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Vanek/Miller Poll  

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  1. 1. Will Vanek be traded? When?

    • He won't be traded, he will be resigned by the Sabres.
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    • He'll be traded before the first round of the 2013 draft ends.
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    • He'll be traded after the first round of the 2013 draft ends but before the beginning of the 2013-14 regular season.
      10
    • He'll be traded after the beginning of the 2013-14 season but before the 2014 trade deadline.
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    • His rights will be traded after the 2014 trade deadline OR he won't be traded at all before he turns UFA.
      12

  2. 2. Will Miller be traded? When?

    • He won't be traded, he will be resigned by the Sabres.
      13
    • He'll be traded before the first round of the 2013 draft ends.
      40
    • He'll be traded after the first round of the 2013 draft ends but before the beginning of the 2013-14 regular season.
      20
    • He'll be traded after the beginning of the 2013-14 season but before the 2014 trade deadline.
      23
    • His rights will be traded after the 2014 trade deadline OR he won't be traded at all before he turns UFA.
      12

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deluca67 All Star

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You're most likely correct, but letting valuable assets exit w/o any return should be the final straw. But of course the question will again be "What's he done wrong?"

Having valuable assets wanting to leave even though the Sabres could easily pay them what ever they wanted should be the final straw.

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I will be.

 

I will be, too. I think come the trade deadline, even if Regier has to accept a second round pick for either, he takes it. No way does he go into the off-season with either of those two being without a contract or still on the roster. The only caveat being that is what REGIER would do...we don't know what meddling is going on behind the scenes. If Pegula is stupid, he forces Regier to try and re-sign one of them regardless.

Hoss Hall of Famer

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I will be, too. I think come the trade deadline, even if Regier has to accept a second round pick for either, he takes it. No way does he go into the off-season with either of those two being without a contract or still on the roster. The only caveat is that that is what REGIER would do...we don't know what meddling is going on behind the scenes. If Pegula is stupid, he forces Regier to try and re-sign one of them regardless.

 

Well, I think he might be more likely to hang on to them if all he can get is a 2nd rounder. Make a "playoff run" with them. Then trade their rights for that later.

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Well, I think he might be more likely to hang on to them if all he can get is a 2nd rounder. Make a "playoff run" with them. Then trade their rights for that later.

 

I don't agree. I think Regier is capable of attempting to neuter the team via roster changes in order to get higher in the draft. I think that's one of the reasons for dealing Pominville and some other weird moves last season. He knew full well that without Pominville, the Sabres probably wouldn't make it. One reason to have kept Pominville would have been for a shot at the eight slot. He chose the former.

Hoss Hall of Famer

Hoss

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I don't agree. I think Regier is capable of attempting to neuter the team via roster changes in order to get higher in the draft. I think that's one of the reasons for dealing Pominville and some other weird moves last season. He knew full well that without Pominville, the Sabres probably wouldn't make it. One reason to have kept Pominville would have been for a shot at the eight slot. He chose the former.

 

I think it was pretty clear this team wasnt doing anything with or without Pominville. Just kind of wish we could've gotten a good deal for Miller and/or Vanek at the deadline so we could've been in the top five picks this year but whatever.

JJFIVEOH All Star

JJFIVEOH

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I don't agree. I think Regier is capable of attempting to neuter the team via roster changes in order to get higher in the draft. I think that's one of the reasons for dealing Pominville and some other weird moves last season. He knew full well that without Pominville, the Sabres probably wouldn't make it. One reason to have kept Pominville would have been for a shot at the eight slot. He chose the former.

 

Right, he's made many more deals to get something with his assets than he has let players go without getting anything. It amazes me that people still hold Drury and Briere against Regier even though he was on a leash. If people are going to trash Darcy, at least use some legitimate gripes. Your P-Ville example and also the Regehr trade are perfect examples. Darcy said we're rebuilding so he went and got something for those guys.

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Right, he's made many more deals to get something with his assets than he has let players go without getting anything. It amazes me that people still hold Drury and Briere against Regier even though he was on a leash. If people are going to trash Darcy, at least use some legitimate gripes. Your P-Ville example and also the Regehr trade are perfect examples. Darcy said we're rebuilding so he went and got something for those guys.

 

Actually, Darcy has refused to say we're rebuilding, because apparently the R word is the new F word. Retool, restock, he's said anything and everything except rebuild ;)

Huckleberry All Star

Huckleberry

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Well lets make new bold prediction.

At the end of season:

 

Miller and Vanek will sign an extension for 3 yrs after leading the new Kids to an 8th playoff spot.

Pommer wlll come back to buffalo after a dissapointing season in Minesota.

Derek Roy signs a 1 year deal.

 

:D

 

2015 we win stanley cup ;)

waldo Third Liner

waldo

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Well lets make new bold prediction.

At the end of season:

 

Miller and Vanek will sign an extension for 3 yrs after leading the new Kids to an 8th playoff spot.

Pommer wlll come back to buffalo after a dissapointing season in Minesota.

Derek Roy signs a 1 year deal.

 

:D

 

2015 we win stanley cup ;)

 

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Guest Sloth

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Not that this falls in the Vanek/Miller department, but I'm surprised the Kovalchuk "retirement" hasn't been discussed. I was shocked when it went down. And I've come to believe the Sabres are in a good retooling phase. Really starting to believe Miller and Vanek will be w/ Buffalo for the x number of years. New Jersey fans are rather mad. The Devils franchise is in worse shape than the Sabres. At least Buffalo fans have something to look forward to. New Jersey is stuck in a deer in headlights mode.

