John Scott Suspension: 7 Games, Will Not Appeal

[Eleven]

It was a devastating hit. If Scott would have been Chara and Erikson Vanek this forum would cry for blood.

 

The funny thing is that Chara would not get a suspension for this hit and NBC would cheer about the toughnes of Chara.

 

I liked hat hit for one reason: REVENGE!!!

 

It should have been Lucic but i can live with Erikson.

 

And yes it was a bad hit, which could have also be done by Kronwall. Suspension in games for this hit done by: Chara none, Kronwall none, Scott as non Buffalo player 5 games, Scott as Buffalo player 10 games +fine for Rolston.

 

Do you say this because you perceive bias against Buffalo or because of the history between Buffalo and Boston?

 

Recall that Chara and Kronwall each play for a Most Favored Team and cannot be suspended for a hit like this.

[qwksndmonster]

Aud, would you agree that IF we are going to play John Scott on the 4th line we should play a 4th line that makes a modicum of sense? I thought Scott looked decent last night despite the fact that the 4th is a trainwreck every single time it's on the ice. He's serviceable as a 4th liner.

[That Aud Smell]

Aud, would you agree that IF we are going to play John Scott on the 4th line we should play a 4th line that makes a modicum of sense? I thought Scott looked decent last night despite the fact that the 4th is a trainwreck every single time it's on the ice. He's serviceable as a 4th liner.

 

Boy, oh boy. Scott as a serviceable 4th liner.

 

I just can't get there. Simply put: IMO, he does not possess the skating skills, stick-handling skills, or on-ice vision to play at an NHL level with any level of consistency. He just doesn't. There are a dozen, if not dozens of, guys out there who should be rostered in place of Scott if the analysis is limited to "serviceable 4th liner". I realize that's not the entirety of the analysis. I just think it should be.

[drnkirishone]

How do you have a blindside hit when the hitter is in front of the hittee for a good 5 seconds before the hit? Some blame has to go to loui on this for not defending himself on a hit. Would i be pissed if chara did that hit on whater sabres is a good size comparision? Yes but i wouldnt think it was suspendable. If that hit is suspendable for hit to the head then near every hit with over a 6 inch height difference should be. The elbow was down, he coasted in the last 2-3 strides, he lowered his centre to make solid contact. The only fault you can level is that there was contact with the head and he did come a long way to make the hit.

 

If sabres fans want to be pissed about something with john scott it should be the fact that he can take a regular shift on this team and not seem out of place

[LaLaLaFontaine]

 

 

Do you say this because you perceive bias against Buffalo or because of the history between Buffalo and Boston?

 

Recall that Chara and Kronwall each play for a Most Favored Team and cannot be suspended for a hit like this.

 

First line : No.

 

Second line : Absolutely yes. If you are a star player/ "goon" on one of these teams you get away with murder. See Chara when he nearly killed this Montreal guy ( i don't remember the name) before their stanley cup run, or Lucic banging a whole franchise into concussion period for over 2 years now. Look on the 10 game suspension for Kaleta, no injury on the victim, his hit was not even a part as violent as other 5 game suspensions hit with long time concussions as outcome.

 

I am from Germany i do not know why Buffalo is hated so much, but these bias rulings are ridiculous. ( I hope you get what i want to write)

 

Maybe McCormick can play more than one game before being suspended for whatever he will do.

 

 

[Nitro60]

3 or 5. No more.

[wjag]

I'll go with somewhere between 0-3

[deluca67]

Just like Zack Kassian?

 

Compared to Scott's skill level Zach Kassian is freaking Sidney Crosby.

 

Anyone remember when this would have been reported as "...Ericksson was admiring his pass at centre ice when John Scott caught him with a thunderous check. He may need a few games to clear the cobwebs."

 

The game has changed.

The "game" has changed or is it the understanding of how serious brain injuries are?

 

Driving home today I heard the best take on this by a caller on WGR. The game has changed and again the Sabres are woefully behind. Goons like Scott are outdated and without any value. Today's toughness is represented by those that can play a regular shift and contribute. Players that can win battles along the boards and the corners. Players like Scott have no place in NHL.

 

I really take issue with how much scorn Scott is getting for this hit. If Malkin made that hit on Gerbe he'd maybe get suspended 1 or 2 games, probably not. But because John Scott, a borderline 4th line nuclear deterrent, drove his shoulder into a shorter players head he's all of the sudden the worst guy ever. It was a predatory hit, for sure, but Scott wasn't targeting his head.

