Miller.......what if?

[sicknfla]

Just throwing it out there to get your opinions. Come trade deadline and Miller is having an awesome year. We are doing better than expected and are in good position for a playoff berth. Indications are he is not willing to sign.

 

Do we trade him?

[MattPie]

Just throwing it out there to get your opinions. Come trade deadline and Miller is having an awesome year. We are doing better than expected and are in good position for a playoff berth. Indications are he is not willing to sign.

 

Do we trade him?

 

If he's sure to not sign, yes.

[LGR4GM]

If Miller has not signed an extension by the trade deadline you trade him.

[dudacek]

If the team is in contention and Miller is going great he has no reason not to re sign.

The only way Darcy can justify Miller and Vanek here and unsigned after the deadline is with a Stanley Cup.

And he should be fired if he takes that risk.

[sicknfla]

If the team is in contention and Miller is going great he has no reason not to re sign.

The only way Darcy can justify Miller and Vanek here and unsigned after the deadline is with a Stanley Cup.I

And he should be fired if he takes that risk.

 

I tend to think the better he is doing the less likely he is to sign. Why not explore all your options when you are about to sign, most likely, your last contract. I think he has already made that decision.

[stenbaro]

I tend to think the better he is doing the less likely he is to sign. Why not explore all your options when you are about to sign, most likely, your last contract. I think he has already made that decision.

 

I think alot of people are believing he will get some stupid contract when free agency arrives.....I dont think he gets anywhere near what alot of people think he is going to get thrown at him....I would be surprised if he gets anywhere near what he made this last contract...

[sicknfla]

 

 

I think alot of people are believing he will get some stupid contract when free agency arrives.....I dont think he gets anywhere near what alot of people think he is going to get thrown at him....I would be surprised if he gets anywhere near what he made this last contract...

 

Who knows. The cap will be going through the roof. I just think he will want the chance to see what's out there. Financially and opportunity wise. Unfortunately, we are going to have over 6 months to discuss it.

[Kristian]

Just throwing it out there to get your opinions. Come trade deadline and Miller is having an awesome year. We are doing better than expected and are in good position for a playoff berth. Indications are he is not willing to sign.

 

Do we trade him?

 

Yes.

 

This team is rebuilding, they can't afford to let star players walk for nothing anymore.

[beerme1]

The only way Darcy can justify Miller and Vanek here and unsigned after the deadline is with a Stanley Cup.

And he should be fired if he takes that risk.

 

You would think. Not here though.

[Two or less]

Just throwing it out there to get your opinions. Come trade deadline and Miller is having an awesome year. We are doing better than expected and are in good position for a playoff berth. Indications are he is not willing to sign.

 

Do we trade him?

 

If he's not traded early in the season then no we won't trade him at the deadline. Teams don't trade for #1 goalies at the deadline. When's the last time someone (a contender) traded for a starting goalie mid-to-late into the season?

[sicknfla]

 

 

If he's not traded early in the season then no we won't trade him at the deadline. Teams don't trade for #1 goalies at the deadline. When's the last time someone (a contender) traded for a starting goalie mid-to-late into the season?

 

More likely to get traded due to an injury. Not every year a goalie of Miller's ability is available at the deadline - so history could be thrown out the window.

[nfreeman]

It depends on what the return is. I don't think there would be a Pommer-type package coming back for Miller -- he's older than Pommer, he's a pending UFA, and he plays a less coveted position. So if the trade return is, say, a #2 pick from a good team (so a pick that will be late in the 2nd round) -- I would not trade him in that scenario.

[Robviously]

Just throwing it out there to get your opinions. Come trade deadline and Miller is having an awesome year. We are doing better than expected and are in good position for a playoff berth. Indications are he is not willing to sign.

 

Do we trade him?

Yep.

[deluca67]

It depends on what the return is. I don't think there would be a Pommer-type package coming back for Miller -- he's older than Pommer, he's a pending UFA, and he plays a less coveted position. So if the trade return is, say, a #2 pick from a good team (so a pick that will be late in the 2nd round) -- I would not trade him in that scenario.

Wouldn't letting him walk for nothing be worse than only getting a late 2nd rounder?

 

The Sabres missed the boat for getting max value for Miller. They need to get what they can for Miller and move on.

[nfreeman]

Wouldn't letting him walk for nothing be worse than only getting a late 2nd rounder?

 

The Sabres missed the boat for getting max value for Miller. They need to get what they can for Miller and move on.

 

Well, I think missing the playoffs and having an extra late 2nd rounder would be worse than making the playoffs and not having an extra late 2nd rounder.

[TrueBlueGED]

Well, I think missing the playoffs and having an extra late 2nd rounder would be worse than making the playoffs and not having an extra late 2nd rounder.

