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Because correlation itself is important. You look at one thing to get a feel for how other things will turn out.

 

You can look at a student's high school grades to get an idea of how they'll do in college. Correlation, not causation, but still relevant information.

 

This is why we should take notice if the Sabres are about to crap out another uniform debacle. You get some insight into the team's other bad decisions like, say, the GM who apparently has never done anything wrong in his time here. Maybe the guys running this team are a little bit out of it.

 

Except that it's the same student, so the correlation has meaning. The guys coming up with the uniforms are not the guys primarily responsible for hockey operations, so that correlation is useless. But hey, keep making nonsensical points if you want.

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I'm for the idea that "a good team starts with a good look."

 

BUT, I can't stand when people sit there and say "how about a new Stanley Cup instead?" or something along those lines.

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I'm for the idea that "a good team starts with a good look."

 

BUT, I can't stand when people sit there and say "how about a new Stanley Cup instead?" or something along those lines.

 

Hate to break it to ya, but those people have a point.

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Terry didn't care about making money. Terry allows ANOTHER tweaking of the uniform. Terry guides a rebuild that has the Sabres near the bottom in cap hit. Funny.

 

Ok, let's take a look at the opposite side of the "Pegula bad" approach.

 

Others can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the most recent third only supposed to be for the 40th anniversary season and brought forward by LQ/OSP? Unless the Sabres didn't want to have a 3rd jersey going forward we always knew this one was coming. I don't put that on a Pegula money grab.

 

Pegula tried the throwing money at guys approach and even then couldn't get the very top guys to come here. If they were successful in bringing in a Suter, Parise or Richards then I think you'd still see them going down that road. All the fancy locker room amenities and big dollar offers won't change the perception of Buffalo league wide. Only winning will. I don't see a better option than the rebuild at this point.

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I'm for the idea that "a good team starts with a good look."

 

Sorry, but this came to mind:

 

 

I understand your point, but by positing 'how could they get (insert hockey stuff) right if they can't first get (insert marketing stuff) right' you imply that success with (marketing stuff) is a requisite for success of (hockey stuff). But we both know that's not true.

 

So if you illustrate that your point is merely correlation and there's no causal connection between (marketing stuff) and (hockey stuff), why even make an argument?

 

There's a correlation between teams that wear red and winning percentage. (And I'm pretty sure no causal link has been established yet...?) I could make some argument that if we changed back to red jerseys that I would feel better about our chances of winning.

 

But I wouldn't do that because that's stupid.

 

 

Are you conveniently forgetting that the guy ultimately (and maybe primarily) responsible for marketing also clearly has a say in hockey operations? If Ted can't roll out a decent uniform, doesn't it make his hockey side contributions necessarily suspect? "Oh, the mustard stain on the sleeve is a nice nod to the average Joe fan; Darcy's doin' a heckuva job, Terry."

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Ok, let's take a look at the opposite side of the "Pegula bad" approach.

 

Others can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the most recent third only supposed to be for the 40th anniversary season and brought forward by LQ/OSP? Unless the Sabres didn't want to have a 3rd jersey going forward we always knew this one was coming. I don't put that on a Pegula money grab.

 

Pegula tried the throwing money at guys approach and even then couldn't get the very top guys to come here. If they were successful in bringing in a Suter, Parise or Richards then I think you'd still see them going down that road. All the fancy locker room amenities and big dollar offers won't change the perception of Buffalo league wide. Only winning will. I don't see a better option than the rebuild at this point.

 

Are they putting out a third jersey just to give the fans a treat (let us thank you for enduring the lockout by giving you the privilege of buying slightly less marked up overpriced merchandise)? Come on, let's not be naive, it's a money grab, just like the lockout thank you and the record ticket price increases.

 

Re: free agents. What I think agents and players see more than anything in Buffalo is a noobie, meddling owner and a weasel GM who's been here the better part of two decades. Winning? Better be a generational player on board and an imminent Cup. I mean, even a monkey hammering on a cell phone can text out a first-round playoff win every seven years.

