebody to handle the money end and he and Devine can handle the personnel end.

 

Obviously, nobody has swept him off his feet.

 

Huh. Go figure.

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Per Matthew Collar

 

 

 

MatthewWGR So this surprised me: Heard through the grapevine the Sabres haven't yet

talked to Jason Boterill about open GM position. Working on more

 

 

 

 

I read it the opposite way in your first post. You posted it with such conviction I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself before correcting.

 

Oh gotcha. Sorry and thanks :)

[Hoss]

Teams don't need to give permission to speak with a candidate during the season, while in the off-season they have to. We've heard of many that will, such as Pittsburgh and Boston, but those were gimmies. Both have connections to the Sabres. Poile also supposedly has given Fenton the green light. There is a belief that Coyotes may tell Sabres to wait til the off-season for Brad Treliving though, and who knows how many others? None of us know Patty's list.

 

You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a team that would deny permission for a promotional interview at any point.

 

Don Maloney is not the only GM that isn't sure if he will give permission for his assistant to leave. Teams do not want to disrupt their organization in mid season if they can avoid it. Not to mention that there could be a presently employed, highly successful candidate that wants to work with PLF or maybe a coach ready to move upstairs.

That being said, I could see it happening around the time frame you suggest when the league trading freeze is in effect if his guy is available.

 

Technically, he can't block his assistant from leaving. He can block an interview possibly, but he can't block it if the Sabres are convinced that they have their guy for the job without an interview.

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Stuff I'm seeing about Murray is that fans cant wait for Brian to disappear but have been set on Tim replacing him and aren't too happy thinking he could walk. Seem to give him credit for a lot of good that has happened there. Also seems that Bryan was planning on retiring and had to agree to stay one more year. So we take the young guy, the old walks and Darcy takes that GM job as he has shown he can work under budget constraints.

 

http://www.the6thsens.com/2013-articles/november/tim-murray-interviewing-for-vacant-buffalo-gm-gig.html

 

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Stuff I'm seeing about Murray is that fans cant wait for Brian to disappear but have been set on Tim replacing him and aren't too happy thinking he could walk. Seem to give him credit for a lot of good that has happened there. Also seems that Bryan was planning on retiring and had to agree to stay one more year. So we take the young guy, the old walks and Darcy takes that GM job as he has shown he can work under budget constraints.

 

http://www.the6thsen...alo-gm-gig.html

 

Mmmm. I wonder if anyone else noticed how bad he screwed up this team ? No doubt being a card carrying member of the old boys club he'll have no problems finding a new job.

[Hoss]

Stuff I'm seeing about Murray is that fans cant wait for Brian to disappear but have been set on Tim replacing him and aren't too happy thinking he could walk. Seem to give him credit for a lot of good that has happened there. Also seems that Bryan was planning on retiring and had to agree to stay one more year. So we take the young guy, the old walks and Darcy takes that GM job as he has shown he can work under budget constraints.

 

http://www.the6thsen...alo-gm-gig.html

 

The grammar in that article is atrocious.

[nfreeman]

 

 

You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a team that would deny permission for a promotional interview at any point.

 

 

 

Technically, he can't block his assistant from leaving. He can block an interview possibly, but he can't block it if the Sabres are convinced that they have their guy for the job without an interview.

 

Wrong on both counts.

[Hoss]

Wrong on both counts.

 

Everything I've ever seen/heard says that teams cannot block a promotion. You can block an interview, and you can block lateral moves (or demand compensation). I will admit that I've heard this specifically in other sports, but I wouldn't think the NHL would have much different rules in that department.

 

So instead of just saying "wrong" how about providing some information?

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You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a team that would deny permission for a promotional interview at any point.

 

As i posted, it's been said the Coyotes may not allow Treliving to interview but who are we to speculate who will/will not allow? Teams are in mid-season form. If i were a team, i would have to think long and hard before accepting.

[Robviously]

As i posted, it's been said the Coyotes may not allow Treliving to interview but who are we to speculate who will/will not allow? Teams are in mid-season form. If i were a team, i would have to think long and hard before accepting.

Too bad Pegula was still in "I can't think of anything Darcy's ever done wrong" mode last summer.

[Hoss]

As i posted, it's been said the Coyotes may not allow Treliving to interview but who are we to speculate who will/will not allow? Teams are in mid-season form. If i were a team, i would have to think long and hard before accepting.

