Place Your Bets! (Vanek, Miller trade edition)

[dudacek]

Just listening to Vancouver sportsradio where they had a sports business analyst on dissecting the Canucks failure to deal Luongo.

Quote: "Sometimes in real estate you've got to take the first real offer because it is usually the most motivated buyer."

 

We have no idea what is on the table right now for Miller, but I'm sure it's better than what it will be at the next deadline.

Darcy is playing with fire.

[qwksndmonster]

Just listening to Vancouver sportsradio where they had a sports business analyst on dissecting the Canucks failure to deal Luongo.

Quote: "Sometimes in real estate you've got to take the first real offer because it is usually the most motivated buyer."

 

We have no idea what is on the table right now for Miller, but I'm sure it's better than what it will be at the next deadline.

Darcy is playing with fire.

Much easier to move Miller at 1 year with 3.1 Mil on the books and an extension possibly in place.

 

That said, I have a curiosity. Would it possible to sign Vanek to an 8.5MM a year 4 year extension and trade him to a team while retaining between 3 and 4.25 mill of the extension? Can teams retain over two contracts?

[deluca67]

Pegula will not authorize a trade because he believes he can convince them both to stay. They both end the season as Sabres and their rights are traded for modest picks, right before July 1st, when it finally sinks in they are leaving.

I still doubt either go anywhere.

[inkman]

I still doubt either go anywhere.

They are getting traded or re-signed.

[JJFIVEOH]

Yeah, there is no way in hell Darcy is going to live through another Briere/Drury scenario. They might be here to start the season, but there's no way in hell they finish, unless they re-sign.

[deluca67]

They are getting traded or re-signed.

The market is drying up and there is zero incentive for either player to re-sign.

[Andrew Amerk]

 

The market is drying up and there is zero incentive for either player to re-sign.

 

Not to mention looney-bins like Thomas and Bryz looking for jobs for cheaper than Miller, pillar of health DiPietro, and Jose Can-You-Theodore.

[JJFIVEOH]

DiPietro isn't going to find a job, Theodore is coming off knee surgery and anybody who picks up Thomas or Bryz, wouldn't have been serious enough to consider Miller in the first place.

[Andrew Amerk]

DiPietro isn't going to find a job, Theodore is coming off knee surgery and anybody who picks up Thomas or Bryz, wouldn't have been serious enough to consider Miller in the first place.

 

With the way teams are throwing out 5mil/yr contracts today like candy, no one is gonna be able to afford Miller.

 

Teams that wouldn't be on his NMC list, anyways.

[JJFIVEOH]

With the way teams are throwing out 5mil/yr contracts today like candy, no one is gonna be able to afford Miller.

 

Teams that wouldn't be on his NMC list, anyways.

 

Sabres could always retain some of his salary, after all it's only one year. Plus, if Miller is serious about getting out of BFLO and Darcy is really having a hard time trading him, Miller might consider waiving his NMC clause because he knows he's not getting any younger.

 

Just saying, if a team is looking for a legitmate, somewhat consistent goaltender, they're not going to pick up Bryz or take a chance on a 39 year old that hasn't played in a year.

[Andrew Amerk]

 

 

Sabres could always retain some of his salary, after all it's only one year. Plus, if Miller is serious about getting out of BFLO and Darcy is really having a hard time trading him, Miller might consider waiving his NMC clause because he knows he's not getting any younger.

 

Just saying, if a team is looking for a legitmate, somewhat consistent goaltender, they're not going to pick up Bryz or take a chance on a 39 year old that hasn't played in a year.

 

I guess we could always be evil and hope devastating injury happens to someone's starter.

 

Being Buffalo, the more likely scenario is that we start Miller, and he suffers a bad injury.

[JJFIVEOH]

I guess we could always be evil and hope devastating injury happens to someone's starter.

 

Being Buffalo, the more likely scenario is that we start Miller, and he suffers a bad injury.

 

Like Emery's hip?

 

Your second sentence is even more of a reason to get rid of him before the season starts.

[Andrew Amerk]

 

 

Like Emery's hip?

 

Your second sentence is even more of a reason to get rid of him before the season starts.

 

Well...Vancouver, Kings, Bruins, and Hawks all just lost decent/good backups. One of their top guys goes down, it's scramble mode / pray DiPietro can last one week.

[JJFIVEOH]

Well...Vancouver, Kings, Bruins, and Hawks all just lost decent/good backups. One of their top guys goes down, it's scramble mode / pray DiPietro can last one week.

 

This is Markstrom's make or break year, he'll be given the bulk of the workload this year. Florida doesn't have a backup to take his place as starter if Markstrom doesn't make it. Only problem is, Tallon isn't going to give anybody up.

[TrueBlueGED]

Sabres could always retain some of his salary, after all it's only one year. Plus, if Miller is serious about getting out of BFLO and Darcy is really having a hard time trading him, Miller might consider waiving his NMC clause because he knows he's not getting any younger.

 

Just saying, if a team is looking for a legitmate, somewhat consistent goaltender, they're not going to pick up Bryz or take a chance on a 39 year old that hasn't played in a year.

 

I'd be inclined to agree, except Philly chose Emery (probably cap related, but still) and the Isles chose Nabokov. Both poor decisions, but whatever, they still happened. St. Louis and Edmonton seem like they might be the only viable trade options left. Maybe Tampa if we take back a bad contract? But yea, the suitors are rapidly disappearing.

[Andrew Amerk]

 

 

I'd be inclined to agree, except Philly chose Emery (probably cap related, but still) and the Isles chose Nabokov. Both poor decisions, but whatever, they still happened. St. Louis and Edmonton seem like they might be the only viable trade options left. Maybe Tampa if we take back a bad contract? But yea, the suitors are rapidly disappearing.