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Are they putting out a third jersey just to give the fans a treat (let us thank you for enduring the lockout by giving you the privilege of buying slightly less marked up overpriced merchandise)? Come on, let's not be naive, it's a money grab, just like the lockout thank you and the record ticket price increases.

 

Re: free agents. What I think agents and players see more than anything in Buffalo is a noobie, meddling owner and a weasel GM who's been here the better part of two decades. Winning? Better be a generational player on board and an imminent Cup. I mean, even a monkey hammering on a cell phone can text out a first-round playoff win every seven years.

 

FA's care about money, they aren't obsessed with the owner like you are. If the money is equal or close they look to secondary factors like quality of life how their family fits into the area. Older FA's put a bigger emphasis on winning a Cup.

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Are they putting out a third jersey just to give the fans a treat (let us thank you for enduring the lockout by giving you the privilege of buying slightly less marked up overpriced merchandise)? Come on, let's not be naive, it's a money grab, just like the lockout thank you and the record ticket price increases.

 

Pretty much. With all the complaining going on now about how they are handling the unveil don't you think it would be worse if they announced they weren't going to do a third jersey at all? Don't the majority of the teams have a third jersey?

 

 

Re: free agents. What I think agents and players see more than anything in Buffalo is a noobie, meddling owner and a weasel GM who's been here the better part of two decades. Winning? Better be a generational player on board and an imminent Cup. I mean, even a monkey hammering on a cell phone can text out a first-round playoff win every seven years.

 

Here's the problem. The Sabres have never had a universally regarded Cup contending team and a deep pocketed owner at the same time. When and if they do there is no doubt in my mind that they will enter the big fish FA frenzy once again and be more successful. You probably have a point in having a long tenured, mostly unsuccessful GM influencing perception league wide. The owner, meddling or otherwise, has zero influence IMO as long as he's stroking huge checks.

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New England.

 

Lakers.

 

Penguins (think 1990s).

 

Remember, just because you've gotten used to the look doesn't mean it's a good look.

 

The Sabres' recent successes came with hideous sweaters. The clothing really doesn't matter.

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Isn't it fun!

 

What would be really fun would be something totally unexpected, as in the sneek peaks on Twitter turning out to be total fabrications.

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What would be really fun would be something totally unexpected, as in the sneek peaks on Twitter turning out to be total fabrications.

 

Ha, imagine the backlash on that one. "Ok fans, we've totally been screwing with you, there is no third jersey."

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What would be really fun would be something totally unexpected, as in the sneek peaks on Twitter turning out to be total fabrications.

 

:lol: please let it happen

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Are you conveniently forgetting that the guy ultimately (and maybe primarily) responsible for marketing also clearly has a say in hockey operations? If Ted can't roll out a decent uniform, doesn't it make his hockey side contributions necessarily suspect? "Oh, the mustard stain on the sleeve is a nice nod to the average Joe fan; Darcy's doin' a heckuva job, Terry."

 

If you can make that connection, then it stands to reason that Pegula will be a good hockey owner because he was a good gas drilling company owner. Apples, meet oranges.

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My take on this is that you can have the players wear sweaters that are puke green and have an emblem that looks like a baboon's a$$ as long as the team plays well and wins some games... (In fact, maybe that's an idea whose time has come - with all the zombie movies/TV shows, how about a jersey that looks all rotted and covered with bodily slime? If we can't beat the opposing team, maybe we can at least give them a good scare. "Terry Pegula presents The Skating Dead")

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Haven't seen the jersey yet (duh), but depending on how busy that is, these letters could make it moreso. Or maybe it'll be sweet. The letters by themselves are nice.

 

To me, it implies that the shoulder area where these will be sown will be blue. I don't think there's enough contrast or large enough border for that part of the jersey to be gold. I'm thinking blue sleeves and shoulders, gold from the pits down. Kinda like the Bills 2002-2010 jersey, but with blue sleeves.

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