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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Not that this falls in the Vanek/Miller department, but I'm surprised the Kovalchuk "retirement" hasn't been discussed. I was shocked when it went down. And I've come to believe the Sabres are in a good retooling phase. Really starting to believe Miller and Vanek will be w/ Buffalo for the x number of years. New Jersey fans are rather mad. The Devils franchise is in worse shape than the Sabres. At least Buffalo fans have something to look forward to. New Jersey is stuck in a deer in headlights mode.

This is being discussed in the Around The NHL thread.

 

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment of the Devils compared to the Sabres.

Hoss Hall of Famer

Hoss

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This is being discussed in the Around The NHL thread.

 

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment of the Devils compared to the Sabres.

 

I disagree. I think we have a far better prospect pool. Right now, the Sabres are a better team. Take away Vanek and Miller? No. But that hasn't happened yet. But the Devils have very few strong prospects.

 

For what it's worth... http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

Miller, Vanek likely to start season with Sabres

 

Not surprising. Wait and see, per usual.

 

That headline is just a grab at views. Its contents say nothing that supports the claim. Nothing new to offer. We all know Darcy said that talks have been quiet, but nobody has said it's "likely" that they start the season here.

Guest Sloth

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This is being discussed in the Around The NHL thread.

 

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment of the Devils compared to the Sabres.

 

Really? The Devils do not have a 1st round pick next year. They have little to trade, key player(s) are on the verge of retirement and few prospects to be excited about. Yeah, they're in much better position than then Sabres. Buffalo had two 1st round picks last year and two this year. The Sabres prospect pool is looking rather good. In the 2014 draft, Buffalo has two 2nd round picks. If anything, the Sabres have a lot to look forward to. I'd elaborate, but it's too late in the night. Use common sense. The Devils are stuck in a much worse situation.

JJFIVEOH All Star

JJFIVEOH

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Actually, Darcy has refused to say we're rebuilding, because apparently the R word is the new F word. Retool, restock, he's said anything and everything except rebuild ;)

 

Regurgitate?

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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Really? The Devils do not have a 1st round pick next year. They have little to trade, key player(s) are on the verge of retirement and few prospects to be excited about. Yeah, they're in much better position than then Sabres. Buffalo had two 1st round picks last year and two this year. The Sabres prospect pool is looking rather good. In the 2014 draft, Buffalo has two 2nd round picks. If anything, the Sabres have a lot to look forward to. I'd elaborate, but it's too late in the night. Use common sense. The Devils are stuck in a much worse situation.

The Devils have a good team and a great GM. All the Sabres have is a lot of question marks and a piss poor GM. I'll take Lou Lamoriello without draft picks over Darcy Regier and as many draft picks as you want to give him.

Andrew Amerk First Liner

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The Devils have a good team and a great GM. All the Sabres have is a lot of question marks and a piss poor GM. I'll take Lou Lamoriello without draft picks over Darcy Regier and as many draft picks as you want to give him.

 

I second this.

 

I was saying something similar to a Devils fan that I'm friends with on the day Kovy left.

Huckleberry All Star

Huckleberry

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The Devils have a good team and a great GM. All the Sabres have is a lot of question marks and a piss poor GM. I'll take Lou Lamoriello without draft picks over Darcy Regier and as many draft picks as you want to give him.

 

I don't agree with this, If they would want vanek they would have to give up Larson or henrique, wich leaved them with gaping holes in other areas.

That trade won't happen cause they can't afford to lose any of their young guns. They simply have nothing to replace them with.

As good as a gm as you might be, A good gm doesn't get his team in that type of situation.

deluca67 All Star

deluca67

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I don't agree with this, If they would want vanek they would have to give up Larson or henrique, wich leaved them with gaping holes in other areas.

That trade won't happen cause they can't afford to lose any of their young guns. They simply have nothing to replace them with.

As good as a gm as you might be, A good gm doesn't get his team in that type of situation.

You are making the assumption that the Devils want Vanek. If they did, Regier has positioned the Sabres to a point where Vanek & Miller just doesn't carry that much value. Right now the Sabres are poised to get less for both then they did for Pominville simply because of the pending UFA status. If the Devils want Vanek they will get him without giving up Larson or Henrique.

 

The idea that the Devils don't have any prospects is just not true.

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The Devils have a good team and a great GM. All the Sabres have is a lot of question marks and a piss poor GM. I'll take Lou Lamoriello without draft picks over Darcy Regier and as many draft picks as you want to give him.

 

This!

thebandit27 Prospect

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In probably in the minority here, but if Pommers can fetch the value he did at last year's deadline, why should we expect less for either Miller or Vanek at that same time?

 

Sure, Pommers had another year on his deal, but these are clearly better players--either could easily be seen by multiple teams as the final piece needed for a cup run...and that's not factoring in the possibility of injuries to marquee players.

 

Just my 1 cent

Johnny DangerFace Second Liner

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The Devils have a good team and a great GM. All the Sabres have is a lot of question marks and a piss poor GM. I'll take Lou Lamoriello without draft picks over Darcy Regier and as many draft picks as you want to give him.

 

I'm sorry but no. We have a top 5 prospect pool in the league, they have arguably the worst in the league, easily bottom three. When looking at NHL rosters, we still have better young players. They have an empty prospect pool and one of the oldest NHL rosters in the league.

 

New Jersey is where we were a few years ago. They are in no man's land. Do you remember when we had an older roster, no prospects, always underachieved, but could still fight for a playoff spot, weren't rebuilding, etc? That is where they are at. They have a roster than can compete for a 7th or 8th seed, but they aren't going to win the Stanley cup. The NHL draft is as much of a crapshoot than anything, so having more draft picks actually does matter. We are years ahead in the rebuilding process than them. I just don't get how you can say their team's future is in better shape than us.

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