Trade Returns 2014

[Hoss]

Sabres need to keep Ott, Ehrhoff and Moulson going forward. Of course that is dependent on re-signing. I also think they need to add one more quality veteran forward. Do the rest in the draft, find out where the holes are and go to free agency to fill them in.

 

If Ott and Moulson don't have extensions on deadline day then they have to be shipped out. I'd rather trade Ott than keep him. For many reasons. He's VASTLY overrated by this fan base. He's a mediocre offensive talent who stirs the pot. That's all he is. He isn't a leader in any fashion and DEFINITELY isn't captain material. He'll get a pretty good haul on the market if we trade him.

Moulson I would like to keep around for the sake of putting talent next to Hodgson.

[TrueBlueGED]

Then the next question is, would the Oilers make that deal?

It certainly makes their team better this year and addresses their biggest weaknesses with two excellent players.

Youthful talent is certainly something they can afford to give up.

 

I honestly don't think there's any way the Oilers give up Yakupov and their #1.

[JJFIVEOH]

If Ott and Moulson don't have extensions on deadline day then they have to be shipped out. I'd rather trade Ott than keep him. For many reasons. He's VASTLY overrated by this fan base. He's a mediocre offensive talent who stirs the pot. That's all he is. He isn't a leader in any fashion and DEFINITELY isn't captain material. He'll get a pretty good haul on the market if we trade him.

Moulson I would like to keep around for the sake of putting talent next to Hodgson.

 

I completely disagree with you on Ott's role. Ott has a role, a role that is highly underrated.

[dudacek]

 

 

I honestly don't think there's any way the Oilers give up Yakupov and their #1.

 

If it was protected, like the Vanek deal, and/or conditional on Miller signing?

Everybody seems to agree the teams are a good trade match in terms of needs.

Is there a deal there you think would be good for both sides?

[Hoss]

I completely disagree with you on Ott's role. Ott has a role, a role that is highly underrated.

 

It is underrated if you're a contending team. We're not a contending team. We don't need a veteran to do what he's doing. You can find a guy that does that role after trading Ott for a pretty package. Tropp and Zemgus both will be that type of guy.

[CheckingLine]

After seeing Yak's comments, plus/minus, I have changed my mind. He will not help whatever team he is on to win consistently and is a flight risk for the KHL. He is a cancer, do not get him even at a bargain.

[hockeyhound]

I took notice of how pissed RR was after practice regarding guys practicing like they should play.

 

It appears to me that no one is safe, and that every player on the team is being evaluated in order to determine whether or not they fit into the Sabres future.

 

You would think after the Vanek trade, that guys would wake up, and take their job seriously whether its in practice or in a game.

 

We just might see some wild multi-player trade in the near future in order to acquire guys that will "play the right way".

 

I am glad RR is pissed.

 

I loved it when he kept stating during his recent interview when asked about Matt Moulson, "He is a hockey player."

 

No holds barred RR; evaluate and recommend that they get rid of the dead weight as soon as possible.

[TrueBlueGED]

If it was protected, like the Vanek deal, and/or conditional on Miller signing?

Everybody seems to agree the teams are a good trade match in terms of needs.

Is there a deal there you think would be good for both sides?

 

Is it possible for a protected pick to also be conditional on Miller? I'd imagine so, but then again, there may be limits on the number of conditions allowed on a pick. I just can't picture them trading a former #1 overall pick who led them in scoring last year and a 1st, protected or not, for Ehrhoff and a partial season of Miller (I also think Miller's value on the market is about a 2nd round pick, so there's that). Miller's NTC allegedly including all of Canada aside, I think a deal involving only Yakupov and Ehrhoff (assuming he'd waive his NTC) much more workable than something involving Miller.

[JJFIVEOH]

It is underrated if you're a contending team. We're not a contending team. We don't need a veteran to do what he's doing. You can find a guy that does that role after trading Ott for a pretty package. Tropp and Zemgus both will be that type of guy.

 

It's underrated all the time. A team full of rookies isn't going to do anything without some leadership no matter how talented they are. Almost every Cup winning team has a couple of key mid to late 30's players who are there for one reason. Ott is important in the development of the kids and could be key in a few years if this team ever becomes contenders. Ott is one of the best in the league at what he does. It's a bad idea to trade him even if a 1st rounder comes back.

 

That's just my two cents.

[bunomatic]

I took notice of how pissed RR was after practice regarding guys practicing like they should play.

 

It appears to me that no one is safe, and that every player on the team is being evaluated in order to determine whether or not they fit into the Sabres future.

 

You would think after the Vanek trade, that guys would wake up, and take their job seriously whether its in practice or in a game.

 

We just might see some wild multi-player trade in the near future in order to acquire guys that will "play the right way".

 

I am glad RR is pissed.

 

I loved it when he kept stating during his recent interview when asked about Matt Moulson, "He is a hockey player."

 

No holds barred RR; evaluate and recommend that they get rid of the dead weight as soon as possible.

 

I agree. There's probably more than a few just don't want to put in the work to help this team get better and would rather be in a better situation hence the poor effort.

[3putt]

I would like to get Saad from the Hawks, they have a lot on the farm and no place for the lads to go. Saad will be the type of player you can build an identity around,

[beerme1]

After seeing Yak's comments, plus/minus, I have changed my mind. He will not help whatever team he is on to win consistently and is a flight risk for the KHL. He is a cancer, do not get him even at a bargain.

