Miller.......what if?

[nfreeman]

That would be the conventional wisdom. problem is that conventional wisdom has gotten this franchise nowhere. If there are assets to be gained by moving Miller and this team is where they have been in recent years than they have to deal Miller. I don't care if it costs them a perceived chance at 7th or 8th place.

 

Well, I think there has been a ton of accumulated bad decisions that has resulted in the current state of the franchise, and most of these did not involve the issue of whether to trade Player X at the deadline. (Except, of course, the worst 5 decisions since the lockout.)

 

The Kings were an very talented underachieving 8th seed. A far different scenario than the Sabres find themselves in going into this season.

 

Re-signing Miller should be out of the question at this point. It would set the re-build back not converting Miller into future assets.

I agree again. This is weird agreeing all the time. Miller should be traded. He is not the goaltender we are looking for. It sucks because I really like him but I think his era and chance here at Buffalo has passed.

 

You are both making it sound like there will be a fat package coming back for Miller. That ain't happening.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

If the team is in contention and Miller is going great he has no reason not to re sign.

The only way Darcy can justify Miller and Vanek here and unsigned after the deadline is with a Stanley Cup.

And he should be fired if he takes that risk.

Since when is anything a given in pro sports? Perhaps he simply wants a change of scenery.

[LGR4GM]

Well, I think there has been a ton of accumulated bad decisions that has resulted in the current state of the franchise, and most of these did not involve the issue of whether to trade Player X at the deadline. (Except, of course, the worst 5 decisions since the lockout.)

 

 

 

 

You are both making it sound like there will be a fat package coming back for Miller. That ain't happening.

I have yet to post anything related to Miller's possible worth in a trade outside of a talk about first round picks in the 2013 draft. I have no way of assessing his value now or before the deadline because there is not a benchmark for him to be compared to.

[deluca67]

Well, I think there has been a ton of accumulated bad decisions that has resulted in the current state of the franchise, and most of these did not involve the issue of whether to trade Player X at the deadline. (Except, of course, the worst 5 decisions since the lockout.)

 

 

 

 

You are both making it sound like there will be a fat package coming back for Miller. That ain't happening.

Not at all. I've already stated that ship has sailed. That doesn't mean Miller is without value and a reasonable return shouldn't be expected especially if Miller is part of a bigger deal.

[LGR4GM]

Check out Ryan's mask!!! it is great!

 

Ryan Miller ‏@RyanMiller3039 3m

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[Andrew Amerk]

Check out Ryan's mask!!! it is great!

 

Ryan Miller ‏@RyanMiller3039 3m

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It says Noureen on one horn...What does it say on the other?

[sicknfla]

 

 

It says Noureen on one horn...What does it say on the other?

 

FOR SALE

[Lanny]

 

 

It says Noureen on one horn...What does it say on the other?

puck

[Koomkie]

As someone who has never met you but still feels entitled to predict your thoughts and feelings, I will say this: If the Sabres are sitting in the #7 slot on the day before the deadline, in the middle of a dogfight with 3 other teams for the last 2 playoff spots, with Miller having a huge year and Enroth crapping the bed in most of his starts, you will go crazy insane if DR trades Miller to Pittsburgh for their 2nd-rounder.

i predict miller to pittsburgh.

[Lorenzo Von Matterhorn]

@BuffNewsVogl17m

Patrick Kaleta is not going to play for the Sabres tonight. Not on IR. Something is up.

@BuffNewsVogl7m

Sabres' Patrick Kaleta did not take part in optional morning skate (beyond rare), is not in building. Suspension done, won't play tonight

‏@JoshRimerHockey5m

Patrick Kaleta is eligible to return tonight from a 10 Gm Susp, but apparently will not dress. Agent Anton Thun says that's news to him.

This is weird and I only bring this up because I've heard in the last 24 hours Sabres & Flyers have had major discussions involving Miller possible PK on the move as well? Also we still need to make a move to activate Tropp something's up

[Hoss]

 

@BuffNewsVogl17m

Patrick Kaleta is not going to play for the Sabres tonight. Not on IR. Something is up.

 

@BuffNewsVogl7m

Sabres' Patrick Kaleta did not take part in optional morning skate (beyond rare), is not in building. Suspension done, won't play tonight

 

‏@JoshRimerHockey5m

Patrick Kaleta is eligible to return tonight from a 10 Gm Susp, but apparently will not dress. Agent Anton Thun says that's news to him.

