That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 What's the difference between the cap hit the team would've taken with an RBO and the $ they're saving through a CBO? I can't figure that one out. Also: Is this about Briere?
dudacek Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Harrington says this is a CBO....Waste of a move: @BNHarrington #Sabres Edge: Gerbe waived on apparent road to buyout http://bit.ly/16OIukp I predict Harrington posted without checking his facts. Shocking, I know. EDIT: He's citing TSN as his source. The tweets I see on TSN do not mention compliance.
IKnowPhysics Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Maybe Joe Sacco's health insurance forms included the disclosure of his crippling achondroplasiaphobia.
spndnchz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 As GODD notes, we're glossing over a major piece of this: Why the hell did Darcy say yesterday that he didn't expect there to be any buyouts? Did Gerbe make eyes at one of the Pegula girls in the interim? Sabres were trying to trade him first. You don't go telling the world you're going to put him on waivers and a team just picks him up for free.
IKnowPhysics Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 For people freaking out that they didn't let Gerbe know: Why? Who cares? Obviously it's impolite but I highly highly highly doubt it affects any future FAs. Because in some minds it perpetuates a childish narrative of defamation that they find entertaining.
spndnchz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I predict Harrington posted without checking his facts. Shocking, I know. I don't see anything wrong there.
TheFunPolice Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Darcy: I went to the store and bought the burgers, rolls, corn, and buns for the 4th of July! Wife: That's great honey! Thank you! How much did you spend? Darcy: Awww, not much.... It was only $50,000! Same type of move. Good move, waste of resources (CB) relative to the benefit obtained.
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 Sabres were trying to trade him first. You don't go telling the world you're going to put him on waivers and a team just picks him up for free. Fair deuce. I also see that the calculation of a cap hit for an RBO can yield a negative number, in which case the team doing the buy out is entitled to a salary cap credit?! From the CBA: For a League Year during the term of the original SPC that was bought out, the included amount is the original Averaged Amount of the SPC for that League Year, reduced by the amount of the Buy-Out "savings" for that League Year (with "Buy-Out savings" defined as the actual amount of Player Salary and Bonuses that was to be paid under the SPC for such League Year minus the amount of Player Salary that is to be paid under the Buy-Out agreement). If the amount of Buy-Out "savings" in a League Year is more than the original Averaged Amount for such League Year, then the amount of such excess is included in the Averaged Club Salary for such League Year as a "credit."
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I predict Harrington posted without checking his facts. Shocking, I know. EDIT: He's citing TSN as his source. The tweets I see on TSN do not mention compliance. Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 1h Buyout waivers: Gerbe (BUF) Colaiacovo (DET).
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Fair deuce. I also see that the calculation of a cap hit for an RBO can yield a negative number, in which case the team doing the buy out is entitled to a salary cap credit?! From the CBA: For a League Year during the term of the original SPC that was bought out, the included amount is the original Averaged Amount of the SPC for that League Year, reduced by the amount of the Buy-Out "savings" for that League Year (with "Buy-Out savings" defined as the actual amount of Player Salary and Bonuses that was to be paid under the SPC for such League Year minus the amount of Player Salary that is to be paid under the Buy-Out agreement). If the amount of Buy-Out "savings" in a League Year is more than the original Averaged Amount for such League Year, then the amount of such excess is included in the Averaged Club Salary for such League Year as a "credit." Once the Sabres found out there was no trade interest, they still could have given his agent and Gerbe a heads up as a courtesy. No harm in that.
nobody Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 As GODD notes, we're glossing over a major piece of this: Why the hell did Darcy say yesterday that he didn't expect there to be any buyouts? Did Gerbe make eyes at one of the Pegula girls in the interim? Hum? I believe Sabre is Gerbe's dog. Kells Pegula @KPegula 13h reunited with Sabre http://instagram.com/p/bSgFcxJdyq/
dudacek Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I don't see anything wrong there. Has it been confirmed this is a compliance buyout? If so, I will apologize to Harrington and turn my attack on Darcy. Compliance buyout simply does not make sense. Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 1h Buyout waivers: Gerbe (BUF) Colaiacovo (DET). Doesn't say compliance buyout.
Claude_Verret Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Because in some minds it perpetuates a childish narrative of defamation that they find entertaining. Yep. Confirmation bias.