 

Think Miller would accept a trade to Oilers or TB?

 

Doubt it.

[TrueBlueGED]

Think Miller would accept a trade to Oilers or TB?

 

Doubt it.

 

I do, actually, although I'm less confident about Tampa. I think he'd be okay with teams on the upswing. The only teams I can't imagine him going to are the ones just starting a rebuild or in the middle of one, but I could definitely see him accepting a trade to a team emerging from a rebuild. Calgary, Colorado and Florida (before you say anything JJ, I don't think their rebuild is close to finished) I think are definitely out. Other than that? I think a reasonable argument could be made for him being willing to go to any other team.

[beerme1]

Think Miller would accept a trade to Oilers or TB?

 

Doubt it.

I do, actually, although I'm less confident about Tampa. I think he'd be okay with teams on the upswing.

If these were my choices Tampa wins in a heartbeat. And the wife probably says ya ok honey as opposed to Edmonton. Really Ryan? Edmonton? WTF Baby? That's my wife though. I'm sure Ryan's actress wife would have no problem with Edmonton lol. She seems pretty cool but sorry Edmonton is probably on the NTC. I wonder why those eight teams haven't been leaked yet?

[Andrew Amerk]

 

If these were my choices Tampa wins in a heartbeat. And the wife probably says ya ok honey as opposed to Edmonton. Really Ryan? Edmonton? WTF Baby? That's my wife though. I'm sure Ryan's actress wife would have no problem with Edmonton lol. She seems pretty cool but sorry Edmonton is probably on the NTC. I wonder why those eight teams haven't been leaked yet?

 

I just doubt TB wants Miller, they seem content with Bishop and Lindback. What are they gonna do with one year of Miller, with those 2 in the wings? Doubt they'd resign him.

 

Plus, aren't they already close to their cap? What would we have to do, pay 5/6th of Millers salary for them?

[JJFIVEOH]

I'd be inclined to agree, except Philly chose Emery (probably cap related, but still) and the Isles chose Nabokov. Both poor decisions, but whatever, they still happened. St. Louis and Edmonton seem like they might be the only viable trade options left. Maybe Tampa if we take back a bad contract? But yea, the suitors are rapidly disappearing.

 

The nice thing about all that (not that I wish harm on anybody) is Emery's hip could he suspect and Nabokov isn't much younger than Thomas. You're right, the suitors are decreasing, and any possible suitors would most likely be after the season starts. What's better, take a lesser deal and trade Miller soon or wait and hope for a desperate trade partner? Tough choice.

 

Think Miller would accept a trade to Oilers or TB?

 

Doubt it.

 

Nobody knows for sure if Miller really wants out badly, but if he truly does want out of BFLO he may have to waive his clause after what has gone down the last week or so.

 

I do, actually, although I'm less confident about Tampa. I think he'd be okay with teams on the upswing. The only teams I can't imagine him going to are the ones just starting a rebuild or in the middle of one, but I could definitely see him accepting a trade to a team emerging from a rebuild. Calgary, Colorado and Florida (before you say anything JJ, I don't think their rebuild is close to finished) I think are definitely out. Other than that? I think a reasonable argument could be made for him being willing to go to any other team.

 

It's all good. I get a feeling Darcy would want prospects or current roster players in exchange for Miller. Tallon wouldn't go for that anyways.

[Bullwinkle III]

I'd be inclined to agree, except Philly chose Emery (probably cap related, but still) and the Isles chose Nabokov. Both poor decisions, but whatever, they still happened. St. Louis and Edmonton seem like they might be the only viable trade options left. Maybe Tampa if we take back a bad contract? But yea, the suitors are rapidly disappearing.

 

Which speaks to the high price Darcy is demanding for Miller - and I'm sure Vanek too.

 

I think that he needs to come down a little because he's approaching the time of diminishing returns. Miller's value will plummet by the trade deadline next year - unless a top team's goalie goes down.

[Trettioåtta]

You have the think someone out there would take Miller for $3 million and Vanek for $3.5 million. Apparently not though

[Weave]

You have the think someone out there would take Miller for $3 million and Vanek for $3.5 million. Apparently not though

 

The problem is, it isn't just $3M or $3.5M. It is the salary (or partial salary) plus the assets that they have to send Buffalo's way. With all of those FA tenders out there noone wants to give up assets for a goalie. This might be the worst offseason possible to try to move a good starting goaltender.

[Ross Rhea]

You have the think someone out there would take Miller for $3 million and Vanek for $3.5 million. Apparently not though

 

The only conclusion I can come up with, is that the rest of the league doesn't feel Miller is as good as Darcy portrays him. I don't think he is trying to trade Vanek.

 

Darcy seems to want the world and the every other GM is saying, no way that guy isn't that good to command that for a return. What else could it be? If Miller is this all world, top shelf elite goalie who is head and shoulders better than everybody else, Darcy surly would have had a dancing partner buy know, don't you think?

[bunomatic]

Which speaks to the high price Darcy is demanding for Miller - and I'm sure Vanek too.

 

I think that he needs to come down a little because he's approaching the time of diminishing returns. Miller's value will plummet by the trade deadline next year - unless a top team's goalie goes down.

 

He isn't approaching the time of diminishing returns he's already there otherwise he would have found an acceptable deal. Maybe you're right and he has found an acceptable deal and he's trying to squeeze that lemon for all its worth. Look at the Ott/Roy deal for example. Regier said that deal was in the works for a year. A year to trade one asset for another ? Just pull the trigger dammit. Gillis screwed himself in Van. by doing the same thing with Luongo. Torontos offer of a year ago wasn't that bad in hindsight.