BuffaloBorn Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 I don't think Grigorenko has been as bad as ppl may think, he's on pace to 17pts to the season He's young And I agree he needs more experience but if it can't be the AHL level let it be the NHL level and let him learn.... He's been on mostly the fourth lines and sitting in the box a lot. I like foligno-grigorenko-leino, I think that was one of their practice lines
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 I don't think Grigorenko has been as bad as ppl may think, he's on pace to 17pts to the season He's young And I agree he needs more experience but if it can't be the AHL level let it be the NHL level and let him learn.... He's been on mostly the fourth lines and sitting in the box a lot. I like foligno-grigorenko-leino, I think that was one of their practice lines IMO, Nolan should have stayed with the Grigs-McCormick-Tropp line instead of sitting Grigs in favor of Scott. They actually looked pretty good together for a couple of games. Scott was de-fanged any way coming off of his suspension and with the league watching him so closely.
Derrico Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 I don't have the exact stats but maybe 50% of all draftees (especially the first round) come from the CHL? It's not in the NHL's best interest to start deciding on who can and can't go back. These are great feeder leagues and a guy like Grigorenko is not going to change the rules. The troubling thing is if he's so good in junior and he's well beyond his years there then why is he such a dud right now in the NHL? Either A) he plays in the Q which is vastly inferior overall to the OHL and WHL IMO or he's not a great overall player in the Q and just puts up a bunch of points (I haven't had a chance to see him play for the Ramparts). I don't understand why the Sabres arn't just sending this kid back. If they were letting him play through his mistakes up here then that's one thing but he's been a healthy scratch 5 of the last 7 games and all 3 with Nolan as the coach. Get him back there right now. I don't care if Quebec has two overagers, either trade one, trade Grig or release your rights!!
Gramps Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 great post. you may be right on the whole and, (nfree)man, you are definitely right about his skating. atrocious. Paging Sergei Fedorov ... Grigs need a skating instructor.
kishoph Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 The NHL is most likely denied the assignment since he wasn't coming back from an injury. Thanks, makes sense. http://forums.sabres..._hl__grigorenko Thanks, didn't see that thread earlier.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Paging Sergei Fedorov ... Grigs need a skating instructor. Forget Sergei. The Sabres have a blond hottie as a skating instructor. I think it may be chz. Check out the yearbook link posted by 26CB. Page 22 a few bods to the right of Dr. Evil. If I were Grigei I'd volunteer to do extra skating drills and then volunteer for more .........
josie Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Forget Sergei. The Sabres have a blond hottie as a skating instructor. I think it may be chz. Check out the yearbook link posted by 26CB. Page 22 a few bods to the right of Dr. Evil. If I were Grigei I'd volunteer to do extra skating drills and then volunteer for more ......... Maybe that's the problem. Hard to skate with your stick between your legs.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Maybe that's the problem. Hard to skate with your stick between your legs. :blush: You do know that I am just playing around, of course. Blond skating instructors are not my type, ask anybody around here ... ;)
BuffaloBorn Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 IMO, Nolan should have stayed with the Grigs-McCormick-Tropp line instead of sitting Grigs in favor of Scott. They actually looked pretty good together for a couple of games. Scott was de-fanged any way coming off of his suspension and with the league watching him so closely. that was a pretty effective line actually there was definitely some chemistry there, wouldn't mind seeing that reunited
josie Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 :blush: You do know that I am just playing around, of course. Blond skating instructors are not my type, ask anybody around here ... ;) haha oh dear. I've seen her on their show about the Sabres during the prospects pregame camp or whatever- it's usually on after a game when I'm too lazy to turn the channel. If I remember right Ms. Braid is rather mom-esque, especially in attitude. Which hey, y'all might be into!
