shrader Posted October 17, 2013 Report Posted October 17, 2013 One issue I have with this trade is that I don't trust DR to make any decisions for this franchise, especially a major one like this. And I thought Bucky's column was a load of self-serving crapola. "I know it seems like I don't have any sources inside the Sabres organization -- that's because I don't trust them." Please. The timing of this one really confused me. Didn't he just walk away from his hockey column last week? If is hearing these rumblings, shouldn't he have passed it along to Vogl (thi is who took his place, right?)?
LGR4GM Posted October 17, 2013 Report Posted October 17, 2013 We will likely be picking in the top three. That's trading away a possible first overall pick PLUS Ryan Miller. I would be okay with something like Miller, Myers, Ennis or Miller, Myers, McNabb and a 2nd. But I wouldn't do Miller and our first rounder. Yakupov isn't worth a top five pick. Unless you come out of the gates absolutely tearing it up like some guys (Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, etc.) then your value immediately drops. Yakupov isn't worth a top five pick right now. I wouldn't do Miller and a first either. I would do our 1st straight up (Edmonton wouldn't) but that is a different story. That being said if you told me I can chose Reinhart or Yakupov right now I lean towards Reinhart (think he fits the hard to play mold)
Iron Crotch Posted October 17, 2013 Report Posted October 17, 2013 I wouldn't do Miller and a first either. I would do our 1st straight up (Edmonton wouldn't) but that is a different story. That being said if you told me I can chose Reinhart or Yakupov right now I lean towards Reinhart (think he fits the hard to play mold) We need guys who are hard... gay porn hard. :)
Hoss Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 So Ryan Miller is too pissed to comment tonight... The rumors are flying. This is fun... In the worst way possible.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 So Ryan Miller is too pissed to comment tonight... The rumors are flying. This is fun... In the worst way possible. Maybe Miller gets PO'd enough to drop his limited NMC of 8 teams.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Maybe Miller gets PO'd enough to drop his limited NMC of 8 teams. Yea, I mean if the team keeps playing like this (and why wouldn't they, given the roster?) then I guess I don't understand why Miller would block a trade, unless he really wants to stay (let's face it, players don't get traded then return as UFAs).
Huckleberry Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 People forget about one thing in the trade proposals i see. Edmonton is close to cap limit in proffesional contracts, they have 49 right now. So any move would be us taking on more then just Yakupov. I'd say Yakupov + Dubnyk (or labarbera) + 1st for Miller and Myers(might be another defenseman, just hope its not Pysik). Probably also the reason they are keeping Zadarov around stil. Hell I'd do it if they give up a 2nd round pick instead to, or whatever Contract they want rid of to give them some more room.
calti Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 someone stop darcy before the sabres become the bills
Huckleberry Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Also Vanek to flyers for Couturier and a 1st in 2015.
Stoner Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 someone stop terry before the sabres become the bills Fixed.
Ross Rhea Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I don't think i'm at all comfortable letting Darcy make any more moves. Just wish TP and TB had the same feelings. The bigger mess Darcy makes, the longer it will take a new GM to clean up.
LGR4GM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 People forget about one thing in the trade proposals i see. Edmonton is close to cap limit in proffesional contracts, they have 49 right now. So any move would be us taking on more then just Yakupov. I'd say Yakupov + Dubnyk (or labarbera) + 1st for Miller and Myers(might be another defenseman, just hope its not Pysik). Probably also the reason they are keeping Zadarov around stil. Hell I'd do it if they give up a 2nd round pick instead to, or whatever Contract they want rid of to give them some more room. 1) PysYk 2) Zadorov is still up because he is still "injured" and due to other injuries they can keep him on the Roster. His finger has not quite fully healed. I'd guess we could see him for 5 games or so before he is RIGHTFULLY sent back to London to develop. Dear god they better send him away from this mess. Fixed. it is starting to feel like TP is channeling RW a little.
beerme1 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I don't think i'm at all comfortable letting Darcy make any more moves. Just wish TP and TB had the same feelings. The bigger mess Darcy makes, the longer it will take a new GM to clean up. This just sums it all up. Darcy should not be allowed to do anything more of consequence as he should not be here to decide what our team should be like going forward.