 

Ding Ding Ding Winner winner chicken dinner!!!

[Hoss]

Oops. Wrong thread.

 

It's obviously REALLY early. And it's extremely mistimed to be talking about this... but Ryan Miller in Colorado is an obvious possibility now.

 

http://www.sbnation....iolence-charges

[WildCard]

Oops. Wrong thread.

 

It's obviously REALLY early. And it's extremely mistimed to be talking about this... but Ryan Miller in Colorado is an obvious possibility now.

 

http://www.sbnation....iolence-charges

Hmmm interesting, thanks for the link.

 

 

Obviously we won't get Mackinnon from them, but a maybe O'Reilly, Parenteu, or Statnsy and something else?

[nfreeman]

Assuming the victim has been released from kidnapping and is unharmed, I think the most likely scenario is that he pleads to a misdemeanor and is back on the ice within a week. So there'll be no trade for Miller.

[Hoss]

Hmmm interesting, thanks for the link.

 

 

Obviously we won't get Mackinnon from them, but a maybe O'Reilly, Parenteu, or Statnsy and something else?

 

Colorado won't be breaking up that offense. It'd be prospects/picks.

 

Assuming the victim has been released from kidnapping and is unharmed, I think the most likely scenario is that he pleads to a misdemeanor and is back on the ice within a week. So there'll be no trade for Miller.

 

You serious? Misdemeanor assault, felony kidnapping. He's not going to plead that down to a single misdemeanor. Then there's the fact that he'll likely face a suspension either way.

 

I do assume that it'll end up being far less serious than what we see now, but he's got something coming to him either way.

[thewookie1]

After seeing Yak's comments, plus/minus, I have changed my mind. He will not help whatever team he is on to win consistently and is a flight risk for the KHL. He is a cancer, do not get him even at a bargain.

 

I agree, in my case though I'd take him if I got a conditional 1st rounder in the event he goes to the KHL.

Miller and McBain for a 1st rounder in either 2014 or 2015 (conditional choice like NYI's pick) and a 2nd rounder in the other year.

Stafford to Winnipeg for a 2015 2nd rounder.

Then you see what Ott and moulson want to do and react accordingly. If neither want to stay, use them to acquire a vet leader.

[ubkev]

 

 

You serious? Misdemeanor assault, felony kidnapping. He's not going to plead that down to a single misdemeanor. Then there's the fact that he'll likely face a suspension either way.

 

I do assume that it'll end up being far less serious than what we see now, but he's got something coming to him either way.

 

Thought it was misdemeanor kidnapping and felony assault. Either way it all goes away if the person laying the charges drops them, right? Eleven, you're a lawyer. Is that right or did I just pull that out of my ...?

[Hoss]

Thought it was misdemeanor kidnapping and felony assault. Either way it all goes away if the person laying the charges drops them, right? Eleven, you're a lawyer. Is that right or did I just pull that out of my ...?

 

That was the original report but they switched I guess. Felony kidnapping, misdemeanor assault.

[nfreeman]

You serious? Misdemeanor assault, felony kidnapping. He's not going to plead that down to a single misdemeanor. Then there's the fact that he'll likely face a suspension either way.

 

 

Well, what do you know?

[Hoss]

 

 

Well, what do you know?

 

Cute.

 

He didn't plead anything down, for the record. And it was more about completely avoiding everything but a small fine. Still facing serious jail time. Still waiting to do.

[North Buffalo]

Colorado won't be breaking up that offense. It'd be prospects/picks.

 

 

 

You serious? Misdemeanor assault, felony kidnapping. He's not going to plead that down to a single misdemeanor. Then there's the fact that he'll likely face a suspension either way.

 

I do assume that it'll end up being far less serious than what we see now, but he's got something coming to him either way.

 

Announced today pleaded to 1st degree assault, misdemeanor. Could get six months. Kidnapping dropped.

[nfreeman]

Cute.

 

He didn't plead anything down, for the record. And it was more about completely avoiding everything but a small fine. Still facing serious jail time. Still waiting to do.

 

The fact that he didn't plead it down cuts against you, not for you.

 

If you want to have credibility (especially if you want to be a writer), you need to (i) not make authoritative assertions about matters you don't know anything about and (ii) admit when you're wrong.

[Hoss]

The fact that he didn't plead it down cuts against you, not for you.

 

If you want to have credibility (especially if you want to be a writer), you need to (i) not make authoritative assertions about matters you don't know anything about and (ii) admit when you're wrong.

 

Seriously, just stop responding to me. This is a ###### message board. I don't care what kind of credibility I have here.

My original post was alluding to the idea that if both charges were actually filed then it was unlikely he'd be able to plead them both down. The charges weren't filed so that situation never arose. The end.

 

Announced today pleaded to 1st degree assault, misdemeanor. Could get six months. Kidnapping dropped.

 

It wasn't pleaded. The kidnapping charges were just dropped. And he faces up to two years.

[North Buffalo]

It wasn't pleaded. The kidnapping charges were just dropped. And he faces up to two years.

 

Sorry, negotiated down by his lawyers. I understand there is a distinction from a lawyers perspective, but in reality this was a negotiated deal and there is none.