shrader Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 The path this thread has taken is so mind numbingly stupid.
Andrew Amerk Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 How so? Unless the Sabres fused the marketing department with the front office people who make REAL hockey decisions... then I'm confused. People have a valid point if they'd rather see a Stanley Cup than a new 3rd jersey. What's confusing about that?
spndnchz Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 The path this thread has taken is so mind numbingly stupid. Maybe they just skate naked? Wait. That would sell out the F'NC and just be a money grab. Carry on.
LTS Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 In timely fashion... http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/9561234/uni-watch-power-rankings-rates-nfl-mlb-nba-nhl-uniforms-1-122 (I'm just going to stand back now).
spndnchz Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 In timely fashion... http://espn.go.com/s...-uniforms-1-122 (I'm just going to stand back now). ESPN SUCKS.
Stoner Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 The path this thread has taken is so mind numbingly stupid. It is now.
TrueBlueGED Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 It's called Bread and Circuses..... PA is correct. The town is in a tizzy because some dude is bringing the Cup back to his crib for the 2nd time in 4 years, while for the past 4 months, the lead headline on Sabres.com has been "Click here to see a construction crane in action!" Eleven is couth enough to be polite in pointing out the masses gobble up plastic coins. I just call it the Sabres shoveling gruel to the Rubes. The only dishonesty here is those usually putting on a positive spin to every joke of "progress" this franchise makes to protect their buddies in their offices or training rooms, or wherever. To me, this is nothing but having a $1500 display of Christmas Lights put up on a $7000 trailer on cinderblocks. It's only bread and Circuses if you think it's being done because the team is bad. In other words, you have to believe that if the team were good then they wouldn't be releasing a 3rd jersey. Otherwise, it's just business like everyone else is saying. And seriously, posting from a phone can go to hell.
spndnchz Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 It's only bread and Circuses if you think it's being done because the team is bad. In other words, you have to believe that if the team were good then they wouldn't be releasing a 3rd jersey. Otherwise, it's just business like everyone else is saying. And seriously, posting from a phone can go to hell. So any team that is good should not ever wear their third jersey ever again. You know like maybe Winter classic jerseys. .
dudacek Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 Can I be mildly interested in third jerseys and still think the team sucks? Aren't the Sabres themselves and our fascination with them the very definition of bread and circuses?
MattPie Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 Penguins ready for yet another third jersey, says Reebok Guess the Pittsburgh Penguins are ready to have an alternate sweater that didn't originate at the Winter Classic. At least that's what Reebok has slated for the 2013-14 season. The Pens were featured in the 2008 and 2011 outdoor games — with different blue jerseys each time. And the in seasons following each Winter Classic, the jerseys were adopted as alternates and used another dozen or so times per season. Now it looks like the latest (dark blue) one is getting retired this year in favor of a new design. I can't imagine we'll get another blue jersey or that Mario Lemieux's Penguins will do anything crazy and super modern. If I were to bet on it, I'd say they roll back the clock a couple of decades to sport something similar to what Lemieux and friends wore whilst leading the team to back-to-back Stanley Cups. But that's all just wishful guess work. It could be anything at this point. http://www.icethetics.info/blog/2013/1/16/nhl-jerseywatch-2013.html
darksabre Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 Penguins ready for yet another third jersey, says Reebok Guess the Pittsburgh Penguins are ready to have an alternate sweater that didn't originate at the Winter Classic. At least that's what Reebok has slated for the 2013-14 season. The Pens were featured in the 2008 and 2011 outdoor games — with different blue jerseys each time. And the in seasons following each Winter Classic, the jerseys were adopted as alternates and used another dozen or so times per season. Now it looks like the latest (dark blue) one is getting retired this year in favor of a new design. I can't imagine we'll get another blue jersey or that Mario Lemieux's Penguins will do anything crazy and super modern. If I were to bet on it, I'd say they roll back the clock a couple of decades to sport something similar to what Lemieux and friends wore whilst leading the team to back-to-back Stanley Cups. But that's all just wishful guess work. It could be anything at this point. http://www.icethetics.info/blog/2013/1/16/nhl-jerseywatch-2013.html Total money grab.