LTS Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 IMO, Nolan should have stayed with the Grigs-McCormick-Tropp line instead of sitting Grigs in favor of Scott. They actually looked pretty good together for a couple of games. Scott was de-fanged any way coming off of his suspension and with the league watching him so closely. Nolan mentioned something about wanting to know if Scott could be a hockey player. I'm not surprised if they put him in just to see how much of a hockey player he can be. If he's nothing more than fists then I don't expect he'll be here very long or in the lineup very long. When there are no vets left to put in the lineup the kids have to play right?
hockeyhound Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 If nothing else, trying to send Grigs to the AHL, legal or not may help the lockeroom. It hasn't been elaborated on, but after hearing Mike Weber talk about how young players should have to go to the AHL and earn their way to the NHL, it made me think that some of the players were a little annoyed by the fact that so many young players were given an opportunity at the NHL level without having to grind it out in the AHL first. Now that the Sabres are aware ;) , that Grigs can not go to the AHL, it may help ease the tension in the room knowing that at least there was an effort made to clean house. I have to say, wow, this whole situation is one colossal cluster f***, I mean of epic proportions; all because Major disappointment was leading the way. I'm Glad the Major was dismissed.
darksabre Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 So now that we've seen Grigorenko at the World Juniors, what do we think his trajectory is? Where does he play next season? I still believe he has the scoring talent, but I think he has a lot of maturing to do physically and mentally. Can he stay in the Q? Or can he come to Rochester next season? I think he's two seasons out from a real crack at the NHL again either way.
Weave Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 He's eligible for Roc next year, no? I assume he'll get time there and have to earn his way up. Unfortunately until then he'll watch from the press box or see 5 minutes a game with lousy wingers.
Grinder Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 He's eligible for Roc next year, no? I assume he'll get time there and have to earn his way up. Unfortunately until then he'll watch from the press box or see 5 minutes a game with lousy wingers. How many centers on the Sabres are playing with wingers that aren't lousy?
krt88 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 No he's not a but yet, but his lack of work ethic is a serious concern, and that was the word about him at the draft. Listening to the TSN guy talk about him today during the WJC semifinal and it clear he doesn't play with desire, and he doesn't want to play the whole 200 feet. The problem starts in 5 days as we have to make a decision as to where he goes. He doesn't want to go back to juniors and Nolan isn't going to play this guy. I think the Sabres brass is going to need to work out a European loan. However, if that happens he may not want to come back. I get the feeling this is a silver spoon type player.
3putt Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 I did not see all of the games, so he may have earned his awards in those. In those that I did see, I did not think he was their #1 center, nor was he the type of player opposing teams game plan for. He is either unusually slow or a far worse skater than originally thought. I feel he is a few years away from being productive at the NHL level which raises the concern of him becoming disheartened and wanting to go to the K. I can see the flashes that made scouts take notice, but his desire is questionable.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 The coaches voted Grigorenko as one of Russia's three best players for the tournament. For all the concern about how coaches at every level have questioned his competitiveness, this should be encouraging...yet it hasn't made a dent in perception.
Robviously Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 The coaches voted Grigorenko as one of Russia's three best players for the tournament. For all the concern about how coaches at every level have questioned his competitiveness, this should be encouraging...yet it hasn't made a dent in perception. 1. Sample size. 2. Best player and intensity still aren't really the same thing. His WJC stands out as a positive but also reminds me how few of those we've had with him since June 2012.
sicknfla Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 What totally amazes me is any hockey guy can tell if a guy can skate or not. How do the scouts overlook that. He didn't get picked high because everyone knew he couldn't skate and had a ###### work ethic. Should we be surprised we are discussing him as a bust?
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 He's eligible for Roc next year, no? I assume he'll get time there and have to earn his way up. Unfortunately until then he'll watch from the press box or see 5 minutes a game with lousy wingers. I think he could thrive under teddy given the new line arrangements.
Robviously Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 He's eligible for Roc next year, no? I assume he'll get time there and have to earn his way up. Unfortunately until then he'll watch from the press box or see 5 minutes a game with lousy wingers. If it's up to me, he plays all of next year in Rochester. Give him 20+ minutes per game and play him in all situations.
darksabre Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 If it's up to me, he plays all of next year in Rochester. Give him 20+ minutes per game and play him in all situations. This. He needs to develop. If ever there was a player that needed to be given time, it's Grigorenko.
Robviously Posted January 5, 2014 Report Posted January 5, 2014 This. He needs to develop. If ever there was a player that needed to be given time, it's Grigorenko. I think it'll also give him a chance to be a leader. He's not going to develop that ability playing 6 minutes a night on the 4th line in the NHL. And if he goes down and doesn't do something with that opportunity, at least we'll know that he's not someone to build around.
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