 

This is weird and I only bring this up because I've heard in the last 24 hours Sabres & Flyers have had major discussions involving Miller possible PK on the move as well? Also we still need to make a move to activate Tropp something's up

 

When a roster spot needs to be cleared and a move is coming, it's not at the goalie position. Because you have two goalie spots and will always have two goalie spots.

(We now know what the move was, I'm just saying this for future reference).

 

Also, there has been no legitimate reports on those talks so... Making your own stuff up or?

[Andrew Amerk]

puck

 

Oh.

 

Somehow, I read it as "pack, Noureen"

[nfreeman]

So I'm resurrecting this thread due to (i) a shift in tone among some posters here to a position in favor of keeping Miller and (Ii) Lundqvist's contract extension, which gives some further insight as to what it will cost to re-sign Miller.

 

Lundy's contract was a 7-year extension that ends after the 2020-2021 season. Lundy will turn 39 in March of that season -- i.e. a couple of months before the end of that season.

 

Miller was born in July 1980 -- so he'll be 39 in July 2019. If we were interested in giving Miller an extension, I would want it to end after the 2018-2019 season, when he will be 38 (and a few months away from 39). That would be a 5-year extension.

 

Lundy got $8.5MM per year x 7 years. I would guess that for the Sabres to keep him, they will need to give him not much less than what Lundy got. I think he would accept a 5-year deal based on his age relative to Lundy's, but the salary will need to be in Lundy's ballpark.

 

So: $7.65MM per year x 5 years? The $7.65MM is based on Lundy's number, less 10%.

 

I think TP would give it to Miller in a heartbeat -- especially after he brings home a gold medal and another MVP from Sochi -- but I have no idea what PLF and his new GM think.

 

I would give it to him too.

 

And before you say you wouldn't, just remember: that most likely means you're getting a 2nd-rounder at the deadline for him and moving on to Enroth and Hackett.

[darksabre]

So I'm resurrecting this thread due to (i) a shift in tone among some posters here to a position in favor of keeping Miller and (Ii) Lundqvist's contract extension, which gives some further insight as to what it will cost to re-sign Miller.

 

Lundy's contract was a 7-year extension that ends after the 2020-2021 season. Lundy will turn 39 in March of that season -- i.e. a couple of months before the end of that season.

 

Miller was born in July 1980 -- so he'll be 39 in July 2019. If we were interested in giving Miller an extension, I would want it to end after the 2018-2019 season, when he will be 38. That would be a 5-year extension.

 

Lundy got $8.5MM per year x 7 years. I would guess that for the Sabres to keep him, they will need to give him not much less than what Lundy got. I think he would accept a 5-year deal based on his age relative to Lundy's, but the salary will need to be in Lundy's ballpark.

 

So: $7.65MM per year x 5 years? The $7.65MM is based on Lundy's number, less 10%.

 

I think TP would give it to Miller in a heartbeat -- especially after he brings home a gold medal and another MVP from Sochi -- but I have no idea what PLF and his new GM think.

 

I would give it to him too.

 

Lock the goalie up. I don't want to be Edmonton.

[ubkev]

So I'm resurrecting this thread due to (i) a shift in tone among some posters here to a position in favor of keeping Miller and (Ii) Lundqvist's contract extension, which gives some further insight as to what it will cost to re-sign Miller.

 

Lundy's contract was a 7-year extension that ends after the 2020-2021 season. Lundy will turn 39 in March of that season -- i.e. a couple of months before the end of that season.

 

Miller was born in July 1980 -- so he'll be 39 in July 2019. If we were interested in giving Miller an extension, I would want it to end after the 2018-2019 season, when he will be 38 (and a few months away from 39). That would be a 5-year extension.

 

Lundy got $8.5MM per year x 7 years. I would guess that for the Sabres to keep him, they will need to give him not much less than what Lundy got. I think he would accept a 5-year deal based on his age relative to Lundy's, but the salary will need to be in Lundy's ballpark.

 

So: $7.65MM per year x 5 years? The $7.65MM is based on Lundy's number, less 10%.

