inkman Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 The photo shows Scott's elbow resting against Ericksson's chin. I hope Shanahan has a copy of this photo for the Oct 31st hearing. I don't care if they give him 50 games as long as it doesn't prevent Cody McCormick doing a Bobby Orr like horizontal to the ice flying cross check to Marchand's face.
SwampD Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 The photo shows Scott's elbow resting against Ericksson's chin. I hope Shanahan has a copy of this photo for the Oct 31st hearing. Bwaahaahaahaahahahaha. Um, :blink: No, I was right the first time,…BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You gotta just stop. He's not even being charged with an elbow. That hit was a lot of things, but it wasn't late and it wasn't an elbow. It may have been a charge, but the only reason he is suspended is it was a hit to the head.
deluca67 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 Bwaahaahaahaahahahaha. Um, :blink: No, I was right the first time,…BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You gotta just stop. He's not even being charged with an elbow. That hit was a lot of things, but it wasn't late and it wasn't an elbow. It may have been a charge, but the only reason he is suspended is it was a hit to the head. So I guess the picture was photo shopped? It is pretty clear.
SwampD Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 So I guess the picture was photo shopped? It is pretty clear. See the gold just below his chin. That's Scott's number that is just below his shoulder. See also his glove down low? If that's an elbow to the head then Scott must have the shortest humerus and the longest forearms on the planet. It is pretty clear.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 So I guess the picture was photo shopped? It is pretty clear. The picture is a poor representation of the hit, largely because it depicts the follow through, not the initial contact. To play off what Swamp said, of that picture was representative of the hit, why wouldn't the NHL be charging him with an elbow for supplemental discipline?
deluca67 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 See the gold just below his chin. That's Scott's number that is just below his shoulder. See also his glove down low? If that's an elbow to the head then Scott must have the shortest humerus and the longest forearms on the planet. It is pretty clear. And if you look at Scott's right arm it appears he has a baby arm. :lol: The photos in sequence show contract and follow through.
SwampD Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 And if you look at Scott's right arm it appears he has a baby arm. :lol: The photos in sequence show contract and follow through. It wasn't an elbow. You are blinded by your hate for Scott. That's fine. There are many reasons to not like him on this team. That hit isn't one of them.
inkman Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 It wasn't an elbow. You are blinded by your hate for Scott. That's fine. There are many reasons to not like him on this team. That hit isn't one of them. I wish it was an elbow. ###### the ###### Bruins. We need to injure about half a dozen players to even this crap up. Bring me flying elbows.
Stoner Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 45.1 Elbowing - Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.
Darryl Shannon's +/- Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 Throwing the book at Scott and suspending him 5,10,15 or 20 games won't solve the underlying problem. Guys in his role don't really matter for player safety as for the most part, they aren't on the ice enough or fast enough to do any real harm. The bigger problem is Shanahan not punishing great players for the same types of dangerous plays. Chara's hit on Wingels in the corner is the best example of that. If Scott's hit was late, Chara's was laughable. It was high, and it was unnecessary. Failure to punish him makes him play the same type of game, but he's on the ice 30 minutes a night and will impact player safety 100x more than all the John Scott's of the world. Another similar example was the Duncan Keith stickwork in last year's playoffs. I don't care if he was slashed, the second you use your stick as a weapon on someone's head, real punishments should be handed down.
bunomatic Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 Throwing the book at Scott and suspending him 5,10,15 or 20 games won't solve the underlying problem. Guys in his role don't really matter for player safety as for the most part, they aren't on the ice enough or fast enough to do any real harm. The bigger problem is Shanahan not punishing great players for the same types of dangerous plays. Chara's hit on Wingels in the corner is the best example of that. If Scott's hit was late, Chara's was laughable. It was high, and it was unnecessary. Failure to punish him makes him play the same type of game, but he's on the ice 30 minutes a night and will impact player safety 100x more than all the John Scott's of the world. Another similar example was the Duncan Keith stickwork in last year's playoffs. I don't care if he was slashed, the second you use your stick as a weapon on someone's head, real punishments should be handed down. Good post. Sums up what I've been thinking about this leagues lack of discipline to star players. Chara gets away with this shite on a daily basis and is considered a golden boy by the league and media.
spndnchz Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 We're arguing whether or not it was a shoulder or elbow? I was at that game and even full speed it was his shoulder that clips his head not an elbow. That Buffalo News pic is after the fact.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 We're arguing whether or not it was a shoulder or elbow? I was at that game and even full speed it was his shoulder that clips his head not an elbow. That Buffalo News pic is after the fact. Everybody except DeLuca knows this.
darksabre Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 Everybody except DeLuca knows this. He also knows Zack Kassian is talented and not dirty. So there's that.