 

I just think it's good business to let an interview happen. But I would make it clear that the interview has to happen at a time convenient to the team/interviewee so it doesn't interfere with the daily operations. If it were near the deadline, I would obviously say no.

It's good business for multiple reasons: Don't want to piss off your own employee who would obviously love the idea of a promotion/more money. Don't piss off another team in the league as you'll likely have to deal with them again at some point in time.

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Mmmm. I wonder if anyone else noticed how bad he screwed up this team ? No doubt being a card carrying member of the old boys club he'll have no problems finding a new job.

 

We can only hope he ends up in our division!

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I just think it's good business to let an interview happen. But I would make it clear that the interview has to happen at a time convenient to the team/interviewee so it doesn't interfere with the daily operations. If it were near the deadline, I would obviously say no.

It's good business for multiple reasons: Don't want to piss off your own employee who would obviously love the idea of a promotion/more money. Don't piss off another team in the league as you'll likely have to deal with them again at some point in time.

 

I'm not going to pretend to think i know what organizations feel like doing. The point is, the rule is there. Which you claimed there isn't. Which is pretty asinine to even think a team can not block a guy only because it's a promotion since what would be the reason for Pat LaFontaine going around seeking permission to speak with all these assistant general managers for?

[tom webster]

 

 

You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a team that would deny permission for a promotional interview at any point.

 

 

 

Technically, he can't block his assistant from leaving. He can block an interview possibly, but he can't block it if the Sabres are convinced that they have their guy for the job without an interview.

 

Teams do not have to let anyone out of a contract during season, promotion or not.

 

 

 

Everything I've ever seen/heard says that teams cannot block a promotion. You can block an interview, and you can block lateral moves (or demand compensation). I will admit that I've heard this specifically in other sports, but I wouldn't think the NHL would have much different rules in that department.

 

So instead of just saying "wrong" how about providing some information?

 

There is no sport that I know of that let's one organization take someone from another organization during season without permission.

 

You continue to post things as fact, then backtrack after being called out on it.

[Hoss]

So since nobody else wants to, I'll provide a little bit of evidence to my claims... It's a little bit different as it is a different sport (NFL) and is talking about coaches... But: http://www.windycity...ing-nfl-coaches

 

If the Bears wanted to hire away a team's contracted quarterbacks coach to run their offense, there would be nothing that could stop them, because going from a QB Coach to an Offensive Coordinator would be a step up.

 

A team can NOT block a promotion as far as I know. That's the way it's been in every sport I've heard of. Anybody want to post anything saying otherwise?

 

The way baseball works is that a team can block permission to talk about a lateral move. However, if it is for a promotion they can't deny permission to talk, but the other team will have to pay compensation to be agreed upon later in exchange for the front office guy.

The Cubs hiring of Theo Epstein is the most recent example of this. The Red Sox gave them permission to talk to GM Theo Epstein about the Cubs GM position. Epstein was headed to the Cubs. In an attempt to get out of a compensation situation, they gave him a higher title with basically the same role. MLB ruled that they still had to pay because the original intent was for the GM job.

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So since nobody else wants to, I'll provide a little bit of evidence to my claims... It's a little bit different as it is a different sport (NFL) and is talking about coaches... But: http://www.windycity...ing-nfl-coaches

 

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A team can NOT block a promotion as far as I know. That's the way it's been in every sport I've heard of. Anybody want to post anything saying otherwise?

 

Since the article was written on November 25th, im sure the author is talking about in the off-season. Why the hell would the Bears fire their offensive coordinator that late in the year and steal someone's QB coach without any practice or training camp. Think a little dude.

 

This article proves nothing.

[Hoss]

 

 

Since the article was written on November 25th, im sure the author is talking about in the off-season. Why the hell would the Bears fire their offensive coordinator that late in the year and steal someone's QB coach without any practice or training camp. Think a little dude.

 

This article proves nothing.

 

All of the articles being provided otherwise are proving a whole lot, too. Oops.

 

I guess in-season hires from outside of an organization are rare because it's tough to bring in a new guy just like that. Because of this it's probably rarely talked about anywhere. Which means it would be hard for anybody to know anything for sure either way...

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All of the articles being provided otherwise are proving a whole lot, too. Oops.

 

I guess in-season hires from outside of an organization are rare because it's tough to bring in a new guy just like that. Because of this it's probably rarely talked about anywhere. Which means it would be hard for anybody to know anything for sure either way...

 

So, having to require permission is only done for shits and giggles?