 

I think TP would give it to Miller in a heartbeat -- especially after he brings home a gold medal and another MVP from Sochi -- but I have no idea what PLF and his new GM think.

 

I would give it to him too.

 

And before you say you wouldn't, just remember: that most likely means you're getting a 2nd-rounder at the deadline for him and moving on to Enroth and Hackett.

 

I like this line of thinking. Good post.

 

I want to keep Miller very badly. That said, if I'm Miller and you tell me 10% less than what Hank got; I tell you to go ###### yourself. Then you say on 5% less than what Hank got, I say "Hey, go piss in your hat!" "I'll take the same contract for 6 years." You might be able to get it down to 5 years but I don't think he'll take less than 2% of what Hank got. Especially after he brings back gold from Russia.

 

Go USA!!!!!!!!

[JJFIVEOH]

So far Miller has had two great years. Not coincidentally, they've both been Olympic years. He's been average at best in off years. This year should be proof that his off years haven't been because of the team in front of him. This team couldn't possibly be any worse than the teams he's had in front of him in the past. I think Miller has been great this year and so has his attitude. It's a real shame he'll be back to his normal self once it's over.

 

If the right trade comes along, pull the trigger.

[Eleven]

So far Miller has had two great years. Not coincidentally, they've both been Olympic years. He's been average at best in off years. This year should be proof that his off years haven't been because of the team in front of him. This team couldn't possibly be any worse than the teams he's had in front of him in the past. I think Miller has been great this year and so has his attitude. It's a real shame he'll be back to his normal self once it's over.

 

If the right trade comes along, pull the trigger.

 

It needs to be the right trade. The Sabs should be negotiating a HUGE contract with him right now (there's no realistic limit to cap room once 21 and 23 are gone) with the alternative being a trade that yields very nice near-term (that means players and prospects, not picks) dividends.

[LaLaLaFontaine]

What many forget is, that Miller is one of the most constant goalies in the NHL. He is a very good goalie with some elite seasons.

 

If we can we should keep him. 5 years are better than 7 but his demands will be Lundquist like. We need to give him that, because he will suffer in Buffalo until we turn the cart around.

 

Enroth is a good backup goalie but i fear he is not number one material. But maybe i am wrong on this.

 

Miller is a gaolie who can keep us in a game, every game. He can not win them, but he gives us a chance to.

 

That said: We should trade him for an excellence offer, for less only when he won't resign with us, before trade deadline.

 

If we can keep him, it will be easier to resign Ott and also Moulson.

[Eleven]

What many forget is, that Miller is one of the most constant goalies in the NHL. He is a very good goalie with some elite seasons.

 

If we can we should keep him. 5 years are better than 7 but his demands will be Lundquist like. We need to give him that, because he will suffer in Buffalo until we turn the cart around.

 

Enroth is a good backup goalie but i fear he is not number one material. But maybe i am wrong on this.

 

Miller is a gaolie who can keep us in a game, every game. He can not win them, but he gives us a chance to.

 

That said: We should trade him for an excellence offer, for less only when he won't resign with us, before trade deadline.

 

If we can keep him, it will be easier to resign Ott and also Moulson.

 

A lot of people--even some people who have talked with him--think he does not want to be here anymore. So it's got to be a beauty of an offer. Which I'm ok with, as long as the team then makes the move to trade Enroth for prospects or one skater (again no more freaking picks).

[sicknfla]

I think he is gone. Right now he is in total showcase mode. Both for the Oympics and his future bidders. He is going to be the perfect teammate and be on his best behavior.

 

I say get what we can for him. If this team is going to be a serious cup contender in 3-4 years it is not likely you would want your goalie to be 35-36 years old. Then you are facing the prospect of having a great team with an aging goaltender. I would take my chances that between now and 3-4 years I can find a way to have us in a better GT situation than with Miller at that time.

 

For instance use one of the expected late first rounders we will get via trade and draft a goalie. Now you have your goalie that you can look to 3 years down the road. If Miller is resigned I still do this. Signing Miller IMO would be more for cap floor reasons than anything else.

 

 

[Hoss]

Good post. I am still in the trade Miller camp solely because I don't see him wanting to stick around. If he wants to stay there's no doubt in my mind they'd give him the money and term he wants. I still also have my doubts about him when the Olympics aren't coming up. I do think that's a legitimate thing to wonder.