 

As for the argument of whether or not John Scott is an NHLer, I say that he is. Scott plays simple and uses his frame to win board battles, but he needs linemates who will grind it out with him and skate to loose pucks. Porter and Kaleta are ideal linemates for Scott. Speedy and gritty. Rolston is neutralizing Scott and Grigorenko's usefulness as hockey players by putting them on the same line.

Some comic relief is always welcome.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Isn't an in person automatically a 5 minimum?

[Eleven]

Boy, oh boy. Scott as a serviceable 4th liner.

 

I just can't get there. Simply put: IMO, he does not possess the skating skills, stick-handling skills, or on-ice vision to play at an NHL level with any level of consistency. He just doesn't. There are a dozen, if not dozens of, guys out there who should be rostered in place of Scott if the analysis is limited to "serviceable 4th liner". I realize that's not the entirety of the analysis. I just think it should be.

 

You are correct.

 

I've said this before: this team was constructed to beat up on the Bruins. It is one of DR's numerous failures.

 

I think Scott is funny as hell, and probably, from what I see, a great teammate. A regular fourth-liner? No.

[North Buffalo]

Isn't an in person automatically a 5 minimum?

It can be or it can be reduced depending on the what is decided, but I think that is the starting point.

 

Link to NHL discussion of this issue: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=688358&navid=nhl:topheads

[Eleven]

Isn't an in person automatically a 5 minimum?

 

No.

 

In fact, for Penguins, Red Wings, Bruins, Rangers, and Leaves, and sometimes Sens (they're like the Y with respect to vowels) there are cocktails and hors d'oeuvres.

[qwksndmonster]

Some comic relief is always welcome.

I am in the vast minority on this. My perception of what makes a serviceable 4th liner could be a bit off from only being a Sabres fan for around ~3 years. Our 4th line was good maybe when it was gaustad gerbe kaleta? Or was that our third line? :sick:

[Campy]

When a goon steps on the ice with the intent to injure you there isn't much you can do. John Scott injuring another player was inevitable. It will happen again unless the league or the Sabres remove him from the ice.

And how, exactly, do you know his intent? It seems a once entertaining poster with whom I would frequently disagree has gone full-blown a-hole.

 

Lay off the crusade dude. It's old.

[darksabre]

And how, exactly, do you know his intent? It seems a once entertaining poster with whom I would frequently disagree has gone full-blown a-hole.

 

Lay off the crusade dude. It's old.

 

Careful he'll ask Zack Kassian to...ah screw it, it's gone from funny to sad.

[Campy]

I dunno, reading through this thread I wonder how many of you guys ever actually played organized hockey. Scott should get 5 games. But holy cow, "Keep your head up and on a swivel - don't let them take the body on you!" Has that not been said by every freakin' coach you've ever had?

[Andrew Amerk]

After the Lucic incident, so many Sabres fans cried and whined, wishing we had a John Scott.

 

Now that we do, half the fans are crying for him to NOT be on the team?

 

I have also noticed a huge difference in responses to the hit. Friends of mine who play hockey seem to see nothing wrong with the hit. Those who don't play seem to think the hit was dirty. Most are not Sabres fans.

[deluca67]

And how, exactly, do you know his intent? It seems a once entertaining poster with whom I would frequently disagree has gone full-blown a-hole.

 

Lay off the crusade dude. It's old.

 

For one, it's the only reason John Scott is on the roster. Second, you don't take a run at a players head like he did accidentally. Luckily for Eriksson, John Scott is so void any talent and technique that he wasn't able to do more damage to Eriksson.

 

Careful he'll ask Zack Kassian to...ah screw it, it's gone from funny to sad.

 

A thing I have learned from this board over the years that posters that need to resort to name calling do so because they have nothing else to bring to the conversation.

After the Lucic incident, so many Sabres fans cried and whined, wishing we had a John Scott.

 

Now that we do, half the fans are crying for him to NOT be on the team?

 

I have also noticed a huge difference in responses to the hit. Friends of mine who play hockey seem to see nothing wrong with the hit. Those who don't play seem to think the hit was dirty. Most are not Sabres fans.

 

Could you please explain to me how fans wanting more toughness and grit in the top six forwards equates to wanting a John Scott?