 

Just to play a little devil's advocate, having an extra 2nd rounder helped us get Girgensons (who most people, including you, expect to be a major part of the team going forward to contender status) rather than whoever we would have gotten without the trade up.

[Paul Kruse]

They should trade him right now. He's a bum.

[deluca67]

Well, I think missing the playoffs and having an extra late 2nd rounder would be worse than making the playoffs and not having an extra late 2nd rounder.

Hanging around 8th-10th and possibly sneaking in to the playoffs, IMO, is the same cycle of mediocrity this franchise has been trapped in.

 

It's bout the future of the franchise. A 33 year old Ryan Miller doesn't fit that future.

[nfreeman]

Just to play a little devil's advocate, having an extra 2nd rounder helped us get Girgensons (who most people, including you, expect to be a major part of the team going forward to contender status) rather than whoever we would have gotten without the trade up.

 

Fair enough, but let's be clear on the facts -- the Sabres traded the 12th pick in the 2nd round to move up 7 slots in the 1st round -- from 21st to 14th, where they chose Girgy. That's an earlier 2nd-round pick than the one they'd hypothetically be getting from a playoff contender at the deadline, and they had to include their own 1st-rounder in the deal. So it's not like we're talking Miller straight up for a Girgy-like prospect. If we were, I'd probably be on board with that.

 

Hanging around 8th-10th and possibly sneaking in to the playoffs, IMO, is the same cycle of mediocrity this franchise has been trapped in.

 

It's bout the future of the franchise. A 33 year old Ryan Miller doesn't fit that future.

 

Perhaps getting into the playoffs, even at the cost of a late 2nd-rounder, is better for the future of the franchise than missing them for the 3rd year in a row -- at which point the cement boots of loserdom really start to harden around the franchise's feet.

[LGR4GM]

Hanging around 8th-10th and possibly sneaking in to the playoffs, IMO, is the same cycle of mediocrity this franchise has been trapped in.

 

It's bout the future of the franchise. A 33 year old Ryan Miller doesn't fit that future.

Agreed. We should trade him and then let the chips fall where they may. I think we can realistic expect to finish 12-16 worst this year. May make the playoffs or may tank, really hard to tell with this group because there are so many variables.

[nfreeman]

Agreed. We should trade him and then let the chips fall where they may. I think we can realistic expect to finish 12-16 worst this year. May make the playoffs or may tank, really hard to tell with this group because there are so many variables.

 

As someone who has never met you but still feels entitled to predict your thoughts and feelings, I will say this: If the Sabres are sitting in the #7 slot on the day before the deadline, in the middle of a dogfight with 3 other teams for the last 2 playoff spots, with Miller having a huge year and Enroth crapping the bed in most of his starts, you will go crazy insane if DR trades Miller to Pittsburgh for their 2nd-rounder.

[deluca67]

As someone who has never met you but still feels entitled to predict your thoughts and feelings, I will say this: If the Sabres are sitting in the #7 slot on the day before the deadline, in the middle of a dogfight with 3 other teams for the last 2 playoff spots, with Miller having a huge year and Enroth crapping the bed in most of his starts, you will go crazy insane if DR trades Miller to Pittsburgh for their 2nd-rounder.

That would be the conventional wisdom. problem is that conventional wisdom has gotten this franchise nowhere. If there are assets to be gained by moving Miller and this team is where they have been in recent years than they have to deal Miller. I don't care if it costs them a perceived chance at 7th or 8th place.

[LGR4GM]

As someone who has never met you but still feels entitled to predict your thoughts and feelings, I will say this: If the Sabres are sitting in the #7 slot on the day before the deadline, in the middle of a dogfight with 3 other teams for the last 2 playoff spots, with Miller having a huge year and Enroth crapping the bed in most of his starts, you will go crazy insane if DR trades Miller to Pittsburgh for their 2nd-rounder.

That is a very specific scenario but if Miller has not resigned by the deadline you need to trade him. 8th place has won the cup 1 time. Trade Miller.

[deluca67]

That is a very specific scenario but if Miller has not resigned by the deadline you need to trade him. 8th place has won the cup 1 time. Trade Miller.

The Kings were an very talented underachieving 8th seed. A far different scenario than the Sabres find themselves in going into this season.

 

Re-signing Miller should be out of the question at this point. It would set the re-build back not converting Miller into future assets.

[LGR4GM]

The Kings were an very talented underachieving 8th seed. A far different scenario than the Sabres find themselves in going into this season.

 

Re-signing Miller should be out of the question at this point. It would set the re-build back not converting Miller into future assets.

I agree again. This is weird agreeing all the time. Miller should be traded. He is not the goaltender we are looking for. It sucks because I really like him but I think his era and chance here at Buffalo has passed.