nobody Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Do you have a current list? I thought they were at least 5 or 6 away from the 50 contract limit, even after all the RFA's are accounted for. Maybe I have lost count. I think your number is more accurate - taking into account the UFAs and the couple of RFAs they didn't offer contracts to.
Ross Rhea Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 watch him hook on with another team and be a perennial 25 goal guy. that would be funny. that said it was just time for him to go.
spndnchz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I think your number is more accurate - taking into account the UFAs and the couple of RFAs they didn't offer contracts to. I've got 35 under contract, 11 to be signed/offered QO.
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Are people seriously trying to make this move a negative thing?
... Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Yup. I'm not very confident in my golf game. It has nothing to do with my confidence, but rather, I'm not good at golf and no number of pats on the back will change that. You're so old-skool. And mean. This makes you mean. In all seriousness, I would be a little surprised if Gerbe's comments were actually intended to be shots at the organization. He seemed/seems like a good little soldier who is/was not willing to upset the apple cart.
IKnowPhysics Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Are people seriously trying to make this move a negative thing? In like five different ways. I was hoping he'd get some time to recover and develop (I think he has untapped potential), but I'm not being a weiner about it. He's likable, but this team's change in direction can't stop for anybody, even Vanek, if that's how it goes.
.55. Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Ok lol why would you not want Tropp? I have been salivating over having Foligno Ott and Tropp in the same lineup since the day they traded for Ott. I don't know why someone would be averse to Tropp in the lineup. He's got the hands to be a good glue guy on a scoring line, but he plays a hard nosed game and can back it up with a strong left. He's a lot more effective at keeping guys like honest (as honest as a rat can be) than someone like John Scott, and I like John Scott. Gerbe's an example of how injuries can limit one's effectiveness, but I think Tropp's knee is less of a worry than Gerbe's back.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I don't know why someone would be averse to Tropp in the lineup. He's got the hands to be a good glue guy on a scoring line, but he plays a hard nosed game and can back it up with a strong left. He's a lot more effective at keeping guys like honest (as honest as a rat can be) than someone like John Scott, and I like John Scott. Gerbe's an example of how injuries can limit one's effectiveness, but I think Tropp's knee is less of a worry than Gerbe's back. Excellent points. Welcome to TAC BTW. Just curious whether your name is in honor of Hecht, WGR550, obeying the speed limit, or something else?
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 Are people seriously trying to make this move a negative thing? I haven't seen anyone in this thread suggest that, from a personnel standpoint, it was a bad idea to waive Gerbe. There are details surrounding the transaction that are being probed, but I don't think anyone really truly wanted to see him on the roster next year. In like five different ways. Say whazza now? I don't know why someone would be averse to Tropp in the lineup. He's got the hands to be a good glue guy on a scoring line, but he plays a hard nosed game and can back it up with a strong left. He's a lot more effective at keeping guys like honest (as honest as a rat can be) than someone like John Scott, and I like John Scott. Gerbe's an example of how injuries can limit one's effectiveness, but I think Tropp's knee is less of a worry than Gerbe's back.
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I haven't seen anyone in this thread suggest that, from a personnel standpoint, it was a bad idea to waive Gerbe. There are details surrounding the transaction that are being probed, but I don't think anyone really truly wanted to see him on the roster next year. So looking a gift horse in the mouth? We got what we wanted. Discussing the means is silly.
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 So looking a gift horse in the mouth? We got what we wanted. Discussing the means is silly. C'mon, man. Here's what I wanna know: Why woud DR have used a compliance buyout on this penny ante contract? Shouldn't he have held onto his CBO's in the event, for example, the team decides it does want to buy out a healthy Leino or maybe Stafford and then needs another CBO in order to take on a bad contract from another team (in order to complete a trade)?
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 C'mon, man. Here's what I wanna know: Why woud DR have used a compliance buyout on this penny ante contract? Shouldn't he have held onto his CBO's in the event, for example, the team decides it does want to buy out a healthy Leino or maybe Stafford and then needs another CBO in order to take on a bad contract from another team (in order to complete a trade)? Has it even been confirmed to be a CBO? I don't think I ever saw an answer to that question.
hockeyhound Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 name='That[/color] Aud Smell' timestamp='1372871027' post='494338']Fair deuce. I also see that the calculation of a cap hit for an RBO can yield a negative number, in which case the team doing the buy out is entitled to a salary cap credit?! From the CBA: For a League Year during the term of the original SPC that was bought out, the included amount is the original Averaged Amount of the SPC for that League Year, reduced by the amount of the Buy-Out "savings" for that League Year (with "Buy-Out savings" defined as the actual amount of Player Salary and Bonuses that was to be paid under the SPC for such League Year minus the amount of Player Salary that is to be paid under the Buy-Out agreement). If the amount of Buy-Out "savings" in a League Year is more than the original Averaged Amount for such League Year, then the amount of such excess is included in the Averaged Club Salary for such League Year as a "credit." I just quickly glanced at this post; am I anywhere near the mark with this one? Wow, if an NHL team picks up Gerbe on a compliance buyout, the NHL team receives an immediate benefit in that their cap space is increased. Furthermore, the NHL team gets to extend the Gerbe experiment if they want. Maybe they would try to rehabilitate Gerbe's game by utilizing his talents differently. Martin St. Louis has managed to make it in the NHL for a good number of years despite his diminutive stature. I have always thought that Gerbe's game had to be altered if he was going to be effective. Should the Gerbe experiment succeed and Gerbe's production elevates to a satisfactory level then Darcy could have a little extra clout with that team in future dealings; however, if the experiment fails and Gerbe is sent to AHL hell for the remainder of his career then Darcy would probably loose some influence that he never had to begin with. Is this any different than a standard buyout or simply sending Gerbe to the AHL?