Weave Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 This thread stopped being entertaining about 5 pages ago. You folks have plumb run out of gas. I am disappoint.
spndnchz Posted August 23, 2013 Report Posted August 23, 2013 Penguins ready for yet another third jersey, says Reebok Guess the Pittsburgh Penguins are ready to have an alternate sweater that didn't originate at the Winter Classic. At least that's what Reebok has slated for the 2013-14 season. The Pens were featured in the 2008 and 2011 outdoor games — with different blue jerseys each time. And the in seasons following each Winter Classic, the jerseys were adopted as alternates and used another dozen or so times per season. Now it looks like the latest (dark blue) one is getting retired this year in favor of a new design. I can't imagine we'll get another blue jersey or that Mario Lemieux's Penguins will do anything crazy and super modern. If I were to bet on it, I'd say they roll back the clock a couple of decades to sport something similar to what Lemieux and friends wore whilst leading the team to back-to-back Stanley Cups. But that's all just wishful guess work. It could be anything at this point. http://www.icethetic...watch-2013.html So any team that is good should not ever wear their third jersey ever again. You know like maybe Winter classic jerseys. . Zing.
Robviously Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 If the slugs and Black Sunday were related, then so were the slugs and the President's Trophy. Next thing you're going to relate are the goatheads betraying team history being related to a no goal conspiracy. Regarding management, your point still falls flat. It's entirely possible that some executives are strong at certain aspects of the company and weak at others. Look at tech giants who promote lead engineers...the products might be great but the marketing could easily suck. Is there a meaningful relationship there? No. But by your logic, this scenario is nigh impossible. Bill Belichick isn't exactly a great media guy, but that doesn't reflect on his coaching ability. And on and on we go. Poor results in one segment does not necessitate failure in a completely different segment. Did I mention jersey quality is extremely subjective? And how many teams are amazing in the standings every year, regardless of jerseys? Hint: not many. No, because once again these are two separate issues. Great leadership and great engineering skills are two completely separate talents. Do you honestly think all great leaders just happen to be talented at all aspects of what their organization does? Of course not. But they know how to get the best out of the people they do have, they know how to find (and promote) the right people, and they know what is and isn't good enough. Leadership is the talent we're talking about and it permeates every part of an organization. As for the banana slugs and the Presidents Trophy, I don't think anyone -- including the Sabres -- thought the Sabres were post-lockout contenders. In retrospect, those two seasons were a happy accident helped along by rules changes (that have since been discarded). The slugs were the first sign that Sabres' brain trust may not have been all there. Botching the Briere and Drury contracts and being caught completely flat-footed in 2007's free agency was the culmination. Let me know when we recover. Also, let's stop talking about branding like it's an inconsequential afterthought. Major companies spend millions every year to cultivate their brand and image. And it's not a happenstance that the best companies have the best branding. That's the result of thoughtful leadership, vision, and a carefully executed strategy. I'll end with a quick illustration. Does this picture make you feel better or worse about the people running the Jacksonville Jaguars? http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/C3LcKX93iMVAIjCKkgLf_w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/d0423jj.jpg In timely fashion... http://espn.go.com/s...-uniforms-1-122 (I'm just going to stand back now). 70. Miami Dolphins 71. Buffalo Sabres Oh, the humanity. Angels are 38 and finally getting credit for 2002's instant classics. But they should be way higher. #37 is the Buccaneers?
Eleven Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 The path this thread has taken is so mind numbingly stupid. I'll give you one guess as to why.
Hoss Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Posted August 24, 2013 People have a valid point if they'd rather see a Stanley Cup than a new 3rd jersey. What's confusing about that? Oh, so you were joking. Gotcha.
Andrew Amerk Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Oh, so you were joking. Gotcha. Yes. You caught me. New jerseys are far more important than winning a Cup.
TrueBlueGED Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 No, because once again these are two separate issues. Great leadership and great engineering skills are two completely separate talents. Do you honestly think all great leaders just happen to be talented at all aspects of what their organization does? Of course not. But they know how to get the best out of the people they do have, they know how to find (and promote) the right people, and they know what is and isn't good enough. Leadership is the talent we're talking about and it permeates every part of an organization. As for the banana slugs and the Presidents Trophy, I don't think anyone -- including the Sabres -- thought the Sabres were post-lockout contenders. In retrospect, those two seasons were a happy accident helped along by rules changes (that have since been discarded). The slugs were the first sign that Sabres' brain trust may not have been all there. Botching the Briere and Drury contracts and being caught completely flat-footed in 2007's free agency was the culmination. Let me know when we recover. Also, let's stop talking about branding like it's an inconsequential afterthought. Major companies spend millions every year to cultivate their brand and image. And it's not a happenstance that the best companies have the best branding. That's the result of thoughtful leadership, vision, and a carefully executed strategy. I'll end with a quick illustration. Does this picture make you feel better or worse about the people running the Jacksonville Jaguars? http://l2.yimg.com/b...rts/d0423jj.jpg I never said branding was an inconsequential afterthought. I said bad branding is completely unrelated to the product itself. Movies can have terrible trailers while still being good movies, and vice versa. Gladiator is my favorite movie of all time, and won several major Oscars...and the trailers were decidedly mediocre. Certainly didn't look like an Academy Awards caliber movie. I don't like Regier, I think he should be fired, but I think a thought process of "OMG look how terrible those new jerseys are, no wonder Regier is around!" is absurd. And that Jags picture makes me feel the people responsible made terrible design decisions. It doesn't make me think they can't put a football team together (I don't think they can, but it has nothing to do with the jersey).