[shrader]

I dunno, reading through this thread I wonder how many of you guys ever actually played organized hockey. Scott should get 5 games. But holy cow, "Keep your head up and on a swivel - don't let them take the body on you!" Has that not been said by every freakin' coach you've ever had?

 

It doesn't matter one bit the way hockey used to be. The NHL has made it clear that they will police these unsuspecting blind side hits. Yes, they used to be the kind of hit many players dreamed of throwing, but those days are done. There is no place in this league anymore for this kind of hit. Like it or not, but that's the way it is.

[kishoph]

Do you say this because you perceive bias against Buffalo or because of the history between Buffalo and Boston?

 

Recall that Chara and Kronwall each play for a Most Favored Team and cannot be suspended for a hit like this.

 

Look at the hit from Chara in last nights game against the Sharks, in the Scott hit, people complained it was late, then look at the hit from Chara which came much later than the Scott hit, other differences are Scott delivered the hit with his body, it appears that Chara delivered a crosscheck to the head, but the main difference is that Scott was thrown from the game and will be suspended and Mike Milbury is calling for him to be tossed from the league, while Chara didn't even receive a penalty. No double standards in the NHL.

 

http://prohockeytalk...-with-high-hit/

[SwampD]

For one, it's the only reason John Scott is on the roster. Second, you don't take a run at a players head like he did accidentally. Luckily for Eriksson, John Scott is so void any talent and technique that he wasn't able to do more damage to Eriksson.

 

 

 

A thing I have learned from this board over the years that posters that need to resort to name calling do so because they have nothing else to bring to the conversation.

 

Could you please explain to me how fans wanting more toughness and grit in the top six forwards equates to wanting a John Scott?

Neil's hit on Drury was later and more of a direct headshot than Scott's hit, yet you were clamoring for us to get him. I think you even said it was something like the most important move we could make in that off-season, or something like that. I view your opinion on this matter the same way I view Milbury's, I find them hilarious.

[Taro T]

Neil's hit on Drury was later and more of a direct headshot than Scott's hit, yet you were clamoring for us to get him. I think you even said it was something like the most important move we could make in that off-season, or something like that. I view your opinion on this matter the same way I view Milbury's, I find them hilarious.

Neil's hit on Drury was very similar. Chris should have been suspended, John should and will be suspended.

 

The problem is still that the league is extremely subjective in its enforcement standards and until Charo kills someone he will never be suspended.

[That Aud Smell]

I've said this before: this team was constructed to beat up on the Bruins. It is one of DR's numerous failures.

 

Interesting take. Of course, the team's not entirely constructed that way, but, for sure, the focus has been on getting rougher and tumblier.

 

In fact, for Penguins, Red Wings, Bruins, Rangers, and Leaves, and

sometimes Sens (they're like the Y with respect to vowels) there are cocktails and hors d'oeuvres.

 

The worse the team gets, the better your posts get.

 

After the Lucic incident, so many Sabres fans cried and whined, wishing we had a John Scott.

 

Wait - what?

 

Could you please explain to me how fans wanting more toughness and grit in the top six forwards equates to wanting a John Scott?

 

My thoughts exactly. I just wanted every motherfunkster on the ice of go ka-rayzah and dogpile on Lucic when he did that. Everyone in. Everyone on. And then send out a scrappy line of middleweights to drop 'em the next shift.

 

I most decidedly did not want them to sign John Scott, funny and intelligent as he is.

[darksabre]

 

 

For one, it's the only reason John Scott is on the roster. Second, you don't take a run at a players head like he did accidentally. Luckily for Eriksson, John Scott is so void any talent and technique that he wasn't able to do more damage to Eriksson.

 

 

 

A thing I have learned from this board over the years that posters that need to resort to name calling do so because they have nothing else to bring to the conversation.

 

Could you please explain to me how fans wanting more toughness and grit in the top six forwards equates to wanting a John Scott?

 

Zack Kassian is a thug.

[LastPommerFan]

Branden Bollig

Kevin Westgarth

Shawn Thornton

Ben Eager

Eric Goddard

Aaron Downey

George Parros

Jesse Boulerice

 

Of the Above mentioned Stanley cup winners, only Thronton has a lick of hockey talent.There is nothing wrong with having John Scott under contract. He is not what is holding the team back.