 

This was about Freeman's thread revival.

 

 

 

A lot of people--even some people who have talked with him--think he does not want to be here anymore. So it's got to be a beauty of an offer. Which I'm ok with, as long as the team then makes the move to trade Enroth for prospects or one skater (again no more freaking picks).

 

Picks are player eggs that haven't been hatched yet.

 

I'd rather get a pick in many situations because teams don't trade prospects they don't have serious doubts about. Not for expiring contracts or aging goaltenders.

[Eleven]

Good post. I am still in the trade Miller camp solely because I don't see him wanting to stick around. If he wants to stay there's no doubt in my mind they'd give him the money and term he wants. I still also have my doubts about him when the Olympics aren't coming up. I do think that's a legitimate thing to wonder.

 

This was about Freeman's thread revival.

 

 

 

Picks are player eggs that haven't been hatched yet.

 

I'd rather get a pick in many situations because teams don't trade prospects they don't have serious doubts about. Not for expiring contracts or aging goaltenders.

 

I don't care what analogy anyone uses. I'm sick of draft picks on a team that needs skaters. I don't want the Sabs stockpiling picks until I'm 70.

 

Now, I do realize that few teams are "a goalie away" from contention, unless there's an injury. So re-sign Miller and trade Enroth.

[Hoss]

I don't care what analogy anyone uses. I'm sick of draft picks on a team that needs skaters. I don't want the Sabs stockpiling picks until I'm 70.

 

Now, I do realize that few teams are "a goalie away" from contention, unless there's an injury. So re-sign Miller and trade Enroth.

 

Trading Enroth might net the Sabres a 5th rounder. Or some other team's version of Riley Boychuk. He doesn't really have any value.

 

I do agree that stockpiling picks is a bit redundant at this point, but I'd also rather have a pick then any mid-level prospect that was draft 2/3 years ago because those guys rarely pan out.

 

I think the team can get at least a first rounder or a solid prospect for Miller, more than just the second rounder Freeman thinks we'd get for him. Even though that is the comparable from a past trade or two at the deadline. If Miller has a great Olympics and carries Team USA to silver/gold then his trade value will go way up.

[HopefulFuture]

So I'm resurrecting this thread due to (i) a shift in tone among some posters here to a position in favor of keeping Miller and (Ii) Lundqvist's contract extension, which gives some further insight as to what it will cost to re-sign Miller.

 

Lundy's contract was a 7-year extension that ends after the 2020-2021 season. Lundy will turn 39 in March of that season -- i.e. a couple of months before the end of that season.

 

Miller was born in July 1980 -- so he'll be 39 in July 2019. If we were interested in giving Miller an extension, I would want it to end after the 2018-2019 season, when he will be 38 (and a few months away from 39). That would be a 5-year extension.

 

Lundy got $8.5MM per year x 7 years. I would guess that for the Sabres to keep him, they will need to give him not much less than what Lundy got. I think he would accept a 5-year deal based on his age relative to Lundy's, but the salary will need to be in Lundy's ballpark.

 

So: $7.65MM per year x 5 years? The $7.65MM is based on Lundy's number, less 10%.

 

I think TP would give it to Miller in a heartbeat -- especially after he brings home a gold medal and another MVP from Sochi -- but I have no idea what PLF and his new GM think.

 

I would give it to him too.

 

And before you say you wouldn't, just remember: that most likely means you're getting a 2nd-rounder at the deadline for him and moving on to Enroth and Hackett.

 

You trade him at the deadline. Expensive goal tending doesn't win you championships. Goalies for a cheaper price have however.

You utilize the money freed up on the front end for elite talent. Putting the puck in the net wins you championships, especially clutch scorers, go get us our clutch scorers Patty!

 

Good post. I am still in the trade Miller camp solely because I don't see him wanting to stick around. If he wants to stay there's no doubt in my mind they'd give him the money and term he wants. I still also have my doubts about him when the Olympics aren't coming up. I do think that's a legitimate thing to wonder.

 

This was about Freeman's thread revival.

 

 

 

Picks are player eggs that haven't been hatched yet.

 

I'd rather get a pick in many situations because teams don't trade prospects they don't have serious doubts about. Not for expiring contracts or aging goaltenders.

 

Agreed!

[wjag]

Miller stays.. End of discussion.