Brawndo Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 People forget about one thing in the trade proposals i see. Edmonton is close to cap limit in proffesional contracts, they have 49 right now. So any move would be us taking on more then just Yakupov. I'd say Yakupov + Dubnyk (or labarbera) + 1st for Miller and Myers(might be another defenseman, just hope its not Pysik). Probably also the reason they are keeping Zadarov around stil. Hell I'd do it if they give up a 2nd round pick instead to, or whatever Contract they want rid of to give them some more room. I would love that trade, but there is no way The Oilers give up Yakupov and a 1st rounder for Miller and a D-Man unless Miller agrees to an extension.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I know the trade isn't happening, so this is purely hypothetical, but I do mean it seriously: How many times do the Sabres have to be shut out or score only 1 goal before people are willing to give Edmonton the pick of the litter in exchange for Yakupov? Or even more generally, any team in return for an elite offensive prospect?
That Aud Smell Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I know the trade isn't happening, so this is purely hypothetical, but I do mean it seriously: How many times do the Sabres have to be shut out or score only 1 goal before people are willing to give Edmonton the pick of the litter in exchange for Yakupov? Or even more generally, any team in return for an elite offensive prospect? Criminy. Outside of Vanek, we have no player or prospect in the organization who fits that description. I mean, we don't - do we?
LGR4GM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I know the trade isn't happening, so this is purely hypothetical, but I do mean it seriously: How many times do the Sabres have to be shut out or score only 1 goal before people are willing to give Edmonton the pick of the litter in exchange for Yakupov? Or even more generally, any team in return for an elite offensive prospect? I'd give the pick of the litter so to speak to a team that wasn't peddling me Yakupov. Yakupov has risks and so to me his value is lesser than other players.
Stoner Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Aud, no. And with the return of a small market mindset to the Sabres after a brief hiatus, we're not going to see any, I suspect.
nfreeman Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Criminy. Outside of Vanek, we have no player or prospect in the organization who fits that description. I mean, we don't - do we? TBPHD can certainly speak for himself, but perhaps he is referring to the Sabres' first-round pick in 2014, which is looking like a pretty high pick. Aud, no. And with the return of a small market mindset to the Sabres after a brief hiatus, we're not going to see any, I suspect. This seems like a return to one of your favored tactics -- putting forth a theory repeatedly and then referring to it as fact. So I'll return to one of my faves: nonsense. I don't see how in the world anyone can think there is a return to a small market mindset. They have spent a ton of money on facilities, equipment, scouts, coaching staff, etc., AND they are close to the cap despite having an atrocious team. Incompetent GMing and coaching ain't the same as a small market mindset. And neither is raising ticket prices in order to qualify for revenue sharing -- it's just an economically rational decision.
TrueBlueGED Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Criminy. Outside of Vanek, we have no player or prospect in the organization who fits that description. I mean, we don't - do we? TBPHD can certainly speak for himself, but perhaps he is referring to the Sabres' first-round pick in 2014, which is looking like a pretty high pick. I worded it very poorly (going back, if I didn't write it, I'd have no idea what I meant :lol: ). What I'm getting at is that people seem very hesitant to trade Pysyk, or Zadorov, or hell I'll even toss Risto into the mix. My question is, how many times does this team's complete dearth of high end offensive talent have to smack people in the face before it no longer matters which defenseman or defensive prospect we give up, so long as we're getting back somebody with elite offensive potential? You could clone Pysyk 30 times and combine those 30 Pysyks into 6 stud defenders, and this team would still blow because we have 1-2 forwards max who can generate some offense.
Huckleberry Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I know the trade isn't happening, so this is purely hypothetical, but I do mean it seriously: How many times do the Sabres have to be shut out or score only 1 goal before people are willing to give Edmonton the pick of the litter in exchange for Yakupov? Or even more generally, any team in return for an elite offensive prospect? Well seeing if anything happens it might be we have to throw in more , and take in alot of their crap seeing they are close to 50 contract limit with 49. That is also why it is rumoured to be a blockbuster. So, Yakupov + 1st round pick + Nick shultz + whatever crap they throw at us for Myers + miller + Ott + Weber. My reasoning here is, the Oilers want rid of schultz, who makes to much as 3rd pair D, I think they would want Ott to upgrade their bottom six, he would be crucial for them in this trade, but also part of the reason we are getting a first rounder. The other part is we have to take on some of their crap contracts cause of they being so close to the limit. Edit: I'd give them enroth instead of miller for this one to.
LGR4GM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Does anyone else realize Edmonton has MORE capspace than Buffalo?
shrader Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Does anyone else realize Edmonton has MORE capspace than Buffalo? The two figures are essentially the same. The point though is that they don't have enough to take on either Vanek and/or Miller without dumping some in return.
LGR4GM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 The two figures are essentially the same. The point though is that they don't have enough to take on either Vanek and/or Miller without dumping some in return. Of course they do. We just need to retain some salary from Miller. Say 25% or even half.
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