JJFIVEOH Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 That's a loaded question because I don't think Scott's hit was intentional. But I think those hits would be all but eliminated if current rules were relaxed to allow these guys to play like they used to. Ask any former player and they will tell you the game has changed to the point where hits today are more dangerous, even though there were more hits back in the day. I wish I had transcripts of the Peter McNab interview I heard the other day when he addressed this exact discussion. What is your opinion about this? PA?
Stoner Posted October 27, 2013 Report Posted October 27, 2013 PA? I got nothing, sorry. It doesn't really make any sense to me. Yes, it's probably me.
Andrew Amerk Posted October 28, 2013 Report Posted October 28, 2013 We're arguing whether or not it was a shoulder or elbow? I was at that game and even full speed it was his shoulder that clips his head not an elbow. That Buffalo News pic is after the fact. And Bingo was his name-o
FolignosJock Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 I still maintain my position of this being a hockey play and not even worthy of a penalty. Keep your head up and this is all averted.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Posted October 29, 2013 I still maintain my position of this being a hockey play and not even worthy of a penalty. Keep your head up and this is all averted. Scott Stevens made his reputation on hits like the one Scott delivered, but this ain't 1996. Like it or not, in today's NHL it's a penalty as well as suspendable hit.
Eleven Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 Scott Stevens made his reputation on hits like the one Scott delivered, but this ain't 1996. Like it or not, in today's NHL it's a penalty as well as suspendable hit. So did Mike Peca, and yep.
SwampD Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 Scott Stevens made his reputation on hits like the one Scott delivered, but this ain't 1996. Like it or not, in today's NHL it's a penalty as well as suspendable hit. And we have more concussions today than ever. I guess they are going to have to put that red line back in.
FolignosJock Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 I would like to hear peoples opinion on the Dubinsky Koivu hit if they think the Scott hit was that bad. The only difference in the two is that Koivu picked his head up in time to see it coming and prepare a bit to get wallopped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTSsQ7UwnZ0
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 Great Read, hits the nail on the head (no pun intended): http://sabreshockeycentral.com/2013/10/25/the-nhl-the-national-hypocrisy-league/
bunomatic Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 Great Read, hits the nail on the head (no pun intended): http://sabreshockeyc...pocrisy-league/ Great article and spot on. Someone send this to the league offices.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 I would like to hear peoples opinion on the Dubinsky Koivu hit if they think the Scott hit was that bad. The only difference in the two is that Koivu picked his head up in time to see it coming and prepare a bit to get wallopped. The thing with Scott was 4-fold 1)It was in neutral ice towards the Bruins zone 2)Scott left his defensive responsibility and went across the entire rink to hit Eriksson from the periphery. That's a charge, and you almost never see hits like that. Head-on, sure. As the puck carrier is entering the offensive zone, sure. 3)Eriksson is an upper level player and Scott has zero offensive prowess. Eriksson has scored more goals in 37 seconds than Scott has in his career. 4)The national media went with it because of the brilliant foreshadowing pre-game. Like Milburry or not, he called it ahead of time, and on cue, Scott does something. If you watch enough hockey...that hit just "felt" wrong. People talk of Stevens and Peca....but Stevens would do that trending towards the defensive zone on an attacker most of the time. Peca had many neutral zone hits, but they were usually head on and within the natural flow of the play. Scott just peels off his man...goes cross ice at a 20 degree angle....and goes up to the head. All this makes it worse. I didn't think Kaleta deserved a big penalty for his actions. Scott just looked like a pure goon headhunter. It wasn't a hockey play. It started with a charge. After trying to get Kessel, now this....I've about lost all respect for the guy.
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