darksabre Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Yes. You caught me. New jerseys are far more important than winning a Cup. Why are we even comparing these two things? They're not even related.
carpandean Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 Yes. You caught me. New jerseys are far more important than winning a Cup. The Ducks released a whole new (terrible) jersey set in the same season that they won the Cup. The Blackhawks had two thirds in the seasons preceding their first (recent) Cup. Pittsburgh added their Winter Classic jersey the year before winning their Cup. LA changed their primaries (third became home, new away) in the season that they won the Cup. It wasn't a recent change (a few years old), but the Bruins managed to win their Cup with an awful third jersey.
Stoner Posted August 24, 2013 Report Posted August 24, 2013 I'll give you one guess as to why. Get over it. I'm with NS now, and we're happy. Total money grab. Nah, they just want their fans to be happy.
Hoss Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Posted August 24, 2013 Yes. You caught me. New jerseys are far more important than winning a Cup. Oh, so you're just refusing to understand what I meant in the first place. Got it. What I meant, which you know but are (for some reason) refusing to acknowledge, is that those people don't seem to realize that the creation of new jerseys and release of said jerseys has nothing to do/doesn't deter a chase for the cup... But thanks for playing. Why are we even comparing these two things? They're not even related. My original point ha
Robviously Posted August 25, 2013 Report Posted August 25, 2013 I never said branding was an inconsequential afterthought. I said bad branding is completely unrelated to the product itself. Movies can have terrible trailers while still being good movies, and vice versa. Gladiator is my favorite movie of all time, and won several major Oscars...and the trailers were decidedly mediocre. Certainly didn't look like an Academy Awards caliber movie. I don't like Regier, I think he should be fired, but I think a thought process of "OMG look how terrible those new jerseys are, no wonder Regier is around!" is absurd. And that Jags picture makes me feel the people responsible made terrible design decisions. It doesn't make me think they can't put a football team together (I don't think they can, but it has nothing to do with the jersey). My point is the opposite of the bold part: Bad branding can be related to the final quality of the product -- because ultimately the same people are in charge of both things. This is basically what I do for a living and I can tell you generally (not always) the good products come with good branding. The same people approve both. As for the Jags, the "people responsible" are the owner and team president. Creative agencies don't give final approval. Is it impossible to win if you can't get your uniforms right? No. But it's a statement about basic competence at the top of the organization. And FWIW the team does get other things right that do suggest they're well-run -- fan experience and even HarborCenter. But the idea that uniforms/branding don't mean anything is way off.
LGR4GM Posted August 25, 2013 Report Posted August 25, 2013 My point is the opposite of the bold part: Bad branding can be related to the final quality of the product -- because ultimately the same people are in charge of both things. This is basically what I do for a living and I can tell you generally (not always) the good products come with good branding. The same people approve both. As for the Jags, the "people responsible" are the owner and team president. Creative agencies don't give final approval. Is it impossible to win if you can't get your uniforms right? No. But it's a statement about basic competence at the top of the organization. And FWIW the team does get other things right that do suggest they're well-run -- fan experience and even HarborCenter. But the idea that uniforms/branding don't mean anything is way off. The Buffalo Sabres have some of the best name recognition and branding in the league. Our current jerseys have one of the best thought of logos in the entire league. The 3rd jersey means nothing. When they turn around and change the primaries including the logo, that reeks of incompetence. Creating a new 3rd jersey that may or may suck (WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT!) has nothing to do with the direction of this team. You want to see the direction of this team/franchise? Traded underachieving Zack Kassian for Cody Hodgson Used 2first round picks in 2012 on centers including trading up to take a kid who's work ethic is top of the hill (Girgensons) and a chance on a Russian who could be a superstar (Grigorenko) Fired their coach of 16years Traded Jordan Leopold, Robyn Regehr, and JASON POMINIVLLE at the deadline to acquire picks and prospects including another hard working C/LW and another top goalie prospect. Used 2 first round draft picks in 2013 to take a big physical Finnish defender (Ristolainen) and then turned around and took another hulking defender with a mean strike (Zadorov will eat you) Yup all of those moves in the last year show me that creating this 3rd jersey is another sign of incompetence... o wait... no it doesn't because it means absolutely DICK.
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