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 Has it even been confirmed to be a CBO? I don't think I ever saw an answer to that question. that is the way it's been reported to this point -- for example http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/7/3/4490462/nathan-gerbe-buyout-sabres-free-agency-2013 I just quickly glanced at this post; am I anywhere near the mark with this one? Is this any different than a standard buyout or simply sending Gerbe to the AHL? 2 kinds of buy outs exist, regular and compliance. but before you can buy out a player (provided the player doesn't have a no-movement clause), you must first place that player on waivers. you can buy out the player once he clears waivers. i infer that there are specified kinds of waiver wires at this point -- waivers intended to assign a player elsewhere, waivers intended to allow for a buyout. in theory, i suppose a team out there could claim gerbe in order to realize the cap-benefit i theorized (but am not sure exists). but in order to achieve that benefit, the acquiring team would need to buy out gerbe (i.e., terminate him). i'm not sure the league would allow for that sort of thing -- claim a guy off waivers so that you can buy him out in order to realize a cap benefit.
Eleven Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 C'mon, man. Here's what I wanna know: Why woud DR have used a compliance buyout on this penny ante contract? Shouldn't he have held onto his CBO's in the event, for example, the team decides it does want to buy out a healthy Leino or maybe Stafford and then needs another CBO in order to take on a bad contract from another team (in order to complete a trade)? That's where I'm at.
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 that is the way it's been reported to this point -- for example http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/7/3/4490462/nathan-gerbe-buyout-sabres-free-agency-2013 2 kinds of buy outs exist, regular and compliance. but before you can buy out a player (provided the player doesn't have a no-movement clause), you must first place that player on waivers. you can buy out the player once he clears waivers. i infer that there are specified kinds of waiver wires at this point -- waivers intended to assign a player elsewhere, waivers intended to allow for a buyout. in theory, i suppose a team out there could claim gerbe in order to realize the cap-benefit i theorized (but am not sure exists). but in order to achieve that benefit, the acquiring team would need to buy out gerbe (i.e., terminate him). i'm not sure the league would allow for that sort of thing -- claim a guy off waivers so that you can buy him out in order to realize a cap benefit. That's not even reporting that's just some guy making up what kind of buyout it is. So we don't even know if Darcy has wasted CBO? As far as the rest I don't know. But it seems to me that this is a move to take Gerbe off the roster and nothing more. They have no plan for him with the org so let him find a job somewhere else. Harmless.
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 That's not even reporting that's just some guy making up what kind of buyout it is. So we don't even know if Darcy has wasted CBO? it's being "reported" by several "outlets" that this was a compliance buy-out. another example, fwiw: https://twitter.com/nhlupdate/status/352518272081604610 not sure who dude is, but someone told him it was a CNO. moreover, capgeek is treating it as a CBO on its site. that's usually a pretty reliable source. i also note that the CBO waiver deadline for this offseason was today at noon (at least i think it was) -- thus, gerbe's inclusion on that waiver list seems to square with its being a CBO (?). maybe DR will say differently when he breaks his silence tomorrow. there are others in the twittersphere who are saying they're not so sure it's a compliance buyout. anyway, the reason for the interest: from a financial management standpoint, a compliance buyout of a contract carrying a $1.45M cap hit with 1 year left on it makes no sense.
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Right. That's why assuming that it is a compliance buyout despite no confirmation seems presumptuous.
... Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I would suggest waiting for official word before getting riled up.
TrueBlueGED Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Right. That's why assuming that it is a compliance buyout despite no confirmation seems presumptuous. It's no worse than having an attitude of "how cares how he's gone as long as he's gone". Maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the method used, but to say the method doesn't matter is insane.
TheMatrix31 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I suppose it IS way past time for me to change my avatar.
... Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 It's no worse than having an attitude of "how cares how he's gone as long as he's gone". Maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the method used, but to say the method doesn't matter is insane. I contend that with the Sabres it, indeed, does not matter.
darksabre Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 It's no worse than having an attitude of "how cares how he's gone as long as he's gone". Maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions about the method used, but to say the method doesn't matter is insane. Why do we care what manner was used to remove a waste of a roster spot? It's not like anyone would be mad if it was Stafford instead of Gerbe.
.55. Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Excellent points. Welcome to TAC BTW. Just curious whether your name is in honor of Hecht, WGR550, obeying the speed limit, or something else? Thanks! I liked Jochen's possession game more than most, I'm a fan of obeying the speed limit ($0 in tickets in 13 years on the road) but I haven't listened to 550 since the late 90s. For the most part I just thought 55 looked cool.
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