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 Hum? I believe Sabre is Gerbe's dog. Kells Pegula @KPegula 13h reunited with Sabre http://instagram.com/p/bSgFcxJdyq/ I met Gerbe once at LaSalle dog run. Thought his dog's name was Cash. Same breed as that one, though.
Samson's Flow Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Fair deuce. I also see that the calculation of a cap hit for an RBO can yield a negative number, in which case the team doing the buy out is entitled to a salary cap credit?! From the CBA: For a League Year during the term of the original SPC that was bought out, the included amount is the original Averaged Amount of the SPC for that League Year, reduced by the amount of the Buy-Out "savings" for that League Year (with "Buy-Out savings" defined as the actual amount of Player Salary and Bonuses that was to be paid under the SPC for such League Year minus the amount of Player Salary that is to be paid under the Buy-Out agreement). If the amount of Buy-Out "savings" in a League Year is more than the original Averaged Amount for such League Year, then the amount of such excess is included in the Averaged Club Salary for such League Year as a "credit." Has it been confirmed this is a compliance buyout? If so, I will apologize to Harrington and turn my attack on Darcy. Compliance buyout simply does not make sense. Doesn't say compliance buyout. Given the post above from Aud Smell, it would make sense that it would be a RBO and not a CBO given that the Sabres would gain additional cap space due to the cap credit gained from the above calculation. This makes sense to me in that Pegula would be paying real cash for a cap benefit. No way Regier used a CBO on Nathan effin' Gerbe. Not even he is that stupid...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 Sabres were trying to trade him first. You don't go telling the world you're going to put him on waivers and a team just picks him up for free. No, you just tell Bob McKenzie ahead of time...just like they dropped their draft picks to him for his broadcast...in return for fluff pieces when the team needs it, like never asking about Cliff Benson's role on the team as he was the Financial Chairman of the charity used to procure little boys to be raped at PSU....and continues to run Buffalo youth charities with an interactive role to this day. Because in some minds it perpetuates a childish narrative of defamation that they find entertaining. OK Mr. Corsi.
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 As for the RBO/CBO debate: If the team anticipates no need to use the other CBO it has (or using 1 more at most), what is the harm in "squandering" one on Gerbe? What is the value of holding onto both of the CBO's?
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 I'd like to buy a vole. Classic!
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2013 Author Report Posted July 3, 2013 No, you just tell Bob McKenzie ahead of time...just like they dropped their draft picks to him for his broadcast...in return for fluff pieces when the team needs it, like never asking about Cliff Benson's role on the team as he was the Financial Chairman of the charity used to procure little boys to be raped at PSU....and continues to run Buffalo youth charities with an interactive role to this day. The "we were gonna trade the guy" scenario seems more plausible. :unsure:
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 While it's my opinion that Gerbe is not an NHL caliber player, it would have been nice to see him in Roch to show the prospects how to work every day to improve their game and how to bring every time they step on the ice.
Iron Crotch Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 So people want the team to score more and want the team to be bigger and more physical, then complain when we waive an undersized player who doesn't score? In 42 games last year, Gerbe had a whopping 10 points.
Claude_Verret Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 No, you just tell Bob McKenzie ahead of time...just like they dropped their draft picks to him for his broadcast...in return for fluff pieces when the team needs it, like never asking about Cliff Benson's role on the team as he was the Financial Chairman of the charity used to procure little boys to be raped at PSU....and continues to run Buffalo youth charities with an interactive role to this day. OK Mr. Corsi. Again, you're running too far with this. His agent saying "we had no warning" could mean they learned about this through the media OR (more likely IMO) they had no warning leading up to today that this could be an option and the Sabres did indeed contact Gerbe's agent to inform them of their intentions.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 As for the RBO/CBO debate: If the team anticipates no need to use the other CBO it has (or using 1 more at most), what is the harm in "squandering" one on Gerbe? What is the value of holding onto both of the CBO's? Hard to anticipate what the next season might bring, why not hold on to them with the Gerbe CBO cap savings yield being so low.
Samson's Flow Posted July 3, 2013 Report Posted July 3, 2013 As for the RBO/CBO debate: If the team anticipates no need to use the other CBO it has (or using 1 more at most), what is the harm in "squandering" one on Gerbe? What is the value of holding onto both of the CBO's? Nothing, theoretically. However, there are plenty of CBO targets on the current roster in the eyes of the fans that would incite venom in not using the percieved opportunity cost of CBO'ing larger contracts. There are still plenty of fans who hold the misunderstanding that we can